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Dru- 09-06-2007

I don't think I agree with that, because it's too close to the slippery slope of saying: I don't agree with canon, therefore I'm changing it. Yup that's what I say. That's what fanfic is for IMO. The show screws up, kills off your favorite character, abuses the characters you like, doesn't get together the pairing you like, whatever. So you shrug say "Eh someone will fix that in fic." and watch the rest of the show without your blood pressure shooting though the roof. That's what fanfic is for. To say "Screw canon! I'll fix it myself!"

Jouse- 09-06-2007

I have a love/hate relationship with canon. With this particular show, I don't think I can watch without the fanon cushioning the ride. But I would have no interest in fanon without the canon, the former derives from the latter, it provides the subtext, which is fueling my hope h/w might happen and allows me to read various smutty scenarios on how it might go. So I can't ignore it, although sometimes I wish I could *coughAB-ODOR-FPcough*) There are a lot of people around who say "Ewww! Het!" Very refreshing, considering RL and canon is ridiculously hetero-advocating. And that's why slash was formed to begin with. You don't have to be a H/W shipper to be repulsed by H/Cam fics. I found H/Cam repulsive before I even got into the House community and knew there was a House/Wilson ship. I find bad!fic of all sorts repulsive -- and I've seen plenty of bad H/W fics too. I think we are confusing two issues here. One is bad!fic, that may or may not be especially common with a certain ship, and the other is the very idea of that ship. I've never read a Ham fic in my life, for the very notion of it terrifies me. Re: Evil!exes and poor!Wilson or House - I haven't seen it done around LJ and I've read almost every H/W. Is it common in the pit? Anyway, that's just taking the gist out of the ship, for me. The whole point is how fucked up those two men are, their flaws when it comes to relationships is part of what makes them interesting and delightful to follow, both in canon and fic. *sigh* TL;DR

lovelythings- 09-06-2007

Very refreshing, considering RL and canon is ridiculously hetero-advocating. And that's why slash was formed to begin with. Seriously, not that refreshing. Let's be tolerant, shall we? Everybody deserves a fighting chance at having hot sex.

zulu- 09-06-2007

I think we are confusing two issues here. One is bad!fic, that may or may not be especially common with a certain ship, and the other is the very idea of that ship. I've never read a Ham fic in my life, for the very notion of it terrifies me. While I recognize that this is a common attitude, it really depresses me. I mean, hey, multishipper here, and guess what? I don't love House/Wilson any less just because I like House/Cuddy just as much. I even have room in my heart for my rarepairs, House/Foreman and Cuddy girlslash. You might all be shocked to learn this--take a seat, make sure you've had your stroke medicine--but there is good House/Cameron out there. I have read it! And it saddens me when people close themselves off to that, when they deny even the possibility. You don't have to read it, of course. But could you acknowledge that other writers with different shipping leanings might actually be just as talented as the authors you adore? That they're just as capable of tugging at the heartstrings, making people laugh, and writing stuff that's memorable? Obviously this post will not change anyone's mind. But I think I'll go over to the rec thread and try to make the poor House/Cameron writers heard.

saara_zaara- 09-06-2007

I have a love/hate relationship with canon. Me too. Particularly for this show, but generally my ambivalence is highest with the shows that have the most teasing attitude or down right sloppy attitude to canon. And House really takes the cake for me on that one. House fic seems to hold very closely to PPTH & its environs. There's not much road trip fic, or Chase goes to Oz, and particular any of them at medical conferences type stuff. House excepted, of course, but that last one surprises me.

Paraoptomistic- 09-06-2007

You might all be shocked to learn this--take a seat, make sure you've had your stroke medicine--but there is good House/Cameron out there. I have read it! And it saddens me when people close themselves off to that, when they deny even the possibility. You don't have to read it, of course. But could you acknowledge that other writers with different shipping leanings might actually be just as talented as the authors you adore? That they're just as capable of tugging at the heartstrings, making people laugh, and writing stuff that's memorable? Obviously this post will not change anyone's mind. But I think I'll go over to the rec thread and try to make the poor House/Cameron writers heard. I fully believe that is true, however, being a person of limited shipping, if I know that a rec has a pairing I'm not particularly interested in, I would be less likely to read it. Again, it depends on who is making the rec and my knowledge of the author. I like House/Wilson mostly, but I have read House/Cameron and enjoyed it pretty well when it was written by someone who I knew was a good writer from other stuff that I read. Am I missing some good stuff by being afraid to take a chance? Probably so, but I spend too much time online as it is! :lol:

Ranee- 09-06-2007

You don't have to read it, of course. But could you acknowledge that other writers with different shipping leanings might actually be just as talented as the authors you adore? That they're just as capable of tugging at the heartstrings, making people laugh, and writing stuff that's memorable? I don't think anyone ever suggested otherwise, so I'm not sure why the need for this particular acknowldgement? Did I miss something? The deeper issue seems to be that certan segments are simply not going to read particular pairings, so unfortunately the ability to make that acknowledgement simply exists in the abstract. I'm sure there are very talented writers for all ships; I'm sure there are also non-talented writers. But since I read for pleasure & not as a critic my basis (& I assume others) to do so is necesarily limited since I only read around subjects I like. Do I acknowedge that there are authors that others like that I don't - yes, of course, but I don't think that's got anything to do with who they ship, its got more to do with whether or not I enjoy their ideas.

extra_cat- 09-06-2007

House fic seems to hold very closely to PPTH & its environs. There's not much road trip fic, or Chase goes to Oz, and particular any of them at medical conferences type stuff. House excepted, of course, but that last one surprises me. So, are you saying there should be more roadtrips and conferences or fewer? :lol:

saara_zaara- 09-06-2007

More conference fic. I mean, its a bit odd isn't it, even in canon. Most docs I know re always off gallivanting to give papers & schmooze & continuing education & what have you. Its rarely mentioned on the show (s1 was the exception) & even more rarely in fic.

fffaw- 09-06-2007

Ooh, I recall a couple of very good conference fics! House is at a conference in Vegas in nightdog's A Button, A Feather, A Grain of Sand As You Aren't by Topaz Eyes is set at a conference. Then there's thedeadparrot's Singapore and the remix by deelaundry There's a few more here and there. Granted, the conference may not be the main focus, but... ETA: nightdog's brilliant Welcome To Wherever You Are starts out with Wilson at a conference too.

Taiga- 09-06-2007

Quick question: Why is it fanon that House makes Wilson pay for every single meal they eat together? We've seen him stiff Wilson for the bill what, once?

arizonamyrie- 09-06-2007

Well, the times that House has either fed or watered Wilson, there was a catch. And we see how often he steals Wilson's food.

Poeia- 09-06-2007

Quick question: Why is it fanon that House makes Wilson pay for every single meal they eat together? We've seen him stiff Wilson for the bill what, once? Taiga, I've often wondered the same thing. And not just meals -- in fics Wilson seems to support House 100% except for music-related purchases. But the only other thing I can think of that Wilson paid for was the flame cane. And, if Wilson were used to constantly paying, why would House's borrowing the money for the bike have been noteworthy?

blackmare- 09-06-2007

$5 here and there for lunches? Not noteworthy. A $5000 loan? Definitely noteworthy. My pet fanon!Wilson gripe is SHOW TUNES. Why is it that whenever someone mentions Wilson's supposed taste in music, they have him as a fan of show tunes? Is it just a fanon thing that's supposed to prove that Wilson is Teh Gay? And isn't gay = fan of show tunes a big fat cliche anyhow? The only canon support anyone could give me for this is that Wilson quoted one line of The Producers. And yes, The Producers is a musical, but c'mon -- it's Mel Brooks, the same guy who brought us Spaceballs and Blazing Saddles. It's hilarious and completely twisted. Even House would like that one (and he did seem to get Wilson's joke). Is there any actual other canon evidence of Wilson liking Broadway musicals? If all we have is that one "That's our Hitler!" line, all it proves to me is that he's a fan of Mel Brooks.

galaxygirl- 09-06-2007

Is there any actual other canon evidence of Wilson liking Broadway musicals? If all we have is that one "That's our Hitler!" line, all it proves to me is that he's a fan of Mel Brooks. I don't believe there is any canon evidence of that. I'm not sure if that line is in the original movie, but if it is, we already know that Wilson likes 'older' movies. So, yeah, maybe he likes Mel Brooks movies. My pet theory is that it's an in-joke since the Producers won all those Tony's in the same year RSL won his.