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extra_cat- 11-30-2007

I'd mail you a new Pepsi, but it would probably blow up in shipping. :lol: Maybe Foreman is annoyed because Chase makes him feel insecure? He knows Chase has gotten very good at diagnostics. Maybe he eventually got the message that Chase was fired "becasue he'd either learned all he could or nothing at all" and it pisses him off that Chase got that message while he got "You're not ready." It might annoy him that he could have had a diagnostics team (because Cuddy is an idiot--sorry, had to reiterate that), but instead of moving up in the world he's STILL making a fellow's salary while Chase and Cameron have moved to higher ranking jobs. And in some ways, I think it annoys Foreman that Chase gets under his skin but he doesn't really get under Chase's skin. Foreman is so uptight and Chase is pretty laid back. Chase has been downright friendly to Foreman while the friendliest thing Foreman ever said to Chase was, "You're an idiot." No, seriously... when Chase told Foreman that Cameron called off their relationship, Foreman was almost friendly in making Chase realize that Cameron was probably lying about not having any feelings for him.

arizonamyrie- 11-30-2007

Microbiology has gotten to my brain. That's what I was trying to say, but you said it better than I could. I've always seen Foreman as the one who had to win, and he even admitted it in one episode where he said that he felt that if he wasn't at the top, someone would doubt him. And where Chase is free in that sense is that he's been at the bottom in his family situation, and it probably freed him to come to the US and pursue this fellowship. Chase, in my opinion, has operated on the assumption that he's had nothing to lose while Foreman seems like he will lose everything if he isn't perfect.

extra_cat- 11-30-2007

What I think is probably very different for them is their background in having someone have faith in them. Foreman's parents seem very much the type who believed in him and encouraged him to follow his dreams. Remember how his dad cut out an article about him and sent it to him? He probably has an entire scrapbook about his son. And his mother gave him the picture so he could see how much he had accomplished. Chase reacted to his father like he had to prove something, like his father had never believed in him. It was the first time we ever saw him fight tooth and nail for a diagnosis he believed in. And his mother was probably too self-absorbed to be very encouraging of her son. If we knew more about why Chase "failed" his test of faith, we might know if it was his father or something else that made him give up his desire to be a priest. Inquiring minds want to know! So, anyway, the point I'm trying to get to is that it's interesting that Foreman is so focused on winning when whether he did or not, he probably would have been just as loved by his parents. I think Chase felt love and affection from his parents was more conditional on living up to their desires or expectations. I think Foreman wants to prove himself--not because anyone else has pressured him--but because he wants to live up to how much faith his parents had in him. OTOH, I get the impression that Chase learned early on that nothing he does will ever be good enough and that was reflected when Cameron told him House would be impressed with his diagnosis in Airborne and he said he doubted it.

arizonamyrie- 11-30-2007

So, anyway, the point I'm trying to get to is that it's interesting that Foreman is so focused on winning when whether he did or not, he probably would have been just as loved by his parents. There was an episode though where Foreman said that he felt that if he wasn't first or the best that someone would find out that he wasn't first or the best, and then he would be pulled down from this position that he's created for himself. In fact, I think it was this season. That's more what I was referencing. For Foreman, the motivation is to stay at the top in his career, and to find his way to the top as fast as he can. I don't believe that he had family issues at all, except when he was in college later on and the "house became too small." That was the only time there was a family problem, other than a difference in religious belief.

melly- 12-01-2007

Also, their knees were practically touching! Seriously, who sits with their legs spread that far apart with someone they hate? I'm such a pervert. I kept waiting for Foreman to put his hand on Chase's thigh and slowly slide it up- or maybe I was just thinking that's what I would have done if Chase were making himself so accessable to me. :devil: You know, deep down, they're BFF's. All joking aside, I kind of think that they really can't help but like each other. There was an episode though where Foreman said that he felt that if he wasn't first or the best that someone would find out that he wasn't first or the best, and then he would be pulled down from this position that he's created for himself. I think it was House Training in Season 3. I'll take my replies to the Foreman and Chase character threads before somebody tells me I should, because I think this is a very realistic part of Foreman's character. :)