Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

On the subject of change, I tend to fall back to David Shore's take on it, since he's the guy whose opinion matters. (And yes, I know it's not canon because House doesn't say it, but ... ) From the May interview in the Chicago Tribune: But I also think movies are what’s artificial – I think people don’t change that much. People struggle to change, people want to change, want to become better, but that’s what life is, that struggle to achieve that. It’s tiny baby steps. We are not that much different than who we were 10 years ago. That’s what people are. The arc of House isn’t, “He changes and becomes this,” it’s about him trying to figure out who he should be and how he should live and disappointing himself and having these little milestones. As he notes, it's not that people don't change at all, but they don't change "that much." If the arc with House and Wilson here is them taking these baby steps and attempting to change -- even if the complete "change" doesn't stick -- I'll be happy.

On the subject of change, I tend to fall back to David Shore's take on it, since he's the guy whose opinion matters. (And yes, I know it's not canon because House doesn't say it, but ... ) From the May interview in the Chicago Tribune: But I also think movies are what’s artificial – I think people don’t change that much. People struggle to change, people want to change, want to become better, but that’s what life is, that struggle to achieve that. It’s tiny baby steps. We are not that much different than who we were 10 years ago. That’s what people are. The arc of House isn’t, “He changes and becomes this,” it’s about him trying to figure out who he should be and how he should live and disappointing himself and having these little milestones. As he notes, it's not that people don't change at all, but they don't change "that much." If the arc with House and Wilson here is them taking these baby steps and attempting to change -- even if the complete "change" doesn't stick -- I'll be happy. And that goes for Wilson too then. People don't change. Wilson can't just walk away from House.

As he notes, it's not that people don't change at all, but they don't change "that much." If the arc with House and Wilson here is them taking these baby steps and attempting to change -- even if the complete "change" doesn't stick -- I'll be happy. Yes, thank you. I don't see House and Wilson's relationship drastically changing once this is all over, but attempts to be better on both sides would be more than enough for me.

As he notes, it's not that people don't change at all, but they don't change "that much." If the arc with House and Wilson here is them taking these baby steps and attempting to change -- even if the complete "change" doesn't stick -- I'll be happy. Yes, thank you. I don't see House and Wilson's relationship drastically changing once this is all over, but attempts to be better on both sides would be more than enough for me. Word. Namaste you said it more concisely and with a better example than I did. I'm hoping for what you and LightMyCandle are, something small yet significant for both of them with the realization that back slides will likely occur. ETA, Yay Fresh spoiler meat!! And so early too. :D Actually I'm not sure what to make of the F/Cdy/H or 13/H/POTW clips. As for H/W looks like Wilson will be gone by the end of E1 so perhaps the House visiting him at home is E2. Credit to House for at least recognizing Wilson's pain is real. Echos of H/Stacy when Wilson says he would rather chop off his leg than to have suffered Amber's death. Looks like we have confirmation that House has in fact not ever had some one he loves die.

We didn't hear anything re. future plans so we have to say it was not in the works. Regardless there's no reason to think it played into House's upsetment and drinking. Dating, living togther, engaged or married happily or unhappily it's all the same to House if it affects his time with Wilson. No, we don't have to say it was not in the works. It's a possibility. And if it was true, then in my opinion, it would matter to House. Wives have a legal standing girlfriends don't. Getting divorced takes more time, effort, and money then dumping a girlfriend. Or, as one of the best post-ep fics for "Wilson's Heart" speculates, it could have been that House found out about Wilson wanting to propose and got drunk to build his courage to congratulate Wilson and give his blessing. I'm not saying that is what happened, only that it could be what happened. :) ETA - YOWZA, that House-Wilson clip. "A definite coldness," oh yes, I'd say for sure. Look at the way House tries a bit to be sympathetic, but he's just not terribly good at it, is he?

We didn't hear anything re. future plans so we have to say it was not in the works. Regardless there's no reason to think it played into House's upsetment and drinking. Dating, living togther, engaged or married happily or unhappily it's all the same to House if it affects his time with Wilson. No, we don't have to say it was not in the works. It's a possibility. And if it was true, then in my opinion, it would matter to House. Wives have a legal standing girlfriends don't. Getting divorced takes more time, effort, and money then dumping a girlfriend. A possibilty with no canon to back it up. If the canon facts change then so will my opinion of it. I love fanfic as much as many others do, (although one that has House building up courage to congratulate and give his blessings to anyone strikes me as off a bit) but the show is a different thing. Otherwise H/W would be in a LT sexual/romantic relationship and registering for their civil partnership. And it would be fine by me! I'm not saying that is what's happening, only that it could. :wink: Also I don't see where the depth, legal standing, of the relationship matters that much to House; it is what it represents, a potential loss of Wilson that counts. He certainly got bent out of shape but quick when he thought Wilson and Wendy were dating and that was a situation that Wilson denied repeatedly even was taking place. On the other hand House had no concern at all about Wilson's marriage to Julie, in regard to it affecting him, as it no longer, if it ever did, present any real obstruction to his access to Wilson.

ETA - YOWZA, that House-Wilson clip. "A definite coldness," oh yes, I'd say for sure. Look at the way House tries a bit to be sympathetic, but he's just not terribly good at it, is he? So does that mean that Wilson had just returned to PPTH after taking a some time off? House is so terrible with sympathy. He just can't show it. Well, he can, but it's rare that he shows it. I'm not surprised at his reaction to Wilson. It seems perfectly in character for House to depersonalize the grieving process and urge Wilson to approach things rationally. :roll: But it's painful to watch.

A possibilty with no cannon to back it up. If the cannon facts change then so will my opinion of it. I love fanfic as much as many others do, (although one that has House building up courage to congratulate and give his blessings to anyone strikes me as off a bit) but the show is a different thing. We are all speculating about the future, so none of it is canon yet. And, yes, fanfic is not the show. But fanfic is also a way to speculate about the future, which the one I mentioned did, and it rang very true. I enjoy hearing all different kinds of speculation as to what might be possible. Off-the-wall crazy stuff goes in the "Curry" thread, sure, but the variety of reasonable ideas are so very interesting to read about here.

I really like the H/W clip, in a really painful way. You can tell that House is trying to be understanding and sympathetic, good effort for him, and Wilson...I'm not sure exactly how I would describe his mood yet, I need to see more. Kind of defeated or resigned (no pun intended there), not really angry or particularly snappy, I'm guessing he'll be provoked into really losing it at some point. But yeah, the coolness, definately there. I think he'll be gone from PPTH by the end of the first episode, I think that shot in the promo of Wilson leaving his office with House just standing there will be the end of that episode. So, I think all the couple's counceling will take place then too. House will probably go to Wilson's apartment in the second episode, either at the end or at the beginning, either way, I'm thinking that will be Wilson's only scene in that episode and since that confrontation will most likely end in a "Frankly my dear, I don't give a d@mn" kind of way, episode three is probably when we'll have to make due without Wilson. :cry:

Wilson...I'm not sure exactly how I would describe his mood yet, I need to see more. Kind of defeated or resigned (no pun intended there), not really angry or particularly snappy, I'm guessing he'll be provoked into really losing it at some point. I think part of what Wilson may be feeling is depression again. He's running away which we have seen him do before, to House's after he learned of Julie's affair. To a hotel after the Grace debacle. He's hurt, at a loss and I bet a bit scared. I'd like to think the analysis crack is a sign he is getting counseling but I don't think so. :cry:

I think part of what Wilson may be feeling is depression again. Well, geez, his girlfriend just died. I should hope that he's depressed. It would be a little weird if he wasn't.

People don't necessarily get depressed when someone they love dies. Sad, upset, emotional, angry, sure, but being depressed is different. It last longer and tends to interfer with their ability to conduct their normal daily life.

I know about depression, thanks. And loss. Wilson and Amber were completely in love. IMO, there relationship never had the chance to reach its true potential. YMMV, but I think it would highly usual for a person in Wilson's situation to not suffer from some form of depression. And I've sure we've all seem these before: Five stages of grief 1. Denial 2. Anger 3.Bargaining 4. Depression 5. Acceptance I think it's still too early for Wilson to have reached the fifth stage.

I know about depression, thanks. And loss. Nobody said you didn't sautomne and if I upset you I'm sorry. I was just trying to say that not every one who suffers the loss of someone they love, even completely, automatically gets depressed or goes thru the five stages. Circumstances vary from person to person, event to event. I do think Wilson is depressed; I just don't think it would have to be the same for everyone in his situation.

To side step Wilson a bit...anyone notice House didn't quite seem his usual self in the coma guy's (or whoever that guy is) room? Maybe it isn't as big a jump in time as I originally thought. I'm guessing House is freshly back to work, which would explain why Foreman might be neary all the time (Cuddy's watch dog). Back to Wilson: I get the VERY distinct feeling that Wilson's resignation is a farse. I don't know, he just comes off as if he's going through the motions...maybe he and Cuddy have something up their collective sleeve? The end of that conversation felt real, but the resignation itself just seems off to me. Not genuine. Initial gut reaction. Can I just say I'm more and more impressed with RSL as an actor with each moment on screen?

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