Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

House and Wilson got estranged during Tritter only a season ago so it's going to look repetitive in terms of story even if it's written differently. True, although I think I'll like this one better, but hopefully this will be it for the "House and Wilson become estranged" storylines. Honestly, short of trying to kill each other, what more can they do? I'm hoping that they come back together stronger than they were before (so the puppies don't cry and so they can rule the world) and I can just enjoy them being best friends (and lovers in the physical sense) again. especially since AD is pregnant and it would have been fun watching House trying to cope with Wilson's impending fatherhood. Then Shore could have killed her off at the end of season 5. With Wilson stuck with a kid for the rest of the series? No thanks, that's the stuff that awesome fanfics are made of, but I'd rather not see it in canon.

Plus the longer they kept Amber as a character the more time it would have required bringing her into episodes taking the focus even more off the medical procedural where they all say the shows focus really is meant to be. It would have too signficantly changed the H/W dynamic by prolonging the triangle. (I'm fine with the H/W show but I know others are not. I was tiring of H/W/A.) I believe DS said if there had been no strike they wouldn't have even given them the two extra episodes (NMMNG & LTD) since H's H and W's H were scheduled to be next up for the Super Bowl airing. Also the more difficult for Wilson to eventually get over the loss and let Amber fade into the past. It's been set up to be hard enough after just 2 months so after a year even if the relationship was beginning to show wear and tear like W/Juile (Whatever Wilson's feelings there it took him quite sometime and difficulty to deal with it's end) it would have taken that much more to reasonably bring H/W back together.

The funniest thing about the hulu clip marykir just posted (thank you) is that we have VERSION 3 of 13's name. She's now REMA Hadley (according to fox.com/house she's RENA & according to Chase she's REMY). SO - WTF is it?

Yeah, she's so mysterious not even the showrunners know her real name. :lol: It's good that they're having the same conversations that we've basically been having for the past 3 months or so. In one new scene between Cuddy and House, Cuddy says, "You were drunk. You called her up in the middle of the night. She was on the bus because of you." To which House replies, "I did not kill her." I get the feeling that while House gave Wilson his couple months to grieve and be hurt, he's coming back to the hospital basically saying, "Okay, we've cried. Let's look at this objectively now -- I didn't kill her. Don't take it out on me." With the number of almost exclusively House/Cuddy scenes we're being given, it's not too far off to assume that she's his only real ally at the moment. She seems to be seeking him out a lot, but since there are scenes in her office, the seeking may be mutual. For now. Wait until H/W is all better and then the tables will turn, but it's good to see someone stick by him.

You know, I'm one of this unfortunate fans that can not access the clip... Could someone please do a little recap? I have cookies... :D

In one new scene between Cuddy and House, Cuddy says, "You were drunk. You called her up in the middle of the night. She was on the bus because of you." To which House replies, "I did not kill her." That was definately not something I expected to hear come out of Cuddy's mouth, hopefully she was just trying to get him to see Wilson's POV because House does seem to be annoyed that Wilson's not over it. I think the look she had on her face after House said that he didn't kill her showed that that's what she was doing. Again, it's the same thing that a lot of us have been going back and forth between this summer -- he started the whole unfortunate chain of events, and yet, it's not his fault that she died. He got her killed, but he didn't kill her.

he started the whole unfortunate chain of events, and yet, it's not his fault that she died. He got her killed, but he didn't kill her. Right, very tricky and emotional stuff they're going to be dealing with here. You know, I'm one of this unfortunate fans that can not access the clip... Could someone please do a little recap? I have cookies... There was the H/Cu scene that's been quoted. RSL saying that Wilson and House are on the outs. OW, KP, and PJ talking about their characters (nothing spoilery) JM saying how this season there is a better sense of feeling all 9 of the characters. LE saying that she likes where the H/Cu relationship is going and HL saying that he likes the thick skinned way they all treat each other and that he likes seeing the relationships develop. They showed a lot of clips from last season. I think one new DDX shot with Taub talking, the 13/House clip that's already been shown, and another new H/Cu clip at the end with her saying, "you're not listening to me are you?" and him saying something like, "try it sometime." I think that about covers it, now give me my cookies!!! :twisted:

* sends cookies to LMC with with chocolate covering * :winkiss: He got her killed, but he didn't kill her. But this is a rationalization! For the person who lost the loved one and for the person who feels responsible the difference is not that big... In the end Amber was dead because House made a phone call... And I should shut up until I can actually see the clip, though...

He got her killed, but he didn't kill her. But this is a rationalization! For the person who lost the loved one and for the person who feels responsible the difference is not that big... In the end Amber was dead because House made a phone call... And I should shut up until I can actually see the clip, though... No, you have a really good point. I think this is what Cuddy was trying to make House see; it's definitely been the assumption that the cast has been working under, considering all the times we've heard RSL say, "Well, House killed my girlfriend." But, I think in House's mind, you know nine times out of ten, that bus would have made it to his stop and everything would have been peachy. In fact, it seemed like House and Amber had almost come to a truce of sorts (as much of one as they would ever come to), so it would have been more than peachy. It's not House's fault that they got on the bus at the wrong time. And yet...

There's also a bit with JS in it where he says he's the go to guy for procedures & the blood & guts stuff. He got her killed, but he didn't kill her. But this is a rationalization! For the person who lost the loved one and for the person who feels responsible the difference is not that big... In the end Amber was dead because House made a phone call... Yes, & the clips I've seen strike me a little bit of House protesting too much that he's not responsible. He's also really lacking in sympathy for Wilson, never mind the "Wilson has to snap out of it on my schedule, not his own" vibe, that I'm wondering who exactly he's trying to convince, Wilson or himself. Cuddy's got a major management issue on her hands too - she's lost her boy wonder head of oncology & she's about to lose her head of diagnostics too through his games. Cuddy's got to be seen to try to broker a successful solution or she risks looking either incompetent or that she's throwing Wilson under the bus by siding with House (& given she does lose Wilson, the best options are she either agrees with him that he needs to get away from House & PPTH or she's not able to convince him to stay).

the clips I've seen strike me a little bit of House protesting too much that he's not responsible. He's also really lacking in sympathy for Wilson, never mind the "Wilson has to snap out of it on my schedule, not his own" vibe, that I'm wondering who exactly he's trying to convince, Wilson or himself. Agreed, I think House does feel very guilty and he's trying to rationalize it away (as people tend to do to make things easier on themselves). Yes, it's true that it was an accident, but neither House or Wilson are going to just be able to ignore House's big part in things.

In one new scene between Cuddy and House, Cuddy says, "You were drunk. You called her up in the middle of the night. She was on the bus because of you." To which House replies, "I did not kill her." That was definately not something I expected to hear come out of Cuddy's mouth, hopefully she was just trying to get him to see Wilson's POV because House does seem to be annoyed that Wilson's not over it. I completely agree! I do think Cuddy may be one of House's only allies at this point, but I was still surprised to hear her say it. So, my question now is that Wilson is being given (or is taking) time to grieve, but has House? He feels...or at least says that he's not responsible for her death. Has he dealt with it? PTS maybe? It's almost like he's a little kid who denies any wrong doing (even if it was a really rotten string of bad luck), afraid of what trouble he might get into. ETA: Though completely aware of his roll in the situation.

-- he started the whole unfortunate chain of events, and yet, it's not his fault that she died. He got her killed, but he didn't kill her. I think this is absolutely correct and I think it is how both House and Wilson will see it and rightly so. This may also be Cuddy's POV. House is responsible for events leading up to Amber’s death but he is not to blame for her actual death. Still it is significant enough that House greatly contributed to what happened. House's actions the night of the accident are sufficient to disturb Wilson and is part of the reason Wilson leaves. As Hugh said, “Wilson comes to a bigger, broader realization that House is possibly a destructive force in his life; House isn't good for him...” I think we’ll also see that House feels guilty for the part he played. One of the reasons he wants Wilson to get over Amber’s death quicker than he is, in addition to not wanting to see Wilson in pain, is to help alleviate his own conscience. If Wilson is okay than House can be too.

Yes, it's like how he dealt with the Tritter and Volger situations. His best friend may have lost his job because of him, but he got it back so what's the big deal? This time there was a consequence to his actions that he can't ignore or undo.

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