Water's October, Right?: House Fanfiction Discussion

I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but given lovelythings comment about Foreman having the most prestigious fellowship, can someone refer me to where in canon this is mentioned? As I'm not a fan of Foreman, I tend to fast forward through some of his scenes, and I often read about his fellowship being "better". If this is better answered in the character threads, I understand. Thanks! It's from a couple of places. From the pilot: Foreman: You know what, after centuries of oppression, decades of civil rights marches, and more significantly living like a monk, never getting less then a 4.0 GPA, you don’t think it’s kind of disgusting I get one of the top jobs in the country because I’m a delinquent? We’ll eat, then we’ll tear up the carpet. Cameron: You went to Hopkins right? Foreman: Yep. Cameron: So, you went to a better school then I did, got better grades then I did. Foreman: So how’d you get the job? Did you stab a guy in a bar fight? And a little more from "Detox:" Foreman: Four years of college, four at med school, two years of residency, another four of sub-specialty training, and where do I end up? Chase: Talking instead of digging. Come on, the ground’s frozen solid. And then there's the fact that Dr. Marty wanted to hire him for a full partnership at a respected practice in "DNR," which implies he was fully respected there. (Just to clarify, I don't think that Foreman's fellowship is better than Chase and Cameron's fellowships, but rather that a fellowship with House is one of the more prestigious in the country.)

Any fics been inspired by this sort of thing? Well, I had a whole comment!crack conversation once about the day Cameron had an existential crisis and woke up feeling like a boat, because I'd always see her place in the credits and think, "boats, WTF?" I would love to read an actual story about it, though :-) And speaking of crackfic, I wonder: is there anyone here who doesn't read crackfic at all? By crack, I mean based on a far fetched, often ridiculous premise that no one is under any illusion can ever actually happen on the show. I enjoy reading (and writing) it - to me, it's a fun reprieve from a show and a fandom that often handles very dark subjects, not to mention a lot of pain. But I have heard on occasion people mentioning that they avoid it. Anyone like that here? And if so, care to share your opinions? PS - Namaste and blue, I love and agree with your assessments re: Foreman's character and his place within the ducklings (and yes, I do love the word :-))

Thanks, Namaste, I knew Foreman had a more stellar CV than the other fellows, but in trying to correlate my own experience in academic medicine to 'Houseverse' (always a dicey business!), I would think that any one fellowship with House would be equally prestigious to the others, no matter how superior any of the fellows think they are relative to their co-fellows. Actually, all we know is he has a more "stellar" CV than Cameron because they've discussed it. We have no history of where Chase went to school or where he got his critical care/intensivist certification or even what his training was prior to that. We don't know what his grades were. We do know he's entirely too young to be as qualified as he is, so it's safe to assume he must have been an exceptional student. However, Chase is an intensivist which makes his speciality one of the most in-demand of all kinds of doctors. There is considered to be a "critical shortage" of intesivists in the USA. Having "Intensivist" on his CV probably trumps Foreman's stint at Hopkins. It's like the old joke... what do you call the man who graduated last in his class at medical school? Doctor. Going to Hopkins might help Foreman get into a prestigious fellowship, but wherever Cameron and Chase went got them in too.

House = brain - the genius behind everything Cuddy = nerves = the one who has to carry the responsibility Foreman = chest/heart Wilson = brain (I'm on the wrong thread to start going on about the significance of having the same body part as House 8) ) Cameron = a river - hmmm. the wet one?! Chase = spine = the backbone, the reliable one Any fics been inspired by this sort of thing? I haven't seen any, but I've only been reading fanfic since March. I thought about it, too, and had some ideas. As for H/W both being brain, is it that they are the two sides of it? With the fellows, I see it more like the Wizard of Oz: Foreman needs to learn to come from his heart more than his head. Cameron needs to get her emotional side under control, and needs to learn to be more intuitive (water=emotions as well as intuition). Chase needed to grow a backbone. It's no wonder House fired him: of the three of them, Chase has accomplished the most in this regard.

extra_cat, I'm a major Chaser, so I agree totally. I was just trying to tone down my rabid Chaseness! He's the only one of the fellows I'd appreciate in my training program...I think I'd want to put Cameron on progressive discipline.

Actually, all we know is he has a more "stellar" CV than Cameron because they've discussed it. We have no history of where Chase went to school or where he got his critical care/intensivist certification or even what his training was prior to that. We don't know what his grades were. We do know he's entirely too young to be as qualified as he is, so it's safe to assume he must have been an exceptional student. Absolutely correct. There is almost no canon discussion about Chase's qualifications at all. Any supposition regarding Foreman's superiority is just that--speculation. As for one duckling being better than the others: even House maintains that they are all above-average physicians.

Regarding Foreman's superior qualifications and/or position, from DNR: Foreman: Hamilton offered me a job. Cameron: You gonna take it? Foreman: I haven’t decided. Cameron: You already have the most prestigious fellowship. As for analysis of the credits, I've done some of that too, here.

Cameron and Chase have the same fellowship with House though. I think that was meant to say that the fellowship with House is supposed to be one of (if not the) most prestigious fellowships in the country. He doesn't have a superior fellowship to Chase and Cameron. I'm thinking this is drifting out of just fan fic discussion and into Foreman the character discussion should anyone want to shift location. There are NO posts in that thread at the moment, so there's plenty of room. LOL

Cameron and Chase have the same fellowship with House though. I think that was meant to say that the fellowship with House is supposed to be one of (if not the) most prestigious fellowships in the country. They all have fellowships with House. It doesn't mean they all have the same fellowship. Different fellowships can be endowed with different benefits, different contracts, etc. It would make sense if each of the fellowships is independently endowed, given that a diagnostics department is a rare thing and Cuddy's mentioned on several occasions that people will earmark donations just for House. Those could be in the form of fellowships.

They all have fellowships with House. It doesn't mean they all have the same fellowship. Different fellowships can be endowed with different benefits, different contracts, etc. It would make sense if each of the fellowships is independently endowed, given that a diagnostics department is a rare thing and Cuddy's mentioned on several occasions that people will earmark donations just for House. Those could be in the form of fellowships. Actually, it's strongly implied in the canon that each duckling has the same benefits and privileges as the other (and both Chase and Foreman want to know if Cameron negotiated her way to better things when House bribes her back in Love Hurts). I wholly agree with the interpretation of the DNR line referring to the general position, not Foreman's own fellowship. Besides, when Foreman has presumed superiority over the other fellows, Chase clearly doesn't buy that (what he will tolerate from House, he won't from Foreman). Though the fellowships may have different sources of funding, it does not appear that one is more prestigious than the other. And if prestige is based on time served, then it would appear that Chase got the longest contracted fellowship of the three (though the show's messed with that timeline, so the canon can be contradictory).

Besides, when Foreman has presumed superiority over the other fellows, Chase clearly doesn't buy that (what he will tolerate from House, he won't from Foreman). Though the fellowships may have different sources of funding, it does not appear that one is more prestigious than the other. And if prestige is based on time served, then it would appear that Chase got the longest contracted fellowship of the three (though the show's messed with that timeline, so the canon can be contradictory). They defer to Foreman fairly readily, though, when he's put in charge. I guess it's a YMMV thing. I believe that they would know some of the details of each other's contracts. Cameron seems to envy Foreman. And Chase, though senior in the department, is clearly lacking in prestige, but then, he's not the ambitious type either.

About the credits thing, I'm certain the shots aren't supposed to mean anything. Foreman is supposed to be the smartest, but I have statistical evidence it's not true! I was amused recently to realize that both Wilson and Foreman went to Columbia, though.

Taiga, I was an English major. I can make anything mean something. :twisted: And that's why I write fanfiction.

Hi, folks, we're drifting a little off topic here 8) ; picking up on Roga's question up page - And speaking of crackfic, I wonder: is there anyone here who doesn't read crackfic at all? By crack, I mean based on a far fetched, often ridiculous premise that no one is under any illusion can ever actually happen on the show. I enjoy reading (and writing) it - to me, it's a fun reprieve from a show and a fandom that often handles very dark subjects, not to mention a lot of pain. But I have heard on occasion people mentioning that they avoid it. Anyone like that here? And if so, care to share your opinions? Opinions, folks?

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