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Lully- 10-09-2007

Yes, I was also yelling at my tv during the Euphorias... But I doubt our reasons were the same, Taiga... :twisted:

Lulu- 10-10-2007

I'm just passing by, but I had to leave a couple of thoughts... 8) Maybe I'm a awful House's fan, but this annoys me much more than Wilson leaving House on the floor. Who were those people (except Chase, because I don't remember him saying anything about Wilson's actions) to judge and condemn Wilson? They knew nothing about what was happening and how Tritter's interference was affecting their relationship. I just completely agree! This annoys me every time I re-watch the Tritter arc! (And I think especially of the scene where Wilson asks Cameron what her problem with him is.) And Wilson leaving House on the floor wasn't such a "big deal" to me. I mean, for starters, look at his reaction when he first sees him on the floor; scared, worried, he immediately runs over to him and checks him over. Then, he sees the pills House stole, and is, naturally, disappointed. And leaves. I have no doubt that Wilson would've stayed/called for help if he thought House's life or health was in any danger. He was right to leave him there. House didn't deserve his pity that night. (Besides, I'm sure Wilson didn't exactly forget about that, even though he left...)

idonmatrix- 10-14-2007

I totally agree with you. I think what some people forget is that House and Wilson are friends - very, very close friends. I'm sure Wilson has seen House high, drunk, etc. before. Wilson would know whether or not House was in trouble. I'm glad Wilson left his behind lying on the floor in his own puke. Earlier in the episode, House told Wilson and Cuddy, he planned to take a whole buttload of pills. Then later, Wilson said he might prefer people to pills and House just shunned him. I think folks sometimes forget that House is a middle-aged man and older than Wilson. At some point, a person has to just say no. And to me that's what Wilson did.

Lulu- 10-14-2007

I totally agree with you. I think what some people forget is that House and Wilson are friends - very, very close friends. I'm sure Wilson has seen House high, drunk, etc. before. Wilson would know whether or not House was in trouble. I'm glad Wilson left his behind lying on the floor in his own puke. Earlier in the episode, House told Wilson and Cuddy, he planned to take a whole buttload of pills. Then later, Wilson said he might prefer people to pills and House just shunned him. Exactly! Glad to find someone else who sees it this way! :) Edited to remove mysterious quote tag

Taiga- 10-17-2007

Guess this is the right place for this... In the wish list thread I said that I wanted to see one of the Blueprints point out that House and Wilson's friendship is odd, because everyone else seems to take it for granted. It was not to be. In '97 Seconds' Wilson walked into the DDX, didn't introduce himself, was not dressed as a doctor, and not only did no one question him but they all obeyed him. Okay, maybe they knew who he was by then, but they didn't even seem to wonder why the Head of Oncology was taking over for House. When Volakis asked him why he paged her when he electrocuted himself and he referred to Wilson, she just accepted it as if she knew that Wilson was his best friend. It was like the pilot, where Foreman was still learning what House was like and how he operated but didn't seem to question Wilson's constant presence. The point is, I'm thinking now that Wilson is part of House's reputation. We know that everyone knows about House's genius and assholishness, but I think they also hear about his strange friendship with Wilson. Just like Watson is part of Holmes' legend. Thoughts?

hwshipper- 10-18-2007

The point is, I'm thinking now that Wilson is part of House's reputation. We know that everyone knows about House's genius and assholishness, but I think they also hear about his strange friendship with Wilson. I very much like this idea. The newbies (the more successful ones, anyway) have clearly done their research on House; they have a good idea about how he operates, and they know about Chase & Cameron, enough to try & get them to help; stands to reason Wilson would be part of the picture. It would be VERY interesting if one of them had approached Wilson rather than Ch or Cam to help them get onside with House! It was like the pilot, where Foreman was still learning what House was like and how he operated but didn't seem to question Wilson's constant presence. This is interesting, but I wonder if we do see some questioning of Wilson's role by Foreman in the pilot - not at Wilson's presence (explained by the fact it was his case), but the moment Foreman actually says to House 'Dr Wilson got you to take this case under false pretences' (the cousin thing). I find really quite intriguing - its very confrontational and could be seen as challenging the H/W relationship. We also get something similar from Foreman in Histories ('Why are we taking this case? Just because Wilson asked?')

lf2871- 10-18-2007

It's intresting to think that Wilson is part of House's reputation..I love the idea. I did wonder why no-one seems to bat an eyelid when Wilson becomes involved and that would explain alot. But then Wilson is meant to be a 'boy wonder' oncologist anyway - after all Chases dad did come all that way to see him, so perhaps he' got a reputation of his own?

Lully- 10-18-2007

Yes the idea that Wilson is part of House reputation is cute, but I would like to see some reactions anyway. The blonde girl (CTB?) went to Wilson's office through the balcony and didn't seem to think that he'd be surprised or annoyed by that, I supposed she saw House doing the same thing at some point, but how did she know that Wilson wouldn't react? In a way is like Wilson is not a independent entity. He is not just part of House's reputation, he is part of House. As if House ceased of existing, Wilson wouldn't be there anymore. I'm ok that they know about H/W friendship and closeness, but it's strange that they don't react at all at such odd relationship. It was like the pilot, where Foreman was still learning what House was like and how he operated but didn't seem to question Wilson's constant presence. But Foreman had Chase and Cameron there to explain to him the dynamic and even that didn't prevent him from made some mistakes (the Pilot, Histories) about how really close they are.

LightMyCandle- 10-18-2007

The point is, I'm thinking now that Wilson is part of House's reputation. We know that everyone knows about House's genius and assholishness, but I think they also hear about his strange friendship with Wilson. I love that idea. It kind of makes sense that if you hear about a genius that no one can stand, the one person who can stand him would be brought up eventually. As if House ceased of existing, Wilson wouldn't be there anymore. That's depressing. :cry:

Jouse- 10-18-2007

Bah, I was counting on the n00bs reaction re:Wilson and his puzzling relationship with House, but TPTB were obviously too busy doing tribal council and now the n00bs just take it for granted.

Lully- 11-03-2007

It's quiet here lately, isn't it? On the House/Wilson/Cuddy thread, MaryIsobel wrote: I didn't like them showing Wilson as dominant over House--that didn't feel right to me. Not sure how much that is influenced by canon on the show and how much by my partisanship of House--I always want to see him have the last laugh as it were. I don't like to see him dominated by anyone. So I 'm glad to see that some others don't see Wilson being the boss of House as a given. I was surprise that so many people seem surprised that Wilson has some dominance over House. Since the Pilot we see this. We saw House looking for Wilson's advices and follow them. We saw House asking Wilson if they were ok at the end of HvsG (did he do it any other time with anyone else?). We saw House starting to think about the possible deal with Tritter after Wilson left him on the floor. We saw House coming back to Wilson every time they had a fight (even if Wilson is the one who "cause" the fight). Even the pills that Wilson is still prescribing (at least I think he is) are Wilson's way to control House's consumption. Yes, Wilson gave up his money, his car, his practice, potentially ruining his own life but House felt guilty every time. And he came back to Wilson and apologise. Wilson is the one who gave the forgiveness. If this is not power, I don't know what it is.

SaphronGirl- 11-03-2007

I agree. House needs Wilson more than Wilson needs House. House has no one else. :cry:

Silja- 11-03-2007

I don't see the need to reduce their friendship to who's in power over the other. Wilson is dominant some of the time, House is some of the time and neither the rest of the time. Personally, I've been a little confused at the claim that House is Wilson's 'bitch'. I can't recognise that at all.

SaphronGirl- 11-03-2007

It's a lot more subtle than House being his "bitch". I doubt even House realizes how much Wilson means to him (and thus, obliquely influences his actions).

jonne- 11-03-2007

Whereas Wilson has....... No one else either really, I think. Admittedly he has his parents, brother(s), ex-wives, Hector even, but I never got the impression they play a real part in his life