I really believe that The Sweetness was only in reference to the custody sharing of Wilson and not in any way regarding the finale. I wouldn't look for it here.
Re. LMC's post, I think the reason H/A were together might be a cause of hurt to Wilson but I wonder if the secret was more Amber's than House's?
In the two clips we have (the Fox one & 13 & House), House appears to be doing everything possible and taking what Wilson wants into consdieration, something we know Wilson thinks is important letting the patient/family decide and not forcing a decision on them. Another reason why it would be ironic if Wilson pushed surgery or didn't stop surgery on House. So right now I don't see a place for Wilson to have any basis of bad feelings towards House no matter the outcome of Amber's death. Again unless House has the surgery for his own reasons and finds the answer too late. Then a dejected and bitterly disappointed Wilson would seem likely.
If House is the one who feels betrayed by Wilson he could simple shut him out, as I believe he did with Stacy, and not be a source of comfort when Wilson needs him to be.
If Wilson is resentful of House I could see him taunting House with the fact that House, the person who didn't care if he lived or died, is alive and that Amber who Wilson felt he had a future with is dead.
I don't think Wilson will take off, it will be much worse if H/W are right next door to one another ever day at work and at the same time completely blocked off from each other.
DrSpaceman- 05-18-2008
I'm with whoever said that I hope the issue is not "oh, Wilson's betrayal of House" again, and the question won't hinge on whether Wilson realizes the truth and forgives poor House. Can't House be there for Wilson for once?
Nonetheless, I have a feeling that us Wilson fans may spend the summer apologizing for him again, ala Tritter. (Though I still think he was justified with Tritter, and certainly can't imagine him doing anything not justified out of grief over Amber). Luckily from the two clips we've had House comes across as intense and protective of Wilson - this time, I think that even if Wilson gets angry or bitter towards House, House will let him, and recognize that, for once, how House feels about it is not what's most important.
LightMyCandle- 05-18-2008
I don't see a place for Wilson to have any basis of bad feelings towards House no matter the outcome of Amber's death.
But he'll be grieving, he'll be in pain. He might not have a rational basis for taking it out on House but grief is not rational. Wilson deals with death everyday but not on such a personal level, he's just as human as the people who thank him and the people who take a swing at him. He's capable of letting his emotions cloud what he knows in his head to be true.
Can't House be there for Wilson for once?
WORD. I'm sick of everything bad that happens between them being all Wilson's fault.
And can I just say DrSpaceman, you say everything so perfectly. I, once again, completely agree with you post.
I think that even if Wilson gets angry or bitter towards House, House will let him, and recognize that, for once, how House feels about it is not what's most important.
This is my ideal situation. I want House to be willing to let Wilson take out his anger on him for Wilson's sake. If Wilson can take all that he has over the last four years (not to mention the time following Stacy's first departure) than House can suck it up and do the same for Wilson. I don't want to spend the summer apologizing for Wilson (and if I really feel he's done wrong, I won't but I don't think they're going there) but I'm prepared to have to.
filex1410- 05-18-2008
The thing is Wilson's previous "betrayals" I can only think of lying about the patient reviving with the injection, which he did to prevent House from making hunch diagnosises in future and walking out on him after the MLC overdose, which I thought was his only real choice.
But in those cases and all the other cases of lying on both sides, the fights and debates we have never had a real rift between the two. They basically get up and go on the very next day, strained on one side or the other perhaps, usually both since they are both somehow to blame for the circumstances they are in, but never a real split.
If they can't face or speak to each other after this that will be different.
One of the questions of H/W has always how the trials they suffer through with each other and the extrordinary circumstances that come between them have these two maintained a friendship?
Maybe now we'll get a closer more in-depth look of how they have managed to go forward in the past and by seeing how they come back together in the future.
ETA, I think that even if Wilson gets angry or bitter towards House, House will let him, and recognize that, for once, how House feels about it is not what's most important.
This is my ideal situation. I want House to be willing to let Wilson take out his anger on him for Wilson's sake. If Wilson can take all that he has over the last four years (not to mention the time following Stacy's first departure) than House can suck it up and do the same for Wilson. I don't want to spend the summer apologizing for Wilson (and if I really feel he's done wrong, I won't but I don't think they're going there) but I'm prepared to have to.
But if this winds up just being about House being willing to take abuse from Wilson while he grieves and then Wilson ultimately coming to realize that House was not to blame then the friendship isn't really in jeopardy is it? It's just a matter of time before Wilson comes to his senses.
I'd like to see House care for Wilson for once too. But not in order to win back Wilson's friendship but because he wants to do it for him. Because it is what Wilson needs and deserves and even though House doesn't have to do it he does it anyway. Otherwise House is almost doing it for himself, to get back what Wilson has taken away. For me that is not as interesting.
If however House despite still feeling betrayed by Wilson would eventually be able to put his hurt feelings aside and comfort Wilson in his grief and help him in moving on then House would be making an actual sacrifice (which we know he doesn't do. :wink:) . Putting himself second and being the real friend that Wilson needs. We'll see.
I agree Wilson will be grieving but I don't think that has to include blaming House. Unless Wilson feels that House did something specific that thwarted them saving Amber. Again, we'll see.
Taiga- 05-18-2008
Yes, remember in last year's finale when the patient's heart restarted and restored her to health - even though she was hooked up to a bypass machine??
It seems pretty clear now that the cliffhanger will be what effect Amber's illness/death and how they went about trying to save her has had on House & Wilson's relationship. I do Not think that it will have anything to do with Wilson having any suspicions about the nature of Amber and House's relationship; I think that will be proven to be nothing early on in the episode.
That's what I've been thinking, but the fact is that every episode description we've been given says that what threatens their friendship lies in House's memories of the the hours before the crash. Either they're lying or what happens during Amber's treatment and House's surgery just makes the break worse but doesn't cause it.
I'd like to see House care for Wilson for once too. But not in order to win back Wilson's friendship but because he wants to do it for him. Because it is what Wilson needs and deserves and even though House doesn't have to do it he does it anyway. Otherwise House is almost doing it for himself, to get back what Wilson has taken away. For me that is not as interesting.
So much word! It'd be great to see House stretching as a character. Interesting, like you said.
filex1410- 05-18-2008
In Part Two of the two-part season finale, House remains inhibited by injuries sustained from a bus accident that has also left a victim rapidly deteriorating from a mysterious condition. Clues inside House's head hold the key to a patient's condition, and House's friendship with Wilson is tested beyond limits as murky memories from the bus accident the night before threaten to change their lives forever in the “Wilson’s Heart
I think it can also be read that it is trying to get the key to the patient's condition that tests their friendship. The memories of the bus accident is what threatens to change their lives forever I think deals in part with that in those memories is the key to Amber's illness and without it it leads to her death.
Obviously also among those memories is how and why H/A came together and got on that bus I think it will be important but I wouldn't be surprised now if it was either Amber hiding a secret that House became aware of which may be connected to her illness may be separate from it or some confrontation and possible resolution they reach re. H/W/A.
Which if the sweet thing DS talked of did refer to the finale that could be it.
It could be something that Wilson may not like (meddling by House or Amber on his behalf) but not necessarily directly related to H/W break.
They had to write this so as not to tip the importance of the POTW to Wilson so that may be why the medical mystery doesn't read as being impactful on the freindship. Also to perhaps help play up the H/A affair shown in the promo before that is proven groundless.
or not. :lol:
Plus remember how "happy" House was suppose to be at the W/A fight in LTD, it really didn't happen that way did it.
Promo writer monkeys to the left, Promo TV monkeys to the right. :roll:
LightMyCandle- 05-18-2008
So, apparently they are still aware of Wilson's LLB and were originally going to mention him in the finale. I'm wondering if we can now realistically hope the have him brought up again next season. Maybe in the wake of losing Amber and fighting with House, Wilson gets the PI to track down his brother. It's unlikely, I know.
But in those cases and all the other cases of lying on both sides, the fights and debates we have never had a real rift between the two.
Well, I guess that's a subjective thing because I'd call Tritter a rift and I remember a spoiler calling it something like a friendship ruining wedge, or something to that affect. Unless they leave Wilson out of an episode altogether, it's kind of hard to have him not talk to House at all, they've done it before but one of those, (Airborne) was a special circumstance. And DS has said he knows how dark the show gets when they are at odds. So, I guess I'm not expecting them to just not speak to each other at all unless it's just for an episode or maybe two.
The only other person Wilson has to talk to is Cuddy. Although that might be interesting, while House is getting closer to Cuddy out of his own needs, he also wants updates on how Wilson is doing without having to talk to him.
Taiga- 05-18-2008
The only other person Wilson has to talk to is Cuddy. Although that might be interesting, while House is getting closer to Cuddy out of his own needs, he also wants updates on how Wilson is doing without having to talk to him.
I can't imagine Cuddy putting up with that for long! Hmm, maybe they'll work Cameron in by having her support Wilson if he loses Amber. Having been there and all. Now don't go chucking rotten tomatoes at me, I like Cameron and even if you don't you have to admit she's a naturally caring and sympathetic person.
LightMyCandle- 05-18-2008
even if you don't you have to admit she's a naturally caring and sympathetic person.
I have to admit that she was a naturally caring and sympathetic person but all that went out the window with S3 when she became a raving b*tch who would rather have sex and walk around with a scowl or smug smile on her face than care about anybody but House, JMO and yes, I am still bitter towards her, why do you ask? :D
Don't get me wrong, I would not actively object to Cameron being a friend to Wilson(and I would certainly never chuck rotten tomatoes at you :) )during this. In fact, it would probably ease my hate for her. But unless done carefully, it would ring false to me because I have never seen any evidence that she gives a crap about Wilson. All of their conversations are about House or her and how she handles giving patients/patients families news. At least Cuddy has had two conversations with Wilson that didn't revolve around the H word.
filex1410- 05-18-2008
So, apparently they are still aware of Wilson's LLB and were originally going to mention him in the finale. I'm wondering if we can now realistically hope the have him brought up again next season. Maybe in the wake of losing Amber and fighting with House, Wilson gets the PI to track down his brother. It's unlikely, I know.
But in those cases and all the other cases of lying on both sides, the fights and debates we have never had a real rift between the two.
Well, I guess that's a subjective thing because I'd call Tritter a rift and I remember a spoiler calling it something like a friendship ruining wedge, or something to that affect. Unless they leave Wilson out of an episode altogether, it's kind of hard to have him not talk to House at all, they've done it before but one of those, (Airborne) was a special circumstance. And DS has said he knows how dark the show gets when they are at odds. So, I guess I'm not expecting them to just not speak to each other at all unless it's just for an episode or maybe two.
The only other person Wilson has to talk to is Cuddy. Although that might be interesting, while House is getting closer to Cuddy out of his own needs, he also wants updates on how Wilson is doing without having to talk to him.
Rift was too soft of a word on my part, we have seen those before.
Now though they are talking about a threat to the friendship, then the fall out would need to be more of a divide, a separation at least temporarily. I just think they can't play around this time and have it be like the Tritter arc where Wilson no matter how angry he was at House the next day he was right back with him. At one point he's talking about going to jail for him, the next he walks out on House after the pill stealing and ODing.
The next day or so he's visting him in rehab, sitting behind him in court and bringing him meds to his cell. If this is that kind of threat it will feel like another retread for me.
Because I think it is House who will feel betrayed by Wilson this time that alone should make things more serious and more difficult to heal.
It needs to be something that signficant requiring a new, at least tempered approach perhaps for both H & W towards each other to bring them together again.
I could see Cuddy and members of the both teams trying to encourage them back towards each other, acting as conduits. How they are approached will depend on their separate states of mind, but it gives everyone a chance to help them. A fracture of this kind might require two teams of doctors to mend. :)
Whether or not this is the time House & Cuddy rekindle their relationship or just more place setting it allows them to get closer too.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cameron bring her past experience of losing someone she loved early in life to aid Wilson. I know there is some hate for her and PDH and I had it too the way it was used previously but a more mature, somewhat wiser Cameron could at least be a sympathetic ear for Wilson. He did seem to appreciate what she had been through when they last discussed it in S2. Not unlike Cuddy she was also beastly to Wilson in the Tritter arc and this could be a bit of reparations for both of them in regards to him.
It's everyone be kind to Wilson arc!! :lol:
I’m wondering if the LLB was just going to be a mention here perhaps in the sense that while Wilson doesn’t actually know his fate, he seems to be the only person that Wilson loved that he has lost before. The PI looking for LLB isn’t a bad idea because really what else would this guy be doing in a hospital for an arc. Maybe it is a situation where now Wilson is prepared to find out the definitive answer on what happened to his brother instead of just hoping that he might still return someday.
Taiga- 05-18-2008
It makes sense to me. My cousin reacted to the death of her two-year-old by tracking down her estranged father.
My personal favourite way for Cuddy and the ducklings and ducks to get House and Wilson back together is to lock them on their balcony for an episode. (Hey, we haven't seen the balcony in a long time have we?) Cuddy would have the team waiting below with a safety net in case one throws the other off. At some point House's Vicodin bottle would be tossed over, then at some point his cane. Slash writers would write a different ending where their clothes are thrown off too.
filex1410- 05-18-2008
It makes sense to me. My cousin reacted to the death of her two-year-old by tracking down her estranged father. That's terribly sad. Did something good come out of it?
My personal favourite way for Cuddy and the ducklings and ducks to get House and Wilson back together is to lock them on their balcony for an episode. (Hey, we haven't seen the balcony in a long time have we?) Cuddy would have the team waiting below with a safety net in case one throws the other off. At some point House's Vicodin bottle would be tossed over, then at some point his cane. Slash writers would write a different ending where their clothes are thrown off too.Blinds closed I hope... or do I? :wink:
I think the road trip may be key and I'd like it to be House's idea.
Sans Serif- 05-18-2008
The PI looking for LLB isn’t a bad idea because really what else would this guy be doing in hospital for an arc and it maybe something now where Wilson is prepared to find out the definitive answer on what happen instead of just hoping that he might still return someday.
It makes sense to me. My cousin reacted to the death of her two-year-old by tracking down her estranged father.
The speech House gave to Evan Greer (Soap Stud) about hiding behind "hope" as an excuse to keep from taking a risk in order to find something real in LTD could be seen as a nice foreshadowing to prodding Wilson to look for LLB. I nominate Stephen Fry to be LLB or the PI, of course (if it hasn't been done already). And for the rumored spinoff to just be code for kidnapping Stephen Fry so that he can tape QI stateside (preferably in NYC).
I'm very excited/shocked to hear that LLB is not forgotten and that clinic patients will return (Donkey Show Mary is a season highlight for me), and am now totally ready to get my hopes up for Season 5 being all things to all people (or at least lots of H/W).
Spoiler-y highlights from the Blogcritics interview (emphasis added to help skim-ability for the @work or ADD-prone; the whole article is interesting though):
So what about Wilson’s long lost brother? Whatever happened to him?” I asked, aware that he has been missing in series’ narrative since the season one episode “Histories” (much to the consternation of die-hard Wilson fans everywhere).
“Actually, at an earlier point in writing the finale, we discussed bringing him up in part two; but it had to be omitted. He’s somebody we’re very aware of,” they agreed.
“He comes up in conversation a lot,” they explained. “But you have to do it properly.” One of the challenges of picking up old threads is that “when we bring up something from four years ago, everyone gets it. We need to find the right way to do so new audiences can understand, while veteran audiences appreciate it, but aren’t the only ones in on it.”
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And at the start of season five, “House is left in a place where can be is more reflective,” suggested Lerner and Friend. In season five, there will be more emphasis on exploring “what makes House tick and getting into more personal stuff.”
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As with many of the series’ fans, Lerner and Friend also have missed those wonderful clinic beats. "Next season,” they promised, “we’re going to try to do more of those. And do more ‘classic’ House episodes. That’s something that got a little bit lost this year.
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So does that mean a ramping up of the sexy non-relationship between House and Dr. Lisa Cuddy? It’s “under discussion” and “possible” were the only bits of information I could coax out of writers Lerner and Friend. And what of that rumored spin off? “Also possible. And in discussion.”
Fox has a clip up on their home page. Click on "Video Clips" - it's the top one.
Also, Global has a promo up on their site. It's the same as the Fox promo, except the Fox graphic at the end is replaced by a shot of House looking a little dazed with helicopter(?) noises in the background. And there's a Canadian doing the voice over, which sounds really weird as it's the same overwrought text we get from Fox, but without dramatic Fox announcer guy.
What, no speculation about House and Wilson from the new clip on the Fox site? No way House is going to have Foreman only run the blood cultures because Wilson is freaked out. Thems is lying eyes. And where's 13? Unlikely, but maybe she did something to get kicked off of the case? I feel the way Kutner looks.
The Canuck version of the W'sH promo is awesome, and not just for (as marykir said) the chance to hear someone about an octave higher reading Overwrought Fox PromoMonkey Text™ (or the pronunciation of Huousssssssssssse) but for the really random keyboard chord (0:06), random "yeaaahyeaah" singing voice (0:20), and then: cue techno music! :lol:
LightMyCandle- 05-18-2008
be like the Tritter arc where Wilson no matter how angry he was at House the next day he was right back with him.
Ah, I think I'm finally getting your meaning. I agree that it can't be an "Im angry at you and I'm walking away" but then have him be there the very next ep. then gone again the ep. after that and so on and so forth. The Tritter arc and aftermath seemed to take a step forward then a step back for a long time.
It's everyone be kind to Wilson arc!!
Oh that's my dream that will never come true, considering we already had the "everyone be nasty to Wilson" arc.
I too, would like the roadtrip to be House's idea and I'm really warming to the idea of him kidnapping Wilson. I wonder where they would go? If it is a case of House planning it out, then maybe he takes him somewhere that has to do with his past (since it's supposed to deal with that anyway). Or maybe he just takes him somewhere fun to try and get things back to normal. But, it could still be about LLB, maybe they find him and Wilson wants to go see him but for whatever reason House tags along. Either way, I think that will be the final "healing" for them in this situation.
I still don't want this to be a situation where Wilson betrays House some way (aside from the not stopping the surgery. Actually, it looks like he's assisting in the surgery) But as I've said before, I want them all to be innocent but you can understand where the hurt feelings are coming from anyway.
DOB1234- 05-18-2008
I’m wondering if the LLB was just going to be a mention here perhaps in the sense that while Wilson doesn’t actually know his fate, he seems to be the only person that Wilson loved that he has lost before. The PI looking for LLB isn’t a bad idea because really what else would this guy be doing in a hospital for an arc.
You're kidding, right? Have you met Gregory House? I'll bet that even on their slowest days the writers could come up with a dozen or so reasons for a PI going after House.
