Ok here is my theory on why Amber and House were on the bus together.
Assuming that Wilson really was in the bar earlier with House and that Amber really does care about Wilson: What if Wilson was worried about why House was getting drunk so early in the evening but is called back to the hospital on a case. So He called Amber to tell her he would be working late and mentioned what was going on with House and that he was worried. Amber being House 2.0 decided to find out for herself what was going on and when House being House tried to get away from her by getting on the bus she followed him not willing to let the mystery go.
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
Maybe this whole season was a hallucination.
A lot of people speculated the same thing about last season too. If the whole bus accident turns out to be a hallucination, I'll be p*ssed. If the whole season is a hallucination, I'll probably stop watching. An ep. or two is one thing but an entire season being in someone's ming is such a complete waste, IMHO. It's a setback because now everybody has to go back to how they were a year ago because any growth was false.
407- 05-14-2008
LE - "Oh. That’s really interesting because he ends up risking his own life in order to access his own mind, and none of the other people can do what he does, so they’re all willing to kind of participate in that risk."
Well, that's something. All of them are willing to go along with the surgery?
This is all making my head spin, just so you know.
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
All of them are willing to go along with the surgery?
I'm betting that is the case. I think the only one who might object to would be Cameron but I can definately buy the rest of them going along with it, albeit reluctanly.
to21be- 05-14-2008
Somebody here mentioned the set pictures from early April (see here). I still wonder whether these scenes belong to the finale. It's outside and involves House and Foreman, but there's not much more to see or guess.
In the promo stills for "Wilson't Heart" House is wearing the same clothes as in the pics from the outside shoot. Also, the pics were taken April 8th, which is just about around the time they were shooting for the finale, by way of checking the promo stills' meta data dates, which are March 21st, 31st and April 1st (for "House's Head") and April 16th, 24th, 28th (for "Wilson's Heart").
So it's a good bet, that that particular scene is coming next week.
I have to quote myself here, because I've changed my mind. On second inspection the set pics show not only Hugh wearing the same clothes as at the ending of "House's Head"; Omar is wearing the same suit and tie as well. I just didn't notice, because he's wearing a black coat over it, which makes it look like a different suit.
Which means the scene they were shooting there is actually the bus passenger reenactment from the end of "House's Head". Those scenes were shot outside on location. And House already has his new light brown cane that was visible in the set photos in that scene!
Furthermore, does the fact that House is wearing the same clothes in both episodes mean, that even after collapsing on the bus and having to be resuscitated, House still goes on? :shock:
Taiga- 05-14-2008
Being boyfriend and former employee doesn't automatically give them legal right to take over Amber's treatment, does it? As soon as Wilson says "her name is Amber Volakis", she is not a Jane Doe anymore and there might be family who have the right to decide her treatment.
Maybe Wilson will claim she's his wife, and they'll believe him because every woman in Princeton is his wife! ;) Besides, if we've learned anything it's that patients at PPTH never have family or friends.
We've heard mentions of "series changing surgery." What if, after seeing Wilson devastated by Amber's potential death/death, House decides to have his leg amputated? This would mean his life expectancy would change and he would no longer have to live on Vicodin. It would inevitably make his relationship w/ Wilson better; Wilson would no longer feel like he is an enabler.
I like the idea of House trying this, and thought that's what it may be earlier, but now I think the surgery is whatever they're doing to his head that makes him seize.
Okay, here's a new theory. In the promo we see "drugs" emphasized on the whiteboard. House likes to drug people. What if Amber is sick from something House gave her, and he doesn't know because he can't remember doing it? Now I don't believe for one minute that he would deliberately harm her, but maybe she had a bad reaction or it's making her sick combined with her injuries. Or the drugging was accidental. Maybe, whether House drugged her or she's been drugging herself, it will tie back to 'Alone' where the building collapse victim was sick because they were unknowingly 1) giving her drugs that interacted with her medication and 2) deprived her of a drug (alcohol) her body needed.
nomad1328- 05-14-2008
I have to quote myself here, because I've changed my mind. On second inspection the set pics show not only Hugh wearing the same clothes as at the ending of "House's Head"; Omar is wearing the same suit and tie as well. I just didn't notice, because he's wearing a black coat over it, which makes it look like a different suit.
Which means the scene they were shooting there is actually the bus passenger reenactment from the end of "House's Head". Those scenes were shot outside on location. And House already has his new light brown cane that was visible in the set photos in that scene!
Furthermore, does the fact that House is wearing the same clothes in both episodes mean, that even after collapsing on the bus and having to be resuscitated, House still goes on? :shock:
Doesn't House always pretty much wear the same thing though? However, I did just notice that in the final scene of H's H, Cuddy is wearing the same gray shirt that is seen in the promo photos where she's holding House's hand. And Wilson is wearing the same tie. So it does look like despite killing himself (again... which, btw, I have no problem with whatsoever) House does go on. And as much as I can figure, H's H pretty much took course over one night/morning. So it would make sense that W's H does the same.
filex1410- 05-14-2008
A looong winder with a day's worth of thoughts on 44 munites of upcoming Television. :lol:
Regarding how House's surgery may come about and the ramifications for H/W
From the promo only spoiler thread. I wonder if we're going to be getting shoutouts back to House's behavior in both "97 Seconds" and "You Don't Want to Know" dealing with how he ignores his own well being just to solve a mystery, and how Wilson disapproved of it then -- and of course he disapproved of House's actions in "HH," only for the irony of potentially asking House to do something risky for Amber.
And along those same lines, if Wilson doesn't want House to do whatever it is, but House still does, will this come back to what Amber told Wilson in "Living the Dream" in which she said he has to take care of himself? Will Wilson for his own emotional protection seek to put some barrier between himself and the risk loving House?
I thought one of these two scenrios is likely to be crux of the threat to H/W. This was my reply with some additional thoughts
For someone who has repeatedly risked his life for what at times seemed like meaningless and/or unattainable knowledge, why not do it now to again solve the puzzle and hopefully to save the love of the person that he loves. But if Wilson doesn't encourage him to do it or warns him not to could it be one risk too many of House's for Wilson to have to handle, especially while watching Amber suffer through no fault of her own.
It could force Wilson to detach from House in future.
Alternatively Wilson has spent so much time over the years trying to get House to take care of himself and confronting him on it when he hasn't that to now have to ask him to take a hugh risk will likely twist him up inside, but feeling that it is Amber's only hope he thinks he has to do it to get her any chance at all. Although if this happens and no matter what the outcome I can't see Wilson being anything but grateful for House doing it and wanting to protect House more than ever in the future.
If Wilson does ask House to chance his health and life to save Amber again no matter what the outcome, House may feel that for the first time Wilson no longer has his best interest at heart. It’s a version of House/Stacy in 3 Stories. Stacy insisting that House have an operation that could cripple him in order to save his life. Now Wilson wants House to take that same risk, this time to his brain, for Amber.
House may feel betrayed by Wilson who ask his best and only friend of 12 - 20 years (MMV) to jeopardize himself to save a woman that while Wilson loves her he has only been with for 3 - 4 months and based on his relationship experience could be over with in a year or two.
Then House could be the one to move away from Wilson.
Last possibility, House refused the procedure earlier but now has to have it for his own good. In doing so he does access the clue that could have benefited Amber, but it is now too late to help Amber. That could be the reason for the tear. Wilson may have already walked away because of House's refusal to do this earlier. Or Wilson didn't ask House to do it but when House, in order to explain what happened to Amber, let's Wilson know that he did figure it out with the help of the surgery but coming too late then Wilson walks at that point disappointed and angry that House wouldn't have taken that risk on his own when it would have mattered more.
I'm beginning to think the most likely is either Wilson asking House to have the surgery or Wilson not stopping Cuddy and the others from asking House to have the surgery. (Reminiscent of when everyone wanted Wilson to take the hits for House from Tritter so House could be protected no mater the damage to Wilson.) House will feel abandoned by Wilson and detach from him. This further opens the doors for Huddy as House will need someone in his life.
The next is that Wilson doesn't want House to risk the surgery and when House goes ahead Wilson will become more skittish of being around him for fear of losing him especially after already losing Amber.
Last House postpones the surgery, eventually has to have it to save himself and Wilson regardless of whether he did or didn't ask House to have the surgery for Amber's sake is angry that the answer came to late because House waited when it was the right thing to do for everyone all along.
Looking for items that could link the four episodes together re. the H/W/A triangle.
NMMNG: Wilson will not choose between House an Amber when it comes to dividing his time. Cuddy is chosen to make the call.
LTD: Amber tells Wilson to make the choice of mattress when Wilson chooses the one he knows she prefers she becomes angry and disappointed. She wants Wilson to choose what he wants so has not to come to resent her. She can take care of herself and wants Wilson to take care of himself.
H’s H: Amber makes only one appearance to House and says of Wilson he’s concerned about you why does that make him insecure.
That could actually fit Wilson re. House, Wilson re. Amber and House re. Wilson.
W’s H: The culmination of the above episode happenings
Wilson seems to be in a situation where he has to choose between possible help for Amber by endangering House.
Can he choose between them when both their health and lives are at stake? In a situation where Amber can not take care of herself will he do what he thinks she would want or if it's different, what he wants.
If forced to choose between Amber and House, What does Wilson want?
Wilson seeks comfort from Cuddy, does Cuddy have to be the one to decide who takes what risk because Wilson can/or will not.
RE. Possible hint on surroundeing events of Amber & House meeting before the accident
In NMMNG Amber says to House, "You’re either afraid I’ll make him miserable or make him happy or you just can’t help screwing with everything that moves. So either I have to break up with Wilson or stop you. Which do you think I’ll choose?'
While things were calm in the triangle during LTD perhaps Amber was still looking for a way to stop House from causing trouble in future and somehow meet up with him by accident on purpose. Long shot and still can’t fathom what the actual details would be.
Last thing, I thought maybe that little head nod with tightly closed mouth Wilson gives in thepromo may not be to House saying to him "You want me to risk my life for Amber." but instead to agreeing to let the team go to Amber's place and look through their stuff. In a sense violating their privacy, allowing the team to investigate Amber, without her permission, and their relationship with the idea of coming up with something that could help her but be damaging to their relationship.
I guarantee they will not be stealing Amber from PG! For all anyone cares about my guarantee. :lol:
Whatever technicality they use to transfer her, professional courtesy, no legal next of kin, Wilson next thing, worsening condition PG can't figure out or all of the above, she will go to PPTH legally.
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
I thought maybe that little head nod with tightly closed mouth Wilson gives in thepromo may not be to House saying to him "You want me to risk my life for Amber." but instead to agreeing to let the team go to Amber's place and look through their stuff. In a sense violating their privacy, allowing the team to investigate Amber, without her permission, and their relationship with the idea of coming up with something that could help her but be damaging to their relationship.
Hmm, while I don't think Wilson's nod is in response to House's question, he seems very reluctant to nod and I can't imagine that a) he'd have that much of a problem with the newbies searching their apartment if Amber's life is on the line and b) that anyone would even ask his permission to search it, except maybe Foreman or 13.
Great point about Wilson having to choose/inability to choose/unwillingness to choose. I think that's definately going to come into play. Had LTD not aired, I would say that Wilson would have to choose since he didn't in NMMNG. But then in LTD he did choose what he wanted but it turned out that that wasn't what he really wanted after all. I wonder if that aspect comes into play.
All the spec. about why House would distance himself from Wilson is good and plausible (assuming it's him that does the distancing) except don't the spoilers said that the "murky memories" are what threatens their friendship? That leads me to believe that whatever it is that puts their friendship on the line is directly related to what happened between House and Amber, not the events that follow, though they will most certainly be trying as well.
filex1410- 05-14-2008
the synopsis wording is tricky but it says, Clues inside House's head hold the key to a patient's condition, and House's friendship with Wilson is tested beyond limits as murky memories from the bus accident the night before threaten to change their lives forever in the “Wilson’s Heart
The key to the patient's condition being locked in House's head could be read as the test beyond limits. How far is either House or Wilson willing to push to save Amber / protect House. The murky memories seem to be what changes lives. Of course as you say LMC they will all wind up being wrapped up in each other. Since I have no idea what the H/A memories will ultimately be I went with the H/W/A theories of which I obviously have too many. :lol:
Since it is Kutner and 13 that appear to be in Amber's apartment and since I think 13 in particular would be sensitive to invading the privacy of someone who has just taken catastrophically ill I thought they would go to Wilson to ask him. Not that they wouldn’t go even if he said no but just to keep him in the loop and be upfront about what is happening. To give Wilson, a colleague, a superior really, the consideration they don't give a patient they don't know and will likely never see again.
Taiga- 05-14-2008
Looking for items that could link the four episodes together re. the H/W/A triangle.
NMMNG: Wilson will not choose between House an Amber when it comes to dividing his time. Cuddy is chosen to make the call.
LTD: Amber tells Wilson to make the choice of mattress when Wilson chooses the one he knows she prefers she becomes angry and disappointed. She wants Wilson to choose what he wants so has not to come to resent her. She can take care of herself and wants Wilson to take care of himself.
H’s H: Amber makes only one appearance to House and says of Wilson he’s concerned about you why does that make him insecure.
That could actually fit Wilson re. House, Wilson re. Amber and House re. Wilson.
W’s H: The culmination of the above episode happenings
Wilson seems to be in a situation where he has to choose between possible help for Amber by endangering House.
Can he choose between them when both their health and lives are at stake? In a situation where Amber can not take care of herself will he do what he thinks she would want or if it's different, what he wants.
If forced to choose between Amber and House, What does Wilson want? filex, have I told you lately what a genius you are?
This would tie in with the ongoing theme this season of Wilson feeling responsible for everything and Wilson being in control of his relationship with House. If Wilson tells House to risk his life to save Amber, House will do it. (I still say that he'd do it anyway, but he'd especially do it if Wilson told him to).
We could really learn what Wilson is made of, and what is in Wilson's heart.
travin1- 05-14-2008
H’s H: Amber makes only one appearance to House and says of Wilson he’s concerned about you why does that make him insecure.
That could actually fit Wilson re. House, Wilson re. Amber and House re. Wilson.
Great post filex! And along with what you said...House re. Amber too, because look at what he goes through to remember it's her. And Amber re. House if you think waaayyy back to 97 seconds. She saved his life.
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
Okay so the wide shot in the promo of Wilson holding Amber has all the monitors covered up, as does another shot of her lying on the bed by herself (eyes closed) and Wilson holding his hand up to his face, not facing her (perhaps someone else is in there now? Cuddy or House? Maybe this is where the "I'm so sorry" comes in). I'm betting that she dies while he's holding her (and they know it's coming, hence the holding and the monitors covered up) and she also doesn't look like she's responding to him kissing her (which if I had any strength left and RSL was kissing me, I'd definately be kissing back.) So, I think this scene is close to the end of the episode but after House's surgery.
filex1410- 05-14-2008
Aww thanks, Taiga keep stroking. The ego loves it!
I'm trying to do the same with the House/Amber moments but I can't draw a conclusion on what if any of it connects to their missing time together.
Still working it.
Much obliged also to travlncarrie.
Not sure on the concern of Amber to House, that was really for that one moment and was never true again and doesn't seem to be currently true. Maybe W's H will shed more light on that.
House to Amber was never true before the bus accident, we'll see if its still true now or it's still more House concerned for Wilson.
I probably could have said Amber to Wilson too. Her concern could be seen as partly from being insecure about being treated like one of the wives.
I guess it really works for all of them to each other even if it's in varying degrees. Must be what makes a good triangle.
Taiga- 05-14-2008
We saw in NMMNG where Wilson's loyalty to Amber came before that to House.
I'm not sure whose voice it is who says "I'm so sorry" at the end of the promo.
I'm betting that she dies while he's holding her.
There are worse ways to go.