Cammy wouldn't want to hurt House....
I don't get that. I think an angry/scorned Cameron would want to hurt House very much and would be very determined to carry it off. Look how angry and pissy she was at Chase about ruining her little sex party--and she is the one who dumped and scorned him. Whatever happened to split them up she (along with everyone else) would blame on House and seeing some of the things her "insane moral conscience" has driven or allowed her to do to other people--like patients--I don't see her drawing the line at not wanting to hurt House. I see it as being more the other way--House would imo be more reluctant to hurt Cameron that she would be to hurt him. Maybe she wouldn't have the same kind of awareness House would--she's apt to be blinded by her emotions which he isn't--which might explain why she would be more likely to hurt him than vice versa. Her actions might be less consciously deliberate than his but the motivation behind them would still be to hurt him.
Is it wrong that I think lacking the ability to hurt him would diminish her appeal to House anyway?
She knows that everyone would automatically blame House and she wouldn't have to take any.ITA--and that is soooo unfair. You know House would have given her plenty of warning about what could happen if they got involved (obviously at the point she should already know) and if she chose to do it anyway and got hurt, people should see it was partly her own fault but of course they wouldn't. It would be all big bad House against sweet innocent little Cammie. Which would give her a huge free pass to extract the pound of flesh I at least would see her as requiring. She may look compassionate but she acts vengeful.
bailey- 08-30-2007
I like House/Cameron. Just a little. :oops: And only when in certain moods. I like it because it's a damned train wreck. It's just so... painful to watch onscreen and that's the way I like it. Yes, I may be sick. I like it because the H/Cam moments are often ones where we get to see House pushed to emotional extremes. I love watching him try to deal with Cameron's touchy-feelyness.
Here is where I agree. I found House at his most interesting in season one--partly because we were just beginning to know him but partly because as we were getting to know him we saw him actually uncomfortable. Deliciously, dramatically uncomfortable in trying to connect with his emotions. Much, but not all, of that was do to his interactions with Cameron with whom he often has diametrically opposite reactions of.
I certainly don't need to see them as an overtly romantic pair--mainly for the reasons that Poeia says: that things with House could only end badly and then there's nothing left for the other character to do.
Ultimately, I'm pretty sure I want House to remain alone because I'm not interested in seeing him just chew through a regular cast member which is what an actual romantic attachment would entail. But there is, however, a dynamic between House and Cameron that is an interesting one and one, it seems, they've decided to abandon. And that's pretty much what made the last half of season 3 start to slide downhill for me. I never saw House in that same uncomfortable, emotionally vulnerable kind of way. Cuddy got a lot of ramped up exposure and what I get out of their interactions is one of comfort and the fact that they apparently know each other so well. Which may be true and may be fine but it's certainly not very interesting. I want to know what provokes House and what pushes his buttons. I dislike watching him walk all over Cuddy in a pair of comfortable track shoes.
blacktop- 08-30-2007
Responding to an earlier comment about how would a House/Cameron relationship end, I wonder if it might be more likely one that just peters out at the mutual agreement of both parties.
Like many others, I enjoy imagining the explosion and trainwreck that would seem to be inevitable in any House/Cam pairing. During all of season 3 and most of season 2, he has seemed downright angry and repelled by her behaviors and even her presence: he sneered at almost every statement she made during a DDX and of course he seemed smirkingly pleased when Cam/Chase took off.
But I could also imagine a brief, fiercely physical affair between Cameron and House which would conclude with both of them agreeing to stay far apart but not enter into an actual take-no-prisoners war.
We don't know the circumstances that prompted House to not pursue his affair with Cuddy (or maybe it was she who called it off) but they continue to work productively together, continue to show strong sexual attraction, as well as deep and mutual emotional and intellectual involvement.
You could also argue that House was not really able to let go of Stacy: his attraction to her on all levels was palpable.
Perhaps this twisty, volatile thing he has with Cuddy would be the model for how a relationship with Cameron might end, not with a bang but with a whisper of future possibilities.
arizonamyrie- 08-30-2007
...when it inevitably ended she would come out like the victim no matter what and she knows it. She knows that everyone would automatically blame House and she wouldn't have to take any.
I agree. I also see where the story is told more from House's standpoint, so it would have to be told where Cameron is unjustly made the victim, but House is the one hurt and Wilson/Cuddy have to pick up the pieces. Which makes Cameron into the villain in the eyes of the audience. But, I don't think that she would intentionally do anything to hurt him - if/when she did it would consist of her trying to be too careful about something, and that in turn would be their downfall. Care works for many people, just not Greg House.
I think an angry/scorned Cameron would want to hurt House very much and would be very determined to carry it off.
And that is something I failed to take into consideration. The "Happy" Cameron wouldn't want to hurt him - the one that would want to save the relationship, the one that would want to "heal" him, and everything else. But that's the Cameron that would inevitably cause the rift and their downfall.
310Daisy- 08-30-2007
I can't help going on record as saying that a House/Cameron romance is the single only thing that I simply could not watch. First of all, I simply do not see any chemistry between the two of them - only forced "moments" which, I think, are meant to convey chemistry - and regardless of how it ends or if it's a trainwreck, it still oozes Beauty-and-the-Beast fairytale-romance to me, and such a storyline (whether the relationship works or not) is such a predictable and commonplace cliche that I'd be terribly disappointed. Secondly, I really don't think JM is a very good actress and I'm not all that interested in Cameron anymore. Just my two cents.
blue- 08-31-2007
First of all, I simply do not see any chemistry between the two of them - only forced "moments" which, I think, are meant to convey chemistry - and regardless of how it ends or if it's a trainwreck, it still oozes Beauty-and-the-Beast fairytale-romance to me, and such a storyline (whether the relationship works or not) is such a predictable and commonplace cliche that I'd be terribly disappointed.
I understand if the pairing isn't for you (and, actually, I'm anti-ship for House), but where does the 'fairytale romance' thing come from? I don't think I've seen any indication in the show (from any season) that House/Cam would be anything other than a painful, miserable disaster for all involved. Is it because she's 'pretty' and he's 'grouchy'? Is that what makes it a romantic cliche?
saara_zaara- 08-31-2007
'fairytale romance' thing
JMO that's a fanon projection, which (rightly? :lol: ) terrifies many of us. Plus I have no evidence that House either can be or wants to be "healed by Cameron's love". Sex is one thing, emotional connection is another (& I though House & Stacy had that in spades), H/Cam would be a train wreck waiting to happen to my mind - for starters, what on earth would they talk about? (admittedly I have this problem with Ch/Cam too, but that's more to do with my perception that Cameron's an incredibly boring individual).
I think an angry/scorned Cameron would want to hurt House very much and would be very determined to carry it off.
ITA & we've already seen evidence of this in how she treats Chase with a lot less provocation (& ditto re her patients, Jeff, Ezra etc). Would I enjoy seen that? Maybe - in a kinda masochistic way to prove just how correct my awful opinion of Cameron. And much as I dislike JMo's performance as a whole, I have no doubt that she'd play Cameron angry & victimized (true or not) to the hilt.
LogicalLilly- 08-31-2007
Here is where I agree. I found House at his most interesting in season one--partly because we were just beginning to know him but partly because as we were getting to know him we saw him actually uncomfortable. Deliciously, dramatically uncomfortable in trying to connect with his emotions. Much, but not all, of that was do to his interactions with Cameron with whom he often has diametrically opposite reactions of. Bailey, I also liked those occasional moments from Season 1 when House appeared uncomfortable and unbalanced around Cameron. The scene when he asked her to the Monster Truck thing was nicely done by Hugh Laurie. He was also becoming flustered in the "Are you comparing me to God?" scene, before he was gratefully distracted. There are several moments like this in Season 1, which is probably why many people boarded that ship to begin with. His usual response to those uncomfortable moments was to simply walk away from her.
She toughened up so much (too much) this past season and, as Bailey said, that House/Cameron dynamic was abandoned. I can't decide whether House appreciates the tougher version of Cameron or not. He told her he was proud of her in "Informed Consent," but I wonder if House's reaction would have been as sweet if Cameron had been sitting there defiantly defending what she had done. In the infamous kiss scene, he seemed to be glad to see the old, emotional Cameron as she went from "I'm looking for another job..." to "I don't want to be here if you're not here."
I think a House/Cameron relationship could be very interesting, and would certainly be as entertaining as it would be short-lived. She could never push House around as she did Chase, but I feel as if she would enjoy the challenge.
These two characters have a long way to go before they could possibly be paired up, and while I don't ship them, I wouldn't object to seeing what would happen if TPTB led up to it gradually and convincingly. And NO sex in closets, etc.!!!
bailey- 08-31-2007
And NO sex in closets, etc.!!!
Yes, I really hope that TPTB have gotten that ridiculous plot point out of their systems. I don't care who's shagging who--please keep it out of the hospital closets and sick patients homes.
Welcome LogicalLilly, btw.
extra_cat- 08-31-2007
First of all, great big "Welcome Home" to LogicalLilly.
I can't help going on record as saying that a House/Cameron romance is the single only thing that I simply could not watch. First of all, I simply do not see any chemistry between the two of them - only forced "moments" which, I think, are meant to convey chemistry - and regardless of how it ends or if it's a trainwreck, it still oozes Beauty-and-the-Beast fairytale-romance to me, and such a storyline (whether the relationship works or not) is such a predictable and commonplace cliche that I'd be terribly disappointed. Secondly, I really don't think JM is a very good actress and I'm not all that interested in Cameron anymore. Just my two cents.
What she said. I find these contrived House/Cameron moments PAINFUL to watch. I think JM seems like a really sweet girl, but she's just not that great of an actress and she's so below Hugh's level that it just doesn't work. I sometimes think the only thing that made Chase/Cameron look almost believable was that their real life chemistry was coming through (because Jesse can act circles around Jennifer too).
galaxygirl- 08-31-2007
I can't help going on record as saying that a House/Cameron romance is the single only thing that I simply could not watch. First of all, I simply do not see any chemistry between the two of them - only forced "moments" which, I think, are meant to convey chemistry - and regardless of how it ends or if it's a trainwreck, it still oozes Beauty-and-the-Beast fairytale-romance to me, and such a storyline (whether the relationship works or not) is such a predictable and commonplace cliche that I'd be terribly disappointed. Secondly, I really don't think JM is a very good actress and I'm not all that interested in Cameron anymore. Just my two cents.
Absolutely agree with this whole post 310Daisy. This might be the only thing that can drive me away from the show, apart from RSL leaving.
Lully- 08-31-2007
I can't help going on record as saying that a House/Cameron romance is the single only thing that I simply could not watch. First of all, I simply do not see any chemistry between the two of them - only forced "moments" which, I think, are meant to convey chemistry - and regardless of how it ends or if it's a trainwreck, it still oozes Beauty-and-the-Beast fairytale-romance to me, and such a storyline (whether the relationship works or not) is such a predictable and commonplace cliche that I'd be terribly disappointed. Secondly, I really don't think JM is a very good actress and I'm not all that interested in Cameron anymore.
WORD 310Daisy. I don't have any interest in watch that kind of trainwreck. After 3 seasons it didn't work, it was painful to watch, it was cliche. If it's necessary, let Cameron has a storyline that do not revolve around her romantic feelings about somebody.
Is it because she's 'pretty' and he's 'grouchy'? Is that what makes it a romantic cliche?
Yes, among other things. It's a cliche that pretty much all kinds of tv shows and movies like to present. It's predictable and boring, specially if the two character don't have any kind of chemistry. JMO, of course!
extra_cat- 08-31-2007
The cliche is the pretty, sweet girl saving the grouchy, tough man with her love; and, thus, bringing out his inner fuzzy pink bunny. And I don't think many of us really want to see House's inner bunny. At least, I don't.
Ranee- 08-31-2007
his inner fuzzy pink bunny
1) IMO House's doesn't have one (bunny maybe, but not pink & fuzzy)
2) that won't stop Cameron from a) believing its there or b) going rabbit hunting.
:w00t:
Result - severe hunting accident :lol: (sorry, too much sugar - at least that's my excuse, I hope snark won't get me banned?)
LogicalLilly- 09-01-2007
The cliche is the pretty, sweet girl saving the grouchy, tough man with her love; and, thus, bringing out his inner fuzzy pink bunny. And I don't think many of us really want to see House's inner bunny. At least, I don't.Bailey and extra_cat, thanks for the warm welcome. It's nice to be here with you guys.
extra_cat, as much as TPTB disappointed me this past year, there's one thing I am sure of: House will never have an inner fuzzy pink bunny. House's inner beast won't be tamed for Belle, Mary Poppins, or the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future, and he certainly wouldn't change for Cameron or Cuddy.
I know I've said it before, but I'd be quite happy with House if he simply returned to his Season One level of snarkiness, because I really liked that guy.