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amysusanne
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's kind of the fandom version of a Page Six "blind item." Guess who it is!


I love it! It sort of makes me sad when some of the anons are clearly the same person, though. It's like they're not even trying.

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I'm always torn on looking in the comments because it can be entertaining wankage, but people also love to drop spoilers in them too.


I know you have experience there, so you see it as well as I do, but Alan's pretty good about removing the spoiler nonsense from the regular episode threads. I'm not a total spoilerphobe, but I'm being better this season about certain shows and the couple of times I've seen someone drop a bomb it's been gone by the time I refreshed. Still, avoiding the review and article threads is good because, yeah, spoilers happen there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photos from the 100th episode party are starting to come in. You can find one batch here and I'm sure there will be more.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where else to put this -- there isn't enough merchandising to call for a thread on that alone...

Just got an e-mail from Borders. The entire stock of 2009 calendars is on sale for $4 each through February 7. The sale is in-store only (plus the website is out of the House calendar) but, if you live near a Borders, you might want to check it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really don't think her gripes with House centers solely around 13, its been clear for sometime that she's got far bigger issues with the show & also that she's sharply curtailing her investment of time in it - I don't think she ran a single article about House during the recent TCA press junket.


Reading her review of Lie To Me, it's as much about House as Lie To Me, which should probably concern the LTM PTB as much as the House ones. She's going through something with House that is really emotional for her, because some of those jabs were odd, such as "So far, the character appears to be about as cynical as Gregory House, but Lightman is given some depth and ambiguity by Roth, who is an intrinsically interesting performer." She's gone quite far from her reviews earlier this season where House, despite its current issues, is still the best show on TV to Hugh has given House no depth or ambiguity and is not an intrinsically interesting performer. And she goes from there to saying that the characters that irritate her on LTM seem to have been drawn from House's stock characters. She's so angry with House she's taking potshots at every possible opportunity, which doesn't suggest disinterest to me.

At any rate, her hope that Lie To Me will be the new complex ethics oriented hit that shows what crap House is may be on a little shaky ground. Most critics are saying that Tim Roth is a compelling lead (and I agree) but the surrounding characters are overdrawn and the story at least in the pilot fairly lightweight. No one's down on it but most reviews are a bit tepid. It will be interesting to see how Mo tracks on it. I adore Tim Roth, so I'm happy for both shows to do well. But I wasn't overly grabbed by the pilot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Namaste wrote:
Photos from the 100th episode party are starting to come in. You can find one batch here and I'm sure there will be more.


More here (with a couple of duplicates).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And of course no RSL. His avoidance of the press is kind of annoying at times. I'm beginning to suspect that he actually has a much bigger role in the show but most of the time he just doesn't show up. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! It looks like Omar trimmed the goatee.

Please. Please make it so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal's not there either. And Omar, would it hurt to smile just once?

ETA: And why are those shirts only available in the US? Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry. Marykir already answered that question.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think M.Ryan's issues with the show definitely go deeper than becoming bored with it, or any specific plot line complaints. After so long of singing HL's praises, now criticisms of him and his performance are cropping up in other reviews. Ryan has gone from being a huge fan of the show to being almost spiteful very quickly. She's reacting not like someone who is part of a mutual breakup, but more like a jilted lover. I think there is a backstory here that we don't know about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think M.Ryan's issues with the show definitely go deeper than becoming bored with it, or any specific plot line complaints. After so long of singing HL's praises, now criticisms of him and his performance are cropping up in other reviews.

I've never heard Mo Ryan say a negative thing about HL. Can you please tell me who -- outside of the British tabloids -- have? Even the reviewers who have been negative on other things still praise HL.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted a bit upthread a bit from Mo's review of Lie To Me, where she says "So far, the character appears to be about as cynical as Gregory House, but Lightman is given some depth and ambiguity by Roth, who is an intrinsically interesting performer." I think the presence of the "but" there suggests that she finds that Hugh is not giving House depth or ambiguity, and further, that the ending description of Roth is meant to suggest that this is another contrast, even if she doesn't out and out say it. The entire review takes one potshot after another at House, and to me, it does seem very emotional. It reminds me of the time Lisa de Moraes (sp?) wrote about the Emmy after party Hugh Laurie played, and was obviously very pissed at Hugh for something, which she didn't mention but instead took potshot after potshot, from describing his walk as shuffling to saying she was tired of him to wondering why he was at the party anyway, since he wasn't nominated to accusing a later poster who asked who she found to be nice of being a Hugh Laurie fan digging for a compliment. Clearly, some backstory there, and one that has faded with time. Lisa de M still likes and watches House.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jair wrote:
because some of those jabs were odd, such as "So far, the character appears to be about as cynical as Gregory House, but Lightman is given some depth and ambiguity by Roth, who is an intrinsically interesting performer."


I didn't read this as any kind of dig at House or HL - I think she's just noting a similarity between these two procedurals on the same network and then branching off (somewhat clumsily) to discuss Roth from there. I didn't take it to mean she believes House and HL are definitely not those things.

As for "backstory" and "jilted lover" - I don't know, that seems a bit far. She just seems like she's disenchanted with the show and its more recent changes, and that this is manifesting itself in a little hyperbole in her criticism. Nothing covert about that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the "but" implies contrast with House in terms of depth and ambiguity, not similarity. And while I think Mo has every right to have a negative reaction to the show, it seems rather odd to use a review of Lie To Me to make several digs at House, with the one at Hugh Laurie being really odd. Actually, I thought the stock character one was odd, too. Has anyone, including Mo, been accusing House of being a byword in the press for using stock characters on the show? Even the Thirteen criticism has been aimed at the actress not pulling off a complex part. Are Kutner and Taub stock characters? Or is it the POTW who are stock characters? Amber? I thought it was an odd reference, because it seemed to imply that House was well known for dragging the show down with stock characters.
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It doesn't seem odd to me at all, to compare and contrast "House". It's common practice for critics to take a show that is similar in tone (and it's not an original thought to consider the central characters of LTM and "House" to be similar to each other) and criticise it for being a copy cat or making a point of separating it from an unfair comparison. While she's clearly unhappy with the show and certain aspects of the show, she wasn't criticising the character of House or Hugh Laurie's acting, she was praising Tim Roth for making his character more than just a paper thin copy of one aspect of House's personality.

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Even the Thirteen criticism has been aimed at the actress not pulling off a complex part.


Actually, that's not true. One portion of the criticism is directed towards Olivia Wilde. Quite a few people *like* OW and dislike the melodrama of thirteen. Others are meh on OW, but believe thirteen isn't a well drawn character. There are varying criticisms towards what's going on there and not all of them are aimed at OW.

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Are Kutner and Taub stock characters? Or is it the POTW who are stock characters? Amber?


I think she's pretty clearly comparing them to the ducklings as an individual entity. In the beginning people complained, both folks who still dislike the newbies and folks who have grown to enjoy some of them, that thirteen, Taub and Kutner were just placeholders for Cameron, Foreman and Chase. She's saying "stock characters" in the same way you might refer to them as cookie cutter characters, which they essentially were when we first met them. YMMV now (I think they've done a decent job of distinguishing all three from the previous trio), but that's what that means. When the show "Shark" came on, his minions were described in exactly the same way, as "rip offs" of the ducklings model.

edited to fix second point and, again, to clarify edit. Smile


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