Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

we saw photos of KP when they shot the beach scenes for "Locked In" but he wasn't in any of the ones we got to see. My guess is that they had originally planned on giving Kutner more screen time. But then they decided that it would be cool to end the season with "a shocking death that comes out of nowhere" and they picked his character for it. So they are leaving out all his previously shot scenes. Or they may use the scenes in upcoming episodes. The beach scenes used, were all from Lee's (Mos Def) POV. It wouldn't have made sense to use Kutner-on-the-beach in that context. I think that "a shocking death that comes out of nowhere" doesn't necessarily have to be shocking for the viewers--just for House. We know about Taub's suicidal past, but does House?

I know a lot of you say things like, you wish you could remain unspoiled yet you can't look away from spoilers hehe- well, for me, I love spoilers because they make me look at, analyze, and pay attention more to the show than if I had nothing to look for. For example, I keep looking at Kutner scenes hoping to get some clue. What do you guys think about his reaction to Taub taking claim for Kutner's idea? Do you really think it wasn't a big deal? I'm wondering- if Kutner is the suicide- maybe this was the begining of the viewer seeing Kutner stepped on/used which leads to depression, suicide etc.. For example, a few episodes ago Kutner was talking about how he considers Taub a friend. Maybe Kutner seriously has no friends, talks to and hangs out with no one, except for the people at work. Maybe he considers/considered Taub his closest friend and maybe what Taub did really hurt Kutner? Taub could have taken the time to discuss with Kutner how his job was on the line and could have asked his permission to take claim.. I bet Kutner would have said yes. But the fact that Taub didn't ask, or didn't stick around after House left to apologize/explain to Kutner.. sort of shows that he doesn't care about Kutner right? I mean, if we didn't have hints Kutner might be the one depressed and commiting suicide... I wouldn't pay attention to that scene much. And think what Taub did wasn't a big deal to Kutner. But the fact that I am expecting something to happen with him.. makes me wonder... maybe this scene is important in showing how someone Kutner cosiders a friend, doesn't care about him, and that may contribute to what happens.. Especially if Taub is Kutners only/closest friend.. its kind of sad. Also, another thing, people have complained that we see nothing of Kutner's life.. well, what if its because he has NO life? Other than sitting in front of the TV or playing video games. It would get weird probably if we had random scene cuts to him sitting around his house alone. We see Forteen outside of work, we see Taub's home life a little, we know Chase/Cam are hanging out... maybe they purposely aren't showing us Kutner because there is nothing to show. Maybe if he kills himself we'll see some weird flashback of his life the past year of him just sitting alone at home. I could see a scene of the camera following him on a regular day, doing nothing, looking depressed, gets a call from work and as he walks into the door to the hospital his face changes from a pained/depressed look to the cheery Kutner we see at work. Another thing, I know for a fact some people who try to kill themselves don't even label themselves as "depressed"- they have nothing in their life thats "bad" enough to depress them into a suicide attempt (no deaths, no abuse, good friends, good job) but they don't care. They just don't care about their life and feel useless. Everything could be great in their life, they just don't feel it, and see death as a way out of feeling that nothing. They don't do it in a fit of depression and sadness, they do it after going through life feeling dead and bored. Maybe that is what the explanation for Kutner will be... a good life and job, but he just... didn't feel anything for it. Ok yea, I am obsessing over the suicide too much =( I still hope it won't be him and I know how bad Amber's death hit me, and I llike Kutner 1000000 times more than her. This is going to kill emotionally.

Maybe the "shocking" thing is that someone on House's team commits suicide, not who the person is. For those of us who are spoiled for the suicide, all signs point to Taub, who's got both financial problems and House ragging on him. Maybe even still personal ones with his wife and not having any kids. I don't see any indication that it's Kutner. He doesn't act like someone who is depressed or even who has anomie (lack of feelings). He's still energetic and innovative ( e.g. the on-line advice) and when he let Taub take the credit for the rat infection, he behaved line someone who was so sure of his own self-worth, he was willing to let someone else take the credit who needed the win more than he did rather than someone who let Taub take the credit because he didn't deserve good things for himself. If the suicide is at the end of 22 or in 23, there's only 3 episodes left to build Kutner to the point where it would be credible for him to commit suicide. The writing should be there by now.

Yea. I do have Taub as my second guess because of all the hints. It would still be shocking to unspoiled viewers. But I am leaning more toward Kutner too because, not positive if it was posted here, but on Livejournal, someone who says they are in the know, says they were on set and can confirm its Kutner. Of course they could be lying, but if they are then it would make them uncredible and unbelieve for future spoilers and I'm sure people would be angry with them for lying too. So I don't see why someone would lie over this because of backlash they would receive. And everyone comments on Kutner's over the top enthusiasm... could be because it is over the top and fake. We only see him be enthusiastic over work stuff or at work right? Have we seen him act happy/enthusiastic alone? I do hope I'm wrong though. Please take Taub over Kutner, reapers of PPTH!

And everyone comments on Kutner's over the top enthusiasm... could be because it is over the top and fake. We only see him be enthusiastic over work stuff or at work right? Have we seen him act happy/enthusiastic alone? I do hope I'm wrong though. Please take Taub over Kutner, reapers of PPTH! We don't know much about Kutner alone except what we hear anecdotally. We know that he was excited about crawling on his knees for a Guiness Books Record. We know that he gets geeked out by Star Wars and Harry Potter and other Sci-Fi/Fantasy cultural touchstones. One can assume these are things that he indulges in alone with a normal level of excitement. We know that he didn't dwell over-indulgently over the Amber situation and, in fact, was mature about the whole "farewell" team dilemma. Before that, we know that he wasn't crushed when Amber turned him down for a date. I agree with Adriane that the writing for Kutner really being secretly depressed just isn't there yet and it will have to be some awfully good writing to get me to believe that's really what's been on his mind.

Or they may use the scenes in upcoming episodes. Maybe. We did see Kutner using those MRI "beach" goggles. So perhaps he'll hallucinate himself and House on the beach. I can't imagine why he'd do that unless he's having a breakdown or something, though. I love spoilers because they make me look at, analyze, and pay attention more to the show than if I had nothing to look for. I feel much better about being a spoiler-whore now. LOL. Jokes aside, you're right. I never thought about it but discussing spoilers does have that effect. For example, I keep looking at Kutner scenes hoping to get some clue. What do you guys think about his reaction to Taub taking claim for Kutner's idea? He wanted to help Taub. We know that Kutner has issues with bullies. Since "Here Kitty" he's been getting the sense that House is bullying Taub. He knows Taub tried to commit suicide at some point and he's doing whatever he can to protect him. When House asked who had solved the case, Kutner didn't reply immediately and I think he did that so Taub could take credit for it. When Taub did, Kutner nodded to let him know that he'd back his lie up. We also saw him telling House that he should stop jerking Taub around. I don't see any indication that it's Kutner. He doesn't act like someone who is depressed or even who has anomie (lack of feelings). He's still energetic and innovative ( e.g. the on-line advice) and when he let Taub take the credit for the rat infection, he behaved line someone who was so sure of his own self-worth, he was willing to let someone else take the credit who needed the win more than he did rather than someone who let Taub take the credit because he didn't deserve good things for himself. l. I completely agree. Which is why I think his death fits the spoiler journalist's profile perfectly ("just happens", "has no lead in", "shocking" etc). It would be a very fitting end to a season in which they've given us rubbish like "Last Resort" and "TGG". I agree with Adriane that the writing for Kutner really being secretly depressed just isn't there yet and it will have to be some awfully good writing to get me to believe that's really what's been on his mind. The only suicide I can buy at this point is Taub's because there's been a build up to it from earlier in the season. There's nothing they can write in the next 2-3 episodes that will convince me that any other character is suicidal.

Is it too much to hope that the suicide is Thirteen? After all, despite all of Taub's troubles, she is really the one with the least to live for. What with dating Foreman and all. :lol: And didn't Kristin say that the person going didn't want to leave the show? And how much more MAJOR could OW be this season? *hee*

RNWannabe, sorry to dash your hopes. But this spoiler just came in from TV Guide: I heard there's going to be a suicide on House. Please tell me it's Thirteen! — Rose MICKEY: OK, fine, it's Thirteen. Are you happy now?

I hope it's Taub, but i have a horrible feeling it's Kutner, the only new duckling anyone seems to like crying Yeah, well, DS said that there's no point in killing someone who people don't like. And I :heart: your icon, LaurieisLush. It's perfection. ETA: "Samsara" is back as a title for 5x23 on Wikipedia.

I actually hope it ISN'T 13, just so we can be spared Foreman moping and being even MORE boring! I hope it's Taub, but i have a horrible feeling it's Kutner, the only new duckling anyone seems to like :crying: That's why they're probably killing him off - Amber was rather popular too, wasn't she :cry: If it's really Kutner, I wonder how next season can be anything else but boring. I mean, we already know everything about Foreteen and Taub had quite a big storyline too... Oh and I love your icon! Let's send death cat over to TPTB to threat them a little :D

I love spoilers because they make me look at, analyze, and pay attention more to the show than if I had nothing to look for. I agree. I think discussing spoilers may be my favorite part of fandom. It's just so much fun to let my mind come up with all these scenerios and read what other people have come up with. Of course, the down side is that it can lead to disappointment when the episode fails to live up to things I imagine, but I think I'm getting better at not getting my hopes up. If it's really Kutner, I wonder how next season can be anything else but boring. I mean, we already know everything about Foreteen and Taub had quite a big storyline too :shock: Oh, dear God. I hadn't even thought about how unbelievably dull the ddx sessions for next season will be if it's just 14 and Taub. I only find Taub interesting when he's got Kutner to play off of. Other than that, I'm as bored by him as I am by 14. I think they're going with Kutner for shock value. He's the one that most people have grown to like since the new team joined. I don't think Taub would cause much of a reaction and there would be rejoicing in the streets if they killed 13. I just wonder why they're killing someone off again. Is it just to thin out the cast? I hope they didn't get a taste for it with Amber and now they have to do it all the time. If it is Kutner, it also seems to make Taub's depression irrelevant because they're just using it to throw us off-track.

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