Actually there've been a number of articles suggesting that better outcomes in surgery result from emplying intensiviists on the surgical team.
As far as Cameron, I googled and found a lot of docs who practice immuno and emergency medicine. I can sorta see that a lot of folks come into the ER with allergic and environmental/toxicological symptoms which spur an immunogical response. She could be helpful in diagnosing such things that might escape another practicioner.
Maybe, but Cameron's not good at crisis medicine. An ER is the last place I'd stick her.
As for Chase: Now Chase I could see in the ER. It's a total waste of the best diagnostician on the team to stick him in a field where diagnostics wouldn't be of great value. If it's a case of him being the intensivist assigned to surgical teams, that's one thing. But if they're actually putting him into surgery (which would bust him down to resident status), that's ludicrous. And a complete waste of the storyline they sent him down last season.
I'm...worried about this whole shake-up. Or maybe it's more the writer's abilities to carry it off. House doesn't exactly have a great track record with long-running story arcs (I still cringe at the Tritter mess).
bailey- 08-31-2007
Maybe, but Cameron's not good at crisis medicine. An ER is the last place I'd stick her.
As for Chase: Now Chase I could see in the ER. It's a total waste of the best diagnostician on the team to stick him in a field where diagnostics wouldn't be of great value.
Just out of curiosity, Sherlock21 why do we assume that Cameron isn't good at crisis medicine? Is there anything on the show that indicates that? In the pilot we see that she responds very quickly, ahead of Chase, even, to get Rebecca out of the MRI when she's asphyxiating. In "No Reason" we see her following House down to the ER with her hand on his wound the whole way.
Similarly, I'm not sure the ER is the best place for someone considered to be an excellent diagnostician. The ER is a place for emergencies, usually traumatic. It's not a place that people usually go when they have something weird and undiagnosable; unless they have no health insurance and have been putting off every other symptom along the way.
Either way, I'm more interested in WHY Cameorn and Chase are in these positions. I don't think we're meant to assume that these are the only jobs they could get---so why are they putting themselves in situations that are so different from where they came from?
Ranee- 08-31-2007
With Chase we've at least got some basis to see him in the surgical setting, we've seen him do a lot of the proceedures in the past, some by himself (including fairly complicated ones), assisting on the biger stuff & frequently he's the one doing the post-op care. And we've also seen him in the OR observing even when he's not actually involved (Autopsy maybe IIRC? he sees the bleed in the eye during surgery; Humpty-Dumpty he's the one who spots the issue with the second hand), so I could easily fanwank that he's skilled in this area & has an interest in developing further based on him sitting in on proceedures frequently already. Plus adding diagnostic skills to surgery post-op would help reduce complications so I could see it making sense if its told skillfully.
Cameron, yes we've seen her in high pressure situations successfully, but we've also seen her screw up in them - there's a couple of instances where she doesn't even read the monitors correctly when a patient is crashing & Chase & others correct her. And having someone in the ER as a conduit to funnel cases to House is a retread of Forever when Chase was down in the ER so I'm not much interested in seeing that again.
extra_cat- 08-31-2007
From what I've read about intensivist training, they have some kind of focus prior to critical care (pulmonology, anesthesiology, nephrology, etc.) and surgery is one of the possibilities. It's possible that Chase focused on surgery and critical care prior to diagnostics. And he didn't start med school at twelve. He was actually seven. :blink:
DIY Sheep- 09-01-2007
I think Cuddy might have offered Cam and Chase jobs:
a - because they are good doctors (not only all round, but being House trained they would also be diagnostically able to notice stuff in any department - every doctor should be a diagnostician) and
b - she feels guilty about House pissing them off.
sweet fern- 09-01-2007
I wonder if Foreman gets canned for being too House-like at his new job.
If so, I agree I would want it to have more to do with the low success rate than the attitude or methods because if Foreman gets fired for being "too much like House" it'll just be another instance in which he can blame House instead of himself for anything that goes wrong for him. While it would be amusing and perhaps enlightening to see Chase and Cameron get in trouble for being too much like House, I would much, much rather see Foreman taken down while being as unlike House as he can and find that he just doesn't measure up to the job he was hired to do because he refuses to be like House. If that makes sense?
And I thought Cameron and Chase were all the way across the country. Unless the spoilers mean that they're in the ER and Surgery in Arizona.
My first thought was that maybe Cuddy hired them back but let them go on vaction before settling in to their new jobs at PPTH and they always wanted to see the great southwest. Or maybe Chase "working" in Arizona really means he's there for some kind of medical conference thingy or a short-term locum job or something and Cameron came along for vacation... That actually makes more sense to me than what these spoilers seemed to mean before the new ones.... Pure speculation, of course.
blue- 09-01-2007
Could Chase working in surgery and Cameron working in the ER be figments of House's imagination? Didn't we get some info that he'd be imagining them around? That would jive with them being in Arizona, but also not being in Arizona.
Or am I completely insane?
Jouse- 09-01-2007
Have we had any spoilers re:writers for the next season, besides DE for 402 and presumably PB(:heart:) for 401?
Do we know who of the past seasons writers stayed and who left, if any? And are there any new ones? Anything.
sherlock21b- 09-01-2007
Just out of curiosity, Sherlock21 why do we assume that Cameron isn't good at crisis medicine? Is there anything on the show that indicates that? In the pilot we see that she responds very quickly, ahead of Chase, even, to get Rebecca out of the MRI when she's asphyxiating. In "No Reason" we see her following House down to the ER with her hand on his wound the whole way.
Holding pressure over a wound isn't crisis medicine. And in The Pilot, they actually had time to debate what the problem was. In Honeymoon, when confronted with Mark's emergency, Cameron immediately presumes he is having a cardiac episode instead of actually checking the monitors, which would have shown that wasn't the case, and determining that he's having a panic attack and treating it accordingly.
saara_zaara- 09-01-2007
Jouse, I believe there's nothing out there yet about the writers other than eps 1 & 2.
blue, I have a variant on that - Cuddy hires Chase back into surgery at PPTH and doesn't tell House. House catches glimpses of the returning Chase & thinks he's a) hallucinating (& is seriously worried that he's hallucinating Chase of all people) and b) Wilson has dosed him again. Yes, yes? :lol:
In Honeymoon, when confronted with Mark's emergency, Cameron immediately presumes he is having a cardiac episode instead of actually checking the monitors, which would have shown that wasn't the case, and determining that he's having a panic attack and treating it accordingly.
Yes, House corrects her that time. And IIRC there's an s3 ep (W&D maybe?) where she does exactly the same thing again & this time Chase corrects her (which I thought was an interesting reference back as part of the Chase development arc).
DIY Sheep- 09-02-2007
That's an interesting question sweet fern. I wonder why Foreman will be canned?
For being too arogant. He is used to being quite nasty to both House and his collegues. Maybe the new place he works at doesn't like coworkers trying to kill each other.
House tried to get Foreman to stay. I think he knew Foreman wasn't ready to go on his own. He has the brains, but he has yet to get the 'mindset' - bad choice of words - that House has.
Or maybe he killed someone.
sweet fern- 09-02-2007
I have a variant on that - Cuddy hires Chase back into surgery at PPTH and doesn't tell House. House catches glimpses of the returning Chase & thinks he's a) hallucinating (& is seriously worried that he's hallucinating Chase of all people) and b) Wilson has dosed him again. Yes, yes?
Yes, yes, YES!!! I love this scenario! I so hope they do it this way. That would be so perfect in so many ways. And Chase catching glimpses of House spying on him and wonder what the heck is making House look at him as if he's seeing a ghost.... :rofl: Love it!
That's an interesting question sweet fern.
Ooooh! Sheep thought my question was interesting!!!! ~~feels all shiny~~Or maybe he killed someone.
Yeah, after stealing their article and stabbing them with a dirty needle for his own benefit...I'm down with that as long it wasn't acting like House that caused him to kill them...
saara_zaara- 09-02-2007
b - she feels guilty about House pissing them off.
I'm not sure how Cuddy would feel about Cameron, after all she simply quit, but guilty about Chase being fired I could see. They have some relationship we've never really seen (he went to her for help in Forever) & it wouldn't surprise me if part of the angle is Cuddy figuring out a way to get Chase back as an asset to PPTH in his own right to deal with all the patients House won't deal with. Putting him in the surgery dept keeps Chase out of House's orbit regardless of what he's actually doing wrt patients plus as a side benefit Chase's there if/when House finally admits he needs him back on the team.
If Chase & Cameron are still a couple she may be coming with and/or alternatively after the building collapse in ep 1 Cuddy may simply decide having an extra doc in the ER is a good idea, so its a convenient place to put Cameron for the short term. (My personal fanwank is that the Immunology dept doesn't want her ;D)
