Water's October, Right?: House Fanfiction Discussion

In an attempt for clarity, extrabitter didn't create the "Wilson is a rapist" concept. She read that story by someone else, and as a challenge decided to see if it was possible to take that premise that she didn't agree with, and create something plausible out of it. So she used the original fic as Chapter One, and created new stuff from there. An interesting challenge, and certainly one I don't think I could ever take on.

This thread rarely fails to be anything but interesting. It's nice to know that my personal peccadillos aren't mine alone. What pushes me out of (and thus away from) a story: Gratuitous violence and abuse: . I'm not put off by the idea of pain and suffering but I want plot to go with it. A good story where someone is put through 70 levels of mental hell and claws his way back to functioning in society. Where do I sign up? Give me thousands of words that are little but descriptions of the slicing, punching and breaking of body parts and the story becomes motel room porn-it's just the same thing from different angles. Over the top angst & Hurt/Comfort: It can be done very well, and some examples have been mentioned. Unfortunately, the majority of these fics are just heart-string tugging, manipulative -read this and let your emo side show- schlock fests. AU (or any story) where I could find and replace House and Wilson for Luke and Laura or Murray and Lou and the story would suffer not a lick. -That's called original fiction. Don't be ashamed of that, if it's well-written send it off to a small fiction press and try to get published. I like anything IC, intelligent/funny and if possible hot that could happen based on what we know about the characters.

In an attempt for clarity, extrabitter didn't create the "Wilson is a rapist" concept. She read that story by someone else, and as a challenge decided to see if it was possible to take that premise that she didn't agree with, and create something plausible out of it. So she used the original fic as Chapter One, and created new stuff from there. An interesting challenge, and certainly one I don't think I could ever take on. Here's the original by Pitza: Knots It certainly has rough sex, probably dubious consent, but I think it's fairly ambiguous: it could be read as noncon, or it could be read as simply a very dysfunctional relationship. Or maybe I'm just sick and there's no doubt it's a rapefic. Obviously, extrabitter chose to use the story as 'Wilson raping House' as a jumping off point. There's another 'Wilson raping House' story - to name it would be to spoil the story, because the rape is not actually revealed until the 'end' - that doesn't work as well as extrabitter's fic for me in terms of believability. Thought the fic is well-written and has an interesting structure, Wilson's actions are just too OOC and malicious for me to swallow the premise. Edit: to remove hanging tag. Where do they all come from?

There's another 'Wilson raping House' story - to name it would be to spoil the story, because the rape is not actually revealed until the 'end' - that doesn't work as well as extrabitter's fic for me in terms of believability. Thought the fic is well-written and has an interesting structure, Wilson's actions are just too OOC and malicious for me to swallow the premise. I'm pretty sure I know which one you're talking about it, and I saw it not as maliciousness but Wilson stretched to the snapping point. Then afterwards, he has to reconcile who he thought he was with this terrible thing he did, and figure out where to go next. Faced with the situation, different people might have taken a more open approach afterward, but Wilson's cover-up and attempts to atone without confessing, to me, fit his character absolutely.

How do people feel about slash? Just in terms of canon. I'm a Doctor Who fan and we are mad about canon. For those scratching their heads canon basically means 'if it didn't happen on the show it didn't happen'. This means you can still send the characters off the Alpha Centauri, but you have to sort of keep it in the genre. And much as I love the HoYAY I just have this suspicion House is heterosexual. But I can also see him shagging a broomstick - so I might be wrong. I've written one el slasho story and it was hard because I find the idea of House getting the crap beaten out of him slightly more plausible than him shaggin Wilson. But I can also imaginingit happening - but I always wonder the way it would happen. And the way is the important thing. Sex is actually quite unromantic (except in fan fiction) and more Hugh Grant and Colin Firth sloshing around in a fountain rather than running at your partner in a golden meadow. And here we have House and Wilson - who are not the most functional characters invented - constantly paired. It is a tricky thing, considering - I'm assuming most ff writers aren't gay men. One idea I like is just taking it as a given. There was this site I found. I have never found it again, but every story went along the lines of 'oh my gosh I am gay - I had no idea'. But considering that being gay in real life is not something most people go around parading on their sleeve and singing the Birdcage (apart from me - I'm always singing that blinkin soundtrack, but that may be because I listen to it in the bath), how do people feel about it? Not me singing in the bath - HoYAY stories. For those of you who don't know: I am what I am, and what I am is no exception. I bang my own drum, some think it's noise, some think it's pretty. It's my life that I want to something, my life - and it's not a place I want to hide in. Life's not worth a damn till you can shout out: hey world - here I am. Great musical. But also what I ask is how do people think the Interweb is changing peoples' attitudes? If you read or wrote slashHoYAY fic and then was introduced to Damien the poof would you still have the same attitude you would have had ten years ago? Anyone who has every worked in entertainment is exempt from this question.

I see House as bisexual, and usually Wilson as more closeted/in denial.

I'm pretty sure I know which one you're talking about it, and I saw it not as maliciousness but Wilson stretched to the snapping point. Then afterwards, he has to reconcile who he thought he was with this terrible thing he did, and figure out where to go next. Faced with the situation, different people might have taken a more open approach afterward, but Wilson's cover-up and attempts to atone without confessing, to me, fit his character absolutely. Yep, that's the one. Maybe 'malicious' was a bad word choice. The rest of the story is fine - very good, in fact - and Wilson's actions are totally believable, but I think the author drops the ball on the writing of the actual rape, especially since everything that happened 'before' hinged on that one act. House was fine in those scenes - I could see him pushing Wilson like that - but I didn't believe it when Wilson was 'pushed' to do what he did. I think it was probably especially hard to write because it's Wilson's POV, but his thoughts were a bit OOC. It took me right out of the story. I'm not really explaining myself very well, sorry :?

I remember that story. I think 'tricky to write' might be an understatement.

Re kid!fic: Sauty, Shoedog, and Sheep were no doubt amused the time I had a raving meltdown because I could not handle even extremely well-written House/Cuddy kid!fics. Screamed and railed, and then had to self-analyze endlessly as to why I had this meltdown. It's because Wilson is the mom. Seriously. I can only read H/W kid!fics. (Or gen kid!fics in which one of the characters other than House has a kid with someone who is not in the show.) Something may be wrong with me. As to Sheep's question - if you are asking "What do you think about slash?" the answer is, "I love it." If the question is, in canon, what do you think House & Wilson's sexual orientation is, then I'm convinced House is bisexual and knows it, and that Wilson is bisexual and in denial or struggling with it. Bisexual doesn't have to mean desiring both sexes equally. House certainly is attracted to quite a variety of women (S3 was even a bit of 'protesting too much' IMO), and Wilson has certainly married a lot of women. But the possibility is open for both of them, in my opinion, to also have sex with men.

Wilson's always the mom.

Or Cuddy's the mom, but one or both of the guys is heavily involved in helping raise her son (and I think about 99% of the time it's a son). Which is also interesting, because sometimes I'm not sure why Cuddy would let House within 500 feet of a small child.

Okay - I'll take that up: because Cuddy is the only person I have seen push House around on the show (and I mean physically). She would soo stomp on him in a fan fic.

See, that's my personal little craziness, Cuddy can't be the mom for a House or Wilson baby. She can provide the womb, but she can't the mom. *deep breath, and whooooo* Back to the world everyone else occupies: May be minority opinion but I'd let House hang around my kids. He's engaging, he doesn't talk down to kids - he could be a lot of fun as an "Uncle Greg," whether as a friend of family or as a less hands-on dad. Certainly there are a lot of areas of childcare where he'd be weak (anything structured), but he could do it, especially if he had a partner to support him and compensate for his weak areas. ETA: Poeia said it better than I did: We've seen, in lots of episodes, that he likes kids.I think it is a job he would take seriously and, as we we know from the Stacy arc, when he loves, it is pretty much absolute and all-consuming. So the ones where he tries to find a way to be a good, if unconventional, parent despite his rather obvious disqualifications for the job can work for me.

Ever read corgigirl's fic in which House and Cuddy have a kid, who is, in many ways, nearly as screwed up as his Dad? Imperfect kid fics make a lot more sense to me, if House is going to be around. (I'm thinking specifically of Catalyst) http://pwcorgigirl.livejournal.com/30490.html#cutid1/

That was the one in particular that I flipped my lid over! It's really well-written, realistic, etc., etc. and there's no reason I should've balked so heavily. (Sorry to talk about me so much.) So here's a question: Do you think Cuddy could be a good mother? Why or why not? Under what circumstances?

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