Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

How so? I'm just curious, I agree that there's nothing sexual or romantic between Wilson and Cuddy (they just don't have that spark) but how did that speech solidify that fact to you? I also have never seen any interest between Cuddy and Wilson. It's the whole tone of the scene and what they say to each other. Neither shows a hint of any romantic inclination, in a sense they dismiss each other as potential love interests. If there was even a remnant of feeling on Cuddy’s part I suspect she would be either a tad jealous (House) or a bit gentler. Instead equating it to a terminal diagnosis, Cuddy without actually being mean; labels his latest choice a monster, twice. Then gives her unvarnished version of his love life in general by picking at their fatal flaws, that apparently he’s incapable of seeing, summing up the whole thing will destroy him. Saying what she had to, she apologizes and calmly walks way. No emotional residue over and done. To me no way you could ever go from that speech to thinking and if it doesn’t work out maybe we should give it a go. Wilson mentions Amber’s appealing qualities; never concerned that Cuddy shares them too so he might be hurting her feelings since he never pursued her despite several opportunities. There is simply no there, there for either one of them. At best they are colleagues and friends. BTW, No offense to anyone, because many have made the point, but I am officially deaf to the idea that because FOX is RM owned that TPTB at House will have their storyline hands tied. RM has one big overriding interest, making money. As long as that's happening I don't think he cares a bit. House is FOX’s only top rated drama and by S6 which I suspect would be the earliest we would get an actual relationship between H/W the show will be too close to what will probably be the end for it to matter any way. Nobody is going to protest or boycott or pull ads or episodes because they will just look silly. If the show was allowed to pursue its current storyline it can take a few steps further and it doesn’t have to turn into Queer as Folks to do it either. I really think that any potential fuss is just nonsense and if it doesn't happen it will be because DS & Co. have something else up their sleeves (which I think would be crazy but it‘s their show) not because the puppet master pulled the strings. /end rant Maybe Wilson will finally get his own apartment. That seems more likely than his just moving back in with House. I agree. As much as I'd love to see Wilson move back in with House, I think it would be better and healthier for him to have his own place. I think he needs to be able to stand on his own two feet without the the benefit that a hotel gives you, that it's just temporary until he can move in with someone else. He's a very co-dependent person and I want him to be okay and stable on his own. Plus, like I said, if they're really moving towards H/W (and that's a big IF) I think it's still got a long ways to go before they get there. I also would like to see Wilson get his own home it’s ridiculous a grown man who cannot establish this part of his life. It’s weird but since Wilson split from Julie he’s been “homeless” is that some LLB connection? Maybe TPTB haven't forgotten.

Big WORD for your rant, filey! I have a hard time picturing Mr. Murdoch as a champion of "morality" in any kind of media... Taiga wrote: it's not canon that Wilson's wives were the ones who left, is it? No, it's not. Nevertheless, there are little clues - or at least they are clues to me. With Julie, besides that she was the one having the affair, is the fact that Wilson went to House and took about two weeks to cave and look for a lawyer. House was right, he was pretending it was just a fight. So no matter how crappy the marriage was, he seemed willing to give it another try. I suspect with Bonnie was the same. She got tired of his absence and ended the marriage. They remained in good terms after the divorce, something I can't see happening if Wilson was the one who left. About wife #1 we know nothing, but if she was the wife when he met that elusive someone who made him feels funny and he confessed, she was probably the one who asked for the divorce. Taiga wrote: What I'm wondering is the significance of having Wilson move in with Amber. filey wrote: It could be a sign that despite Wilson saying he has broken the pattern in his relationships he is in fact still following one of letting himself get to quickly and deeply involved. Exactly. He seems to live in the Limbo, until some distress woman rescues him and takes him home where he feels useful again. He seems a male version of the Sleeping Beauty, who needs a kiss to come back to life... Until he breaks that spell and decide his own life for himself, I won't see any growth. filex wrote: I also have never seen any interest between Cuddy and Wilson. Me neither. What surprised me in that rant from Cuddy is how little concerned about Wilson she seems. Does she know Amber so well to predict that she's evil and will destroy him? The fact that he seems happy doesn't make any difference? Only House's well-being - having Wilson only to himself - is it what she's taking into account? I really want to think that Cuddy sees Wilson as a friend, but her actions always make me doubtful...

Does she know Amber so well to predict that she's evil and will destroy him? Cuddy knows that Amber was the Cut Throat Bitch. She knew that Amber was lying and trying to work an angle on her the first time she met her (when Amber was trying to get out of grave digging duty.) She knows enough about Amber that she wanted her fired when she worked with Cole during pantygate. She didn't think that Amber "gives a crap about people," which was the phrase she used in telling House to hire Thirteen. So judging from that history, is it any surprise she expects the worst from Amber? And we've seen Cuddy and Wilson in friendly situations often enough (the gallery, post-theater) that to me it's clear that she doesn't want him hurt.

Namaste wrote: is it any surprise she expects the worst from Amber? Not really, but all the situations that you described were professional situations, she knows nothing about Amber personal side. And I'd said that even from the professional side, she only knows superficially. Maybe I was supposed to see her approach to Wilson as concern, but I didn't. She made her speech - a funny one - and went away, like her mission was accomplished. I have no doubt she doesn't want Wilson getting hurt, though not because she is a personal friend, but because it will mess with House and with her hospital. I do think they have a friendly relationship, but I don't see them as good friends outside the work - the gallery date and the play don't seem to have deepened the connection between them. It's still all about House.

I do think they have a friendly relationship, but I don't see them as good friends outside the work ITA, they're friends but not really close friends, I have several friends like Wilson and Cuddy are friends, it's nice that they're there but I'm not too terribly concerned with them outside of the professional time I spend with them. I thought that Cuddy's first line in her speech to Wilson, "Are you sure she doesn't want to just take you back to her lair, hang you upside down and deposit her eggs in you?" sounded concerned, not on any deep level but concerned none the less. And I see where you're coming from filey, it makes sense.

I also see where you're coming from, filey. I guess my years of indoctrination by Fry & Laurie, Jon Stewart, and turning off Fox News in disgust have taught me to think otherwise. Oh well, YMMV. I think Wilson and Cuddy consider each other more allies than friends. They're both working together towards one goal - keeping House stable. I also think Wilson is attracted to Cuddy, but he knows better than to really, truly actively pursue something, and I seriously doubt Cuddy would let him get further than her office door if he strolled downstairs with such intentions in mind.

we've seen Cuddy and Wilson in friendly situations often enough (the gallery, post-theater) that to me it's clear that she doesn't want him hurt. But what struck me about her speech in DEC was that it was the first time we've ever seen her act as a friend to him. Outside their alliances to help/manage House, their interactions have always been about Wilson being a friend to her and not the other way around. She made her speech - a funny one - and went away, like her mission was accomplished. Well, I'm not sure what else she should have done. I want to see Wilson in his own home too, but if they were going there why wouldn't they have done it before now? They had the perfect opportunity when they made his second wife a real estate agent. Unless a break-up with Amber is what motivates him to do it.

About wife #1 we know nothing, but if she was the wife when he met that elusive someone who made him feels funny and he confessed, she was probably the one who asked for the divorce. Great pick up on W#1 Lully. Since Wilson said he told “them” its likely that one time when Bonnie asked why he had to spend so much time with House that Wilson broke and said because he prefered to be with him. That may have been how he hurt her. As recently as Frozen Wilson also thinks all of the wives hate him although House's just as recent phone calls confirm they do not. If they hold no grudge it also makes it slightly more likely that they all ultimately left him. Although I’m sure Wilson blames himself as he probably should. Namaste wrote: is it any surprise she expects the worst from Amber? Not really, but all the situations that you described were professional situations, she knows nothing about Amber personal side. And I'd said that even from the professional side, she only knows superficially. Maybe I was supposed to see her approach to Wilson as concern, but I didn't. She made her speech - a funny one - and went away, like her mission was accomplished. I have no doubt she doesn't want Wilson getting hurt, though not because she is a personal friend, but because it will mess with House and with her hospital. I do think they have a friendly relationship, but I don't see them as good friends outside the work - the gallery date and the play don't seem to have deepened the connection between them. It's still all about House. Cuddy seems to have a pretty good insight into people probably why administration is her strong suit. How people are professionally is usually a big clue as to how they are personally. People are rarely very different in the two roles. Certainly on this show we have seen that how a person is in their professional life often mirrors how they are in their personal one and vice a verse Cuddy observed things about Amber coupled with her own observations about Wilson and relayed them to Wilson in way she thought he needed to hear it. ITA that Cuddy foremost got involved in W/A because of House’s concern and if it effects House it can affect her hospital. But also she has no reason to want to see Wilson hurt. I think she does think of him as a friend, if not a very close one. He's also an important if not irreplaceable employee as well. And she spoke to him in the same way that earlier she spoke to Cameron, issuing a warning and then leaving them to it. Cuddy and Wilson appreciate certain qualities in each other and don’t appreciate others. If it weren’t for House they would have nowhere near the dealings that have with each other now, they’re colleagues/friends in-law. They each have a significant relationship with the same person which is the cornerstone of their relationship, pull that away and you have nothing. And I see where you're coming from filey, it makes sense.Oh good. :sweatdrop: I guess if I was going for succinct I could have just said that speech was a bridge burner. I also see where you're coming from, filey. I guess my years of indoctrination by Fry & Laurie, Jon Stewart, and turning off Fox News in disgust have taught me to think otherwise. Oh well, YMMV. Yes YMMV. But one word of advice re. FOX NEWS :devil:, never turn it on again. NEVER! I also think Wilson is attracted to Cuddy, I think Wilson can and does appreciate that Cuddy is an attractive woman, but that’s very different than him actually being attracted to her. I don’t see it at all. Again YMMV. New spoiler, episode 14 w/ the Soap Opera Hunk is titled, Living the Dream. Now what dream might House be living. Hmmm, Getting the attention of, then tending to, a handsome young man for whom only House knows what is best. :wink:

I like to think that Cuddy and Wilson are allies professionally outside of House as well, that they have the same vision for the hospital and philosophy about medicine, but I don't think there's any canon for it. I just like to think it. Now what dream might House be living. Hmmm, Getting the attention of, then tending to, a handsome young man for whom only House knows what is best. It does amuse me that it's a male actor that House is watching so closely and interested in treating!

Taiga wrote: I'm not sure what else she should have done. I don't think she should have done anything else either. Like I said, her mission was accomplished. She gave him her opinion and moved on, I just didn't feel any real friendly concern at that point. Maybe her arbitrate role will show that she actually cares about Wilson on a more personal level. We'll see. filex wrote: Cuddy seems I have a pretty good insight into people probably why administration is her strong suit. How people are professionally is usually a big clue as to how they are personally. I can see your point and I agree to some degree, yet I still think it was a very harsh judgement about someone she only knew for approximately two months, and who was under a very peculiar job interview. None of the things that Amber did during the "game" were evil or specially cruel. She also didn't kill - involuntarily, I know - any patient or cute dog, by the way... And she spoke to him in the same way that earlier she spoke to Cameron And here you point out my main problem with that whole conversation... Wilson wasn't supposed to be seen in the same level as Cameron. He may not be her best friend, but he is more than an simple employee. He is her best ally after all, so she should treat him that way. filex wrote: I think Wilson can and does appreciate that Cuddy is an attractive woman, but that’s very different than him actually being attracted to her. I don’t see it at all. ITA. And the same thing can be said about Cuddy. Let's not forget that Wilson seemed to be her first option for a sperm donor. At some level she must find him attractive - she is not blind... - which doesn't mean that she wants to have a romantic relationship with him. I know this subject is completely OT and I promise to shut up, really... About the dream House might live... I agree, Taiga. It's kind of funny that a guy who claims he doesn't notice male beauty is paying so much attention to that actor... It really makes you wonder...

It does amuse me that it's a male actor that House is watching so closely and interested in treating!And if the actor turns out to be gay, I will die and go to heaven. :angel: After all we are waaay over due for another gay male POTW. Or gay male anything for that matter. Except of course for subtext to text, we be swimming in that. Gay men POTW 2 Lesbian POTW 4 Equal rights now! ETA, correction on tally provided by DallasFan. I can see your point and I agree to some degree, yet I still think it was a very harsh judgement about someone she only knew for approximately two months, and who was under a very peculiar job interview. None of the things that Amber did during the "game" were evil or specially cruel. She also didn't kill - involuntarily, I know - any patient or cute dog, by the way... True but Amber did taunt her competition who was responsible for those deaths by leaving a dog leash around where she could see it. That seemed cruel to me and I'm no fan of 13. And people often reveal their true nature when they are under stress. Plus if Cuddy doesn't know Amber after only two months of observing her what does that say about Wilson who has moved in with her after 4 weeks! (Granted slow for him but still ridiculous) Again I think Cuddy is meant to be a quicker and better study of people then Wilson because its part of her job and she is not emotionally involved in the way he is. And she spoke to him in the same way that earlier she spoke to Cameron And here you point out my main problem with that whole conversation... Wilson wasn't supposed to be seen in the same level as Cameron. He may not be her best friend, but he is more than an simple employee. He is her best ally after all, so she should treat him that way. I can't argue that Cuddy often doesn't take Wilson into consideeration the way she should. Here though there is a difference. With Cameron she basically warned her of the dangers of an office romance that could turn sour and prompt a firing. She did not get into the personalities or proclivities of either Cameron or Chase and how that would affect the likelihood that their relationship would succeed. It was more of a professional warning. With Wilson she took no prisoners, she was direct and personal but avoided being mean. She really took a bigger risk with Wilson getting involved in his personal life because I think she feels he is running a great risk of getting used or hurt and she would like to see him avoid that. Granted there was no professional angle to deal with but she could have presented herself merely as an emissary of House's concerns and kept her own thoughts out of it. Okay I'll stop being OT too. For now. :wink:

Okay, so here's a thought - What if House and Amber set up a "schedule" of sorts on how Wilson divides his time? Then, one of them (most likely House) breaks their little deal and crashes the other's time out together, doing something in casual clothing. House suggests that they settle their dispute with witnesses present - Cuddy. House has Cuddy make the call on who she thinks Wilson should be spending his time with, well aware of Cuddy's thoughts on the issue (image of Wilson outline springs to mind). Cuddy surprises House by saying that Wilson should be with Amber, with a laundry list of reasons, including "A disturbingly large proportion of your comments are either racist or sexist." What do you think? Getting warmer! DK, I am interested in how warm is warmer in regard to the bolded part. I am asking because the title for the following episode is "Living the Dream" And unfortunately where my brain immediately went it to is Mrs. Wilson #4. Please, please quiet my fears and say it ain't so. Tell me I am so off-track, I must be thinking about another show.

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