Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

I'm also glad that RSL and I see things somewhat similarly, as per his new quote in TV Guide. Yeah. Good times. Yes, I liked all his answers. It made me love him even more. I love how he said that House is the Phantom of the Opera and Wilson is his friend and that's the way it goes. I'm also glad that most of the poll voters believe that House and Wilson's friendship can be saved. :D I would actually like to see a conversation like that between Thirteen and Foreman, ixtab. They play off each other rather well and I think it could be very affecting. I haven't decided if I like 13 with Foreman or 13 with Kutner. I think the potential for both is very good. I like the way she plays off both of them.

We'll also be flashing back to her childhood, when we'll also meet her ill mother, who also suffered and died from the disease. Oh, now come. on. Seriously? I like 13 but what exactly makes her special enough to get her own flashbacks when we have to fanwank pretty much everything about everyone else? Remember Cuddy and how we know nothing about her past? Remember Wilson's missing brother? Ring any bells at all DS? Again, SERIOUSLY? And again this is coming from someone who likes 13 but there are other people that we've had questions about for four years now and maybe they could answer a few of those before giving the newbies their own flashbacks. There better be some freaking awesome H/W backstory on the roadtrip. Wow!!! The discussion has really taken off - several pages a day :) I too am part of the "I like 13 club". BUT I agree with you, we better get some serious H/W backstory. Is it really too much to ask that we get a confirmation of how long they've known each other, how they met, and geez! just a minor detail but Wilson's age?

A writer told RSL that he's working on 'a scene' for Cameron and Chase? A whole scene? Wow, that's certainly exciting. I hope TPTB don't give us that scene too soon. I want to revel in the anticipation. :roll: I saw that, too. Lovely. While I'm being pounded with 13 flashbacks (which, I will only enjoy if it turns out her parents called her "13" too) it's depressing that the writers have managed to come up with a whole scene for these characters.

Is it really too much to ask that we get a confirmation of how long they've known each other, how they met, and geez! just a minor detail but Wilson's age? Oh, I would love it if we could finally put those timeline discussions to rest. Minor point, but would it kill RSL to take a new picture? Not that I don't love that picture but it's the one that's been used for his little Q&As since S3. I know he doesn't like things like that but they could at least find a different old pic or something.

I keep hearing or reading that the H/W relationship will be changed. But I noticed that when asked RSL seemed to skim right by that part and I really haven't heard anything to suggest IF this really happens or any details of what exactly changes. People may not change, but relationships do. I hope they don't just press the magic 'reset' button....again. I can't imagine them just pressing the reset button. It was something horrendous that tore House and Wilson apart and I'm thinking it will probably be something of a similar volume that brings them back together.

RSL interview: -I love his randomness. House is The Phantom of the Opera. -Love this quote "But we won't just brush off that arose on last season's show. They are not easy to deal with". This gives me hope that consequences will be explored and as LurkeratLarge said even if people don't change, relationship can and do. Plus I'd love to have canon back up so many people's personal canon that the infarction changed the dynamic of the original friendship, and maybe recover some of the that original rythm plus add the layers that the last few years have brought to the relationship. -DOB1234 He actually mentions that the scene would include Foreman as well, so I am thinking is the episode where CCF treat a patient without consulting House. OTH, it's nice to hear he enjoys having Jennifer and Jesse around. We know there's at least one Cameron/Wilson scene, could we get greedy and get a Chase/Wilson scene, or are we to wait until S7 (maybe they get a scene alone every 3 years ':)' ) -And since they are back to shooting (Episode 9) maybe someone can tie RSL down and get some promo shots!

I haven't decided if I like 13 with Foreman or 13 with Kutner. I think the potential for both is very good. I like the way she plays off both of them. I like how she is with Kutner as well. Quite frankly, if 13 ever really wanted to live up to her "I deal with my illness this way..." ideals, then Kutner is definitely the one to stick with. Kutner could have very easily become like 13, and even more so -- whereas 13 dealt with a parent dying after a long, drawn-out period, Kutner was suddenly robbed of his family and had to forge out a new existence for himself from there. Thirteen became the epitome of angst, but Kutner became adventurous and fun-loving. I think 13 could learn so much from him. so I am thinking is the episode where CCF treat a patient without consulting House. This could be an amazing exploration of how much Chase and Cam really have grown. We've seen CCF successfully solve a case on their own before -- Airborne -- but now we could see them as they've come into their own as physicians. What new experiences can they bring to the table? If this comes to be, I'm excited.

I can't imagine them just pressing the reset button. It was something horrendous that tore House and Wilson apart and I'm thinking it will probably be something of a similar volume that brings them back together. And then they'll press the reset button. They pressed it after House vs God, they pressed it after the lie about the Addison's patient for both Wilson and Cuddy and they pressed it after Tritter left. That's what the show always does and I can't see that not happening now, not with Wilson and not with Cuddy post Huddy. Changing the relationships would require a change in the character of House as he deals with Wilson and Cuddy and Shore seems to be deathly afraid of that. House's relationships with Chase and Cameron have changed but then they're barely on the show any more and not interacting with House in any meaningful way. Thirteen became the epitome of angst, but Kutner became adventurous and fun-loving. I think 13 could learn so much from him. She would have to change personalities too. Kutner is open and caring of others; Thirteen, like Foreman, is self-involved unless there's something in it for her to be nice to someone else. A Thirteen/Foreman scene about parental death and lingering illness would make sense. So would a Wilson/Cameron scene about the death of a spouse. But neither of them is about House and so it's not going to happen. And is 13 House's long lost daughter? Don't give them any ideas. Please.

And then they'll press the reset button. They pressed it after House vs God, they pressed it after the lie about the Addison's patient for both Wilson and Cuddy and they pressed it after Tritter left. That's what the show always does and I can't see that not happening now, not with Wilson and not with Cuddy post Huddy. You're probably right, I think it's possible that those relationships could get healthier after all this is over but I don't think they will drastically change that much. Pre-Amber, I was really enjoying the House/Wilson relationship (I enjoyed it during Amber too but that's got nothing to do with my point), it seemed like they were just being best friends again, enjoying each other's company. Playing fooseball, breaking into the room with the camera equipment, Wilson teasing House about being the dominant one, not to mention Wilson being there for House and the newbies in 97 Seconds and House's "I love you." I know a lot of people felt that Wilson was very distant in the first half of S4, but I didn't feel that way, I was having fun watching them. I'm hoping they can get back to a balance of that and S2/someS1 levels. I'm glad that they're taking real time to deal with the Amber issue, instead of glossing over it like they do everything else, but when the dust settles, I don't think things will be that much different between House and Wilson than they usually are. A Thirteen/Foreman scene about parental death and lingering illness would make sense. So would a Wilson/Cameron scene about the death of a spouse. But neither of them is about House and so it's not going to happen. What are you talking about? We already know there will be a Wilson/Cameron scene where she talks about her husband when she tells Wilson that leaving won't help him. And while we won't see it, we know they'll be spending a lot of time together in ep. 2. If House and Wilson are away for the roadtrip, we could easily see 13 talking to Foreman about her issues and his issues. I think Kutner would be good for 13, but I think 13 would be good for Foreman, in that he might finally be able to commit to someone and put them first.

I think Kutner would be good for 13, but I think 13 would be good for Foreman, in that he might finally be able to commit to someone and put them first. Wait...what? Sometimes I feel like I must be watching a different show or something. Is there some indication that there's going to be a 13/Kutner or 13/Foreman development? And, if so, for the love of god, why? No! I think people are just speculating about who Thirteen could turn to for support in dealing with her diagnosis. I'm sure they'll have her commiserating with House or something like that. :roll:

What are you talking about? We already know there will be a Wilson/Cameron scene where she talks about her husband when she tells Wilson that leaving won't help him. And while we won't see it, we know they'll be spending a lot of time together in ep. 2. If House and Wilson are away for the roadtrip, we could easily see 13 talking to Foreman about her issues and his issues. There will be one Wilson/Cameron scene but I'll be surprised if it's more than 30 seconds long. That scene and the information that Wilson is talking to Cameron about dead spouses won't be there to give Wilson or Cameron any growth or insight, it will be there to show how Wilson is pushing House away while reaching out to other people. It will be about how House is suffering, not how Wilson is doing. I think Kutner would be good for 13, but I think 13 would be good for Foreman, in that he might finally be able to commit to someone and put them first. Foreman is a commitment-phobe, that's why he's alone. Wendy would have been perfect for him because she was willing to give him lots of space, she was smart enough to talk work with him and she was less self-absorbed or judgemental than I see 13 being. I doubt 13 is going to change Foreman's fear of commitment unless it's because he won't be able to live with 13 for 30 years. But then, he's unlikely to take on someone who's going to have a degenerative disease like his mother has because that's his fear. It's a match made in David Shore heaven, two self-absorbed, arrogant people who think they've too good for everyone else but while I haven't really liked Foreman since Sleeping Dogs Lie I wouldn't wish 13 on him, much as he may deserve her. And I don't see them as being entertaining together. Much as I disliked the sexcapades, JS and JM were amusing to watch in them My bet is that the person who will help 13 through this will be House and they will bond over their respective damages and limited ability to enjoy life. But why they need to show flashbacks to 13's mother to show what she's experiencing is beyond me unless they don't trust OW to be able to do it on acting alone as HL did in SoaCG and OD,OR.

Is there some indication that there's going to be a 13/Kutner or 13/Foreman development? And, if so, for the love of god, why? No, no, no. That is pure speculation. Don't worry. I doubt 13 is going to change Foreman's fear of commitment unless it's because he won't be able to live with 13 for 30 years. Yeah, I thought about that after I posted that she's dying so according to him, it's not real commitment. But then, he's unlikely to take on someone who's going to have a degenerative disease like his mother has because that's his fear. Well, that's why I would consider it growth (if done right) if they went there. Much as I disliked the sexcapades, JS and JM were amusing to watch in them Not to me, they didn't start amusing me until after the sexcapades were over. There was nothing cute or amusing about Cameron and Chase ignoring their jobs, Chase following Cameron around like a dog and then Cameron getting p*ssy when he put his foot down. But why they need to show flashbacks to 13's mother to show what she's experiencing is beyond me I agree that's definately going too far. I do not understand the logic behind giving her flashbacks. Isn't she supposed to be a "mystery?" And yet, they're going to show us, in flashbacks, everything about her childhood and her mother. That kind of defeats the purpose, does it not? There will be one Wilson/Cameron scene but I'll be surprised if it's more than 30 seconds long. At least it's there and it's a little more about Cameron's PDH (not that I'm all that eager to know more about that.) They don't have to show that or Wilson's scene with Foreman at all, they could just stick to the H/W/C stuff and I don't think it would make us understand Wilson's decision any less.

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