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extra_cat- 10-21-2007

Maybe he is doing the rose thing from the Bachelor (IIRC?) - those look like pink roses. Ugh. Can they actually get any tackier? Maybe the writers already went on strike. :?

bailey- 10-21-2007

Maybe he is doing the rose thing from the Bachelor (IIRC?) - those look like pink roses. Ugh. Can they actually get any tackier? Maybe the writers already went on strike. :? My thoughts as well. I'm sure in someone's mind, alluding to all the glorious reality shows of past is "clever." I actually find it "tired." I'm pretty much ready for them to just announce the team, skip the dramatics, and get on with things.

SaphronGirl- 10-21-2007

Somehow, all I can think of is the connection between flowers and graves... doesn't he have them go dig up a corpse?

saara_zaara- 10-21-2007

I actually find it "tired." Me too. Derivative, maybe, is a good word too?

extra_cat- 10-21-2007

I have a few other words: Annoying. Insulting to my intelligence. Boring. Mundane. Unoriginal. Zapping the magic out of my favorite show. Dumbing down the show. Screwing up what worked. DESTRUCTIVE.

LightMyCandle- 10-21-2007

Well, I taking into account that House is evidently lying on Wilson's couch, I guess that's enough to make me watch the whole ep. as opposed to just that scene like I was going to. *sighs* Just when I think I'm out the pull me back in, those brilliant SOBs. Yeah, I'm a little sick of the reality show jokes too but where getting down to the final three, so courage people, it'll be over soon.

galaxygirl- 10-21-2007

Well, I taking into account that House is evidently lying on Wilson's couch, I guess that's enough to make me watch the whole ep. I believe that's Wilson's only scene, so it better be damn good.

extra_cat- 10-21-2007

I believe that's Wilson's only scene, so it better be damn good. I'm so afraid they've decided that the 5 people who helped make the show great don't matter. Well, except for Foreman, of course. After all, he's the only person House respects and the only one who can keep him in line. :tritter:

saara_zaara- 10-21-2007

the only one who can keep him in line. Its a shame Cuddy wasn't watching Chase tell House off. Maybe Cameron can go tell her about it.

vitawash99- 10-21-2007

Actually, I noticed something. The summaries for both Mirror, Mirror and the one with the CIA agent mention that there are six remaining candidates. Typo or something weird happening at the end of Mirror, Mirror? (I would understand if it was the other way around, and House didn't kick someone out when Foreman was running the team, but that seems a little odd.)

LightMyCandle- 10-21-2007

I believe that's Wilson's only scene, so it better be damn good. That's what I'm saying. I doubt anything can top ILU at this point but they had better give me something to work with or else. :tritter:

misere- 10-21-2007

Its a shame Cuddy wasn't watching Chase tell House off. That statement sort of encapsulates why I have no problem with Cuddy offering this new position to Foreman. There is a distinction between clueless and stupid. I think Cuddy may be realistically somewhat clueless, but she is definitely not stupid. We are insiders in this world; we know how the characters think, and we actually tally their growth. Of all the characters, Cuddy is the most like an outsider. I actually don't think that she would realistically know that Chase is the best diagnostician unless she were the most anal of micromanagers. To be honest, I'm not sure if any of the characters (except perhaps House) would realistically know that Chase is the best, including Chase. I don't think that most people are that analytical about their own lives. They usually just live in the moment. But consider what she does know. She may have to justify the creation of such a leadership position to a board. Chase was sued, went before a disciplinary hearing, and has a permanent letter in his file. In the last few months, she found out that he was stupid enough to have sex in the hospital with a coworker. It doesn't matter how brilliant he is at medicine; that incident showed incredibly poor judgment. Then House fired him. I just think putting Chase in a leadership position would be a really hard sell to a board.

idonmatrix- 10-22-2007

But consider what she does know. She may have to justify the creation of such a leadership position to a board. Chase was sued, went before a disciplinary hearing, and has a permanent letter in his file. In the last few months, she found out that he was stupid enough to have sex in the hospital with a coworker. It doesn't matter how brilliant he is at medicine; that incident showed incredibly poor judgment. Then House fired him. I just think putting Chase in a leadership position would be a really hard sell to a board. Hmm. Cuddy is the leader and the most recent disaster happened on her watch. I really hope this willl be more about Cuddy and House's impact on her capacity to lead than Oh gee golly 4man is back - groan :( I don't recall which episode, but Foreman gets into a power struggle with House and Cuddy. I just hope we get enough info about Cuddy so it will all make sense. I really see 4man as a vehicle for exploring Cuddy's increased risk-taking when dealing with House. Oh and about the House/Wilson scene - it better be good and long.

MaryIsobel- 10-22-2007

But consider what she does know. Exactly! (I love this board!) And actually, even if she did know everything we know about Chase and Foreman, what they look like on paper is what she has to go on when hiring someone. Even without anything else like the mistake and the closet sex the fact that House fired him would pretty much rule Chase out of this new "keeper" position wouldn't it? Imagine how that would look: House fired the guy and Cuddy hired him back to keep an eye on House (though that may be her secret agenda--it might officially be something like assistant department head) in a higher position than the one he was fired from? Under the guy who fired him? I can't see that making any kind of administrative sense unless she wanted to demonstrate that she was blatantly undercutting any authority House has over his own department which is not what she wants. Since she had already offered that other new diagnostics position to Foreman, it would make a lot more sense to offer him this one. I can see that as all making sense when presented to the board--we wanted to keep Foreman and offered him the first job but he refused but we have now worked out a position he is willing to take--yay us we got the wonderful Dr. Foreman back; Cuddy wanted to add a position to the Diagnostics Department and hire Foreman for it and she has. Looks simple and explainable from the outside and serves her hidden agenda of appeasing and controlling House. Then there is the matter of that hidden agenda. Sure, Chase is more qualified for and deserves more the new diagnostics position but Foreman really is by far the better candidate for Cuddy's hidden agenda. I don't see Chase at this point letting himself be used in that way (my how he's grown since Vogler!) but Foreman is such a tool (sorry!) he's perfect for the job. Chase admires and emulates House--would he really turn him to Cuddy rather than become a co-conspirator? On the other hand, Foreman is down on House and his shenanigans--he'll be more than eager to find any excuse to run to Cuddy to criticize him. I don't like Cuddy's manipulations (if that's how this plays out) but putting Foreman in that job isn't the mark of stupidity or cluelessness imo.

labrat- 10-22-2007

I don't have much to add concerning why/why not Cuddy hires Foreman for the diagnostics position, but I think the supposition that people in this situation are not analytical, but live in the moment, is not quite the way it is, if my experience in an academic medicine department is in any way typical. I would think that the fellows, at a minimum, are aware of their performance relative to one another and are quite analytical. As in other working environments there's alway time for bitching and worrying about slights, both personal and professional, real and imagined, and people are rather constantly tallying up "scores" in the cut-throat world of academics. Faculty are expected to know the strengths and weaknesses of their trainees, as they very often are expected to write letters of recommendation for other fellowship positions and "real-world" jobs, as well as being required to do semi-annual evals by the ACGME (Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education). I agree in Houseverse, Cuddy would have less information than House and Wilson in regard to the relative strengths of trainees (and peers), but I have no doubt should any of them need to put paper to pen to do reviews/evaluations, the analysis has already been done, whether or not it's been committed to paper. Of course, Houses's fellowship is not an ACGME spnsored fellowship, so I have no doubt that there are no hard copies of evaluations to be found! :D