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blacktop- 09-24-2009

I find great fault in the PTB heartlessly firing an actress who help build show, when we're in the middle of a recession, when she has hundreds of thousands of fans. It is painfully clear that what I heard, as a Cameron fan, were all lies. I blame the writers, I blame the rest of the cast, I blame the online detractors for not acknowledging JMo's great talent (she's a better actress than LE, period, end of story. You can try to argue this, but you'll be wrong). The idea that they would spend more time on 14, on H/C, when THE RATINGS TANKED last year means that the stuff they're doing DOESN'T have potential. It isn't working. I hope the ratings collapse after the Cast (It is obvious that JS lied, HL doesn't have a soul, no one stood up for JM!) and the writers STABBED JMo in the back, I hope the show gets cancelled next season. When the ratings tank, I'll be proven right, I expect an apology, I expect you to admit it. This is satire, right?

Gobblin- 09-24-2009

I would guess thats an angry fan blacktop. On a defensive note, i would argue til i was blue in the face that if it WAS a producer decision to axe her, Hugh would of stood up for her. We don't know the facts yet, my fingers are crossed that the rumours are false....yeah yeah it is nice on my planet. I'm with LL, if Cameron goes...this will be my last season too. Taub, Boreteen, lonely Chase and Huddy angst....i think i'll give that a miss.

radiosweetheart- 09-24-2009

Wow--first of all, Cameron fans-I'm sorry your favorite character isn't going to be around anymore. I can understand your disappointment. Now-with that out of the way-I don't think JMo is much of an asset to the show. Her character ran the gamut of personality from A to B over these 5+ seasons. There's nowhere else for the character to go within the confines of the show This show is called House it's not called "People House Used to Work With." Cameron's unnecessary. Say what you want about Foreman and 13 and I'll probably agree with you, but they still work with House and are still a part of the overall story. The story of House. I really do feel for the Cameron fans, but she wasn't adding anything to House's growth as a character on a TV show about just that.

Chiara- 09-24-2009

Or maybe they don't consider Cameron screwed up enough anymore. :dunno: You know, I think you might be onto something. All the main characters are emotionally crippled and clueless whether it is Gregory "Feelings can kill you, you know ?" House, James "So many damsels in distress, so little time" Wilson, Lisa "Push me, pull you" Cuddy, Eric "I have feelings, but they bore even people with locked-in syndrom" Foreman, Chris "I love my wife, but I love nurses more" Taub, Robert "Self preservation is the key" Chase or Rema "Boys, girls, who cares ? I am going to die anyway" Hardley. It is very possible that Cameron, after she lost her pathological, almost Wilsonian, need to fix everything/everyone around her and dealt with her dead husband's sperm issue, did not have enough emotional abnormalities for the writers to know what to do with her. And given that she no longer works with House, the writers might have thought that Cameron had nothing left to offer them and the show.

extra_cat- 09-24-2009

This is speculation from TV Squad While I have nothing to back this up, I'm guessing this has been in the works for a while and no one - not even Morrison - knew it was coming. A November exit would probably be about maybe, what? The seventh or eighth episode of the season? That likely means this plot was hatched by the writers before the season started shooting, and seeing as how Morrison was part of all the promotional effort for the season, she probably had no reason to suspect that her time was up. Based on this interview with Ausiello from last month, she sure talked like she was sticking around

Gobblin- 09-24-2009

We know that Cam is in episode 9 though.........

LightMyCandle- 09-24-2009

If Chase stays, does that technically make him Kutner's replacement for the team? Though, I can't imagine him staying on the team long after this. Chase isn't stupid and I don't know what House drugs him with to get him on his side (seriously Chase WTF?) but surely he'll come to his senses. I can certainly understand Cameron fans tuning out now that she's going (if it were my favorite character leaving, I'd be gone too. I've done it before.) and I am sorry they had to put up with seeing so little of her in the last two years, especially when the end result is her character getting written out. I just hope they don't bring in a new character in her place. And I really hope Chase doesn't wind up going too. At least Cameron got some chances to shine. Chase, IMO, still needs his big story.

yukiyu- 09-24-2009

Jennifer, wish you the best, hope to see you in the big screen, if that is your choice.. :shock: just hope they dont bring a new character, though at this point, nothing surprises me anymore. :roll:

Bea- 09-24-2009

You know, I think you might be onto something. All the main characters are emotionally crippled and clueless whether it is Gregory "Feelings can kill you, you know ?" House, James "So many damsels in distress, so little time" Wilson, Lisa "Push me, pull you" Cuddy, Eric "I have feelings, but they bore even people with locked-in syndrom" Foreman, Chris "I love my wife, but I love nurses more" Taub, Robert "Self preservation is the key" Chase or Rema "Boys, girls, who cares ? I am going to die anyway" Hardley. That was just hilarious! But now I feel abnormal too ;), since I find Cameron very boring indeed, and am far more interested in all the other characters with their emotional issues (with the exception of Thirteen, mind you!). I am so TPTB's target audience...;) Oh, and I'm personally looking forward to seeing Chase's selfish side again.

wintertide- 09-24-2009

If this is in fact DS's decision, and not JM's choice to leave, then it really makes no sense at all. I don't get why he would want to alienate a portion of the fanbase, just for some drama when it isn't necessary. I mean they could have gone on with Cameron and Chase as they have been, with their two scenes most episodes, with a bigger storyline every so often. It seems they have enough storylines going on anyway, between the neverending Huddy saga, hopefully lots of H/W, 14 and of course House himself, without the added drama of actually getting rid of Cameron and JM. I totally sympathize with JM fans, it really seems like it was just done almost out of spite, or something, if in was TPTB's decision. But I certainly cannot understand why they would do it for the benefit of the show, cause I don't see any benefit no matter what, even though I never had any particular feelings toward Cameron either way.

Namaste- 09-24-2009

This is speculation from TV Squad While I have nothing to back this up, I'm guessing this has been in the works for a while and no one - not even Morrison - knew it was coming. A November exit would probably be about maybe, what? The seventh or eighth episode of the season? That likely means this plot was hatched by the writers before the season started shooting, and seeing as how Morrison was part of all the promotional effort for the season, she probably had no reason to suspect that her time was up. Based on this interview with Ausiello from last month, she sure talked like she was sticking around Or ... she knew about it and didn't say anything, since that happens during season promos, movie promos, etc. all the time. Hollywood Standard Operating Procedure.

Ariadne- 09-24-2009

I think this is going to be Chase's big story. Ausiello is already up to over 350 replies and he only posted it 4 hours ago. As the NY Daily News reminds us "House" devotees might recall that it was only a few months back that series creator David Shore told EW.com that "Chase and Cameron fans will be happy with the way we're going to reintegrate them into the team." ... Even Morrison herself admitted that she was looking forward to the new season, telling EW. com, "I have been working a lot. And there are things that happen to 'House' very early in the season that have a domino effect on all of the other characters." So much for that idea, it seems. You know what else really sucks? That they made JM and JS go through that wedding last season even though it must have been hard on them to do the wedding they never had. They both proved their loyalty to the show and their ability to be professionals and then JM gets the boot like this. They probably just thought "Do we still have something to write for Cameron ?" and came up with the answer "no"... I do not believe it has anything to do with DS or KJ prefering one character/storyline/ship over others, but everything to do with them going with what they believe has more potential. Writing drama is about conflict. Either you have situational conflict, as the procedurals do, or you have character conflict. Cameron is a character who was created with four different areas of potential dramatic conflict with House. The most obvious is her belief in ethics. Yes, it annoyed some viewers but since she left the team, the ethics debates have pretty much stopped. Taub and Kutner paid lip service but didn't stop House; Cuddy didn't care as long as the hospital wasn't liable. Neither Foreman nor Thirteen have ever argued ethics with House other than to argue with him. The second area was that she was a hopeful romantic to contrast to House's cynical romantic. She became more cynical as the seasons went on and accepted that patients lie but she never stopped hoping for the best. The third area is that she preferred the patient to the puzzle. Thirteen, Foreman and Taub all prefer the puzzle unless the patient is an anvil for them, Cuddy isn't on the team and Chase doesn't care that much either way. The only remaining character who cares more about the patient than the puzzle is Wilson. The fourth area is that she saw the goodness that was hidden in House, as Lydia did, and believed that House could be more even though she was willing to put up with what he was. Foreman is "I never liked you" and Thirteen and Taub usually act like they're doing House a favour by being there. Outside of the department offices, Wilson had a bit of that, Cuddy is kind of all over the place about House but you still need contrast in the DDx and medical scenes. Add to that the professional storylines for her I suggested above. IMO there is a lot of potential storyline left to be mined in Cameron, both professionally and as a character to contrast to House (even without the crush storyline). That's the problem with the current team of Foreman, Thirteen and Taub, they're all House 'mini-me's and that makes the DDx session boring. Chase will spark them up but Cameron would be very valuable too. Getting rid of Cameron means that the show will be even more homogenized. Then there's the fanbase. On any poll, anywhere, Cameron is way, way more popular than Thirteen and Foreman. If there were better storylines for Foreman and Thirteen, why do they keep repeating the same old ones over and over? Foreman wants to be boss but screws up. Thirteen has Huntington's and is bisexual. Same old thing over two seasons now. From what I can see, Cameron has lots more potential than some of the characters who are remaining on the show. The only explanation that I can see for getting rid of her is that she's more popular then Thirteen. Alfred Adler said that if you want to know why a person does something, look at the effect of doing it. With Cameron gone, Thirteen will be the only female member of the team and Cuddy House's only love interest.

Maryl- 09-24-2009

I can't help but feel we don't have the full story about JM's departure. TPTB have always said the brought on a new team in S4 so that House would have more characters to interact with, so it makes no sense that a few episodes after writing out Kutner, that they would want to further reduce the cast. Perhaps the tease that JM may be back for a guest appearance actually means that the character's absence is only temporary, and Ausellio hasn't gotten his story straight? Given all the Hameron supporters out there, it's hard to believe TPTB wouldn't want to keep that door open for House. JS said last year that he had signed a contract extension. Maybe JM would not commit to the same extension, and TPTB decided to release her from her contract early?

Namaste- 09-24-2009

More from TVGuide magazine which says things may be premature: However, sources confirm to TV Guide Magazine that Morrison is still listed as a series regular and the show is expecting her leave of absence to be temporary. Greg Yaitanes tweeted something about knowing "what's going on," (linking to the google news alert) so the comments they're now making to TV Guide may well be the show trying to tell the audience that Ausiello is wrong (and being pissed at Ausiello, so going through a top competitor.) Note that Ausiello admitted he had no confirmation, just sources. TVGuide has confirmation.

Ariadne- 09-24-2009

Being listed as a series regular at this time means nothing. She is still a series regular right now and will be till she's written off the show. Perhaps the tease that JM may be back for a guest appearance actually means that the character's absence is only temporary, and Ausellio hasn't gotten his story straight? Given all the Hameron supporters out there, it's hard to believe TPTB wouldn't want to keep that door open for House. They would want to close it if they wanted to end Hameron for good. Maybe they think that all they need are the Huddy and H/w fans. And Chase fans, of course although given that the storyline is that Cameron finally trusts a man again and he betrays her, it hardly does Chase much credit. Saying that she could come back for a guest appearance because she's not dead feels like more obfuscation on Shore's part. After two seasons of believing him and KJ when they said that Cameron and Chase would be back full time on the show, not to mention telling fans earlier this month that they will be happy with the way they are reintegrated into the show, I've lost faith in anything that Shore or KJ say. I've been jerked around enough. Greg Yaitanes tweeted something about knowing "what's going on," I didn't see that. I saw a tweet "the rumor mill is fast and furious today" which doesn't contradict either Ausiello or Kristin's longer explanation. If Ausiello is wrong, why isn't JM making a statement? Why isn't Shore or Katie Jacobs? ETA: Everyone up for House playing the role of Iago? Could be worse, at least Chase doesn't kill Cameron. :o