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deelaundry- 02-26-2009

The funeral for House's dad was held in Lexington, Kentucky. I'm assuming that's where his mom lives. I'm confused where the beach fits in. It snowed in this ep, so a New York or New Jersey beach wouldn't be warm enough by the Mos Def ep to be where they are. :?

angelcat2865- 02-26-2009

I'm confused where the beach fits in. It snowed in this ep, so a New York or New Jersey beach wouldn't be warm enough by the Mos Def ep to be where they are. :? I have two theories on that: 1 It's an hallucination 2 It's one of their flash-forwards they do every so often But since Kutner is going to be there I am leaning toward hallucination.

LightMyCandle- 02-26-2009

But I don't think the issue is the LLB. The real issue is why Wilson wants to keep it from House. Yes, I know, all I'm saying is that regardless of the reason Wilson's keeping LLB a secret, it's not unusual behavior for him to keep a secret. I'd be more surprised if he came right out and told House about it, and asked for his help. I wouldn't expect House to really help and I wouldn't expect him not to mock him about it. And most importantly, what long-lasting effects could this have on House/Wilson? Well, there have never really been long-lasting effects on House/Wilson, so even if LLB does go beyond this episode, it won't go very far. The way the spoiler is written, it really sounds like it's just a one episode thing, then again, it's Ausiello and you can't exactly trust him.

idonmatrix- 02-26-2009

I expect LLB arc to go more than one episode because it's not about finding the LLB. The real story is why Wilson needs to find him now. This -- yes. The LLB, while fascinating, is really just a means to an end. The real questions that need to be explored are: What's going on in Wilson's mind? What was the immediate prompt for finding LLB? What will be the result of this? And most importantly, what long-lasting effects could this have on House/Wilson? I don't think that Wilson's troubled relationship with his brother and his approach to his friendship with House are unrelated at all. And I think the biggest step to repairing a friendship that's been faltering since the beginning of S3 (at the latest) is exploring this facet of Wilson's character and personality. Yes. House said to Wilson in Histories his estranged relationship with LLB was relevant to their relationship.

travin1- 02-26-2009

The funeral for House's dad was held in Lexington, Kentucky. I'm assuming that's where his mom lives. I'm confused where the beach fits in. It snowed in this ep, so a New York or New Jersey beach wouldn't be warm enough by the Mos Def ep to be where they are. :? I'm thinking hallucination, too. Mos Def is supposed to have locked-in syndrome...my bet is that House is hallucinating all of it and it's actually House with the locked-in syndrome. (And yeah, I'll probably eat those words. :) )

sscourtney- 02-26-2009

Hehe,in the description it only said the episode is told from the patient's side,no one said which one of them is that patient.;) But yeah,it's highly unlikey.:P

wintertide- 02-26-2009

Okay, I vowed not to write here anymore about my sick!Wilson theory, cause I imagine people are getting tired of it, but I did notice something else rewatching the Wilson scenes in TSS. When Wilson was in the restaurant with House, after he drank the beer, he made a really wierd face. I noticed that the first time, and it was even more evident on repeated viewings. I'm not a doctor or anything like that, but I do know that a wierd symptom of lymphoma is there is pain when a person with it drinks alcohol. That is exactly what Wilson looked like right after he drank the beer, like it was painful. It just seems to be another piece of evidence along with the others. Yeah, of course I could be totally wrong, but I keep thinking that they do stuff like that. Like one of my favorite episodes of all time is Family, and I watch that episode over and over again. But I always thought that Wilson was really odd in that episode. Then it finally dawned on me, that he was supposed to not be himself, he was really depressed in that episode, cause of course we find out in the next one, Resignation, that he had started to take antipressants. I still think there is evidence for sick!Wilson, but I also agree that a real emotional problem is possible too. Then TGG makes sense. It also makes sense that if Wilson is sick, he would finally deicde that he had to reunite with LLB, maybe just to finally allieve all the guilt that he must have about him. I also am now wondering if Wilson never actually meets with LLB himself in TSC, maybe they just find him and Taub arranges everything, but it won't be till much later that Wilson actually meets him again. Then House's trip to NY still could be about LLB. I still think it is, because otherwise why is Wilson the only only who is wondering why House went to NY, why isn't Cuddy wondering and mentioned in the press release too?. I think the trip has to be about Wilson in some way. Okay, I didn't mean to go on so long again, I probably should stop thinking so much about all of this, but it is hard not too.

waywarddone- 02-26-2009

Yes. House said to Wilson in Histories his estranged relationship with LLB was relevant to their relationship. That's not quite correct; House was saying that Wilson having two brothers was relevant to Wilson's life, even if LLB was not in it any more. He may have also meant that Wilson not telling House about LLB was relevant to their relationship but there was nothing about Wilson's relationship to LLB being relevant to Wilson's relationship to House. House didn't even know what Wilson and LLB's relationship was at that point. He had just that moment learned of LLB's exsistence. I agree that there are conections to Wilson's relationship with LLB and his relationship to House. At the very least that likely contributed to Wilson's fear of being unprepared to suddenly lose someone. I just dont's see Wilson finding LLB having anything to do with a sudden physical/medical need of Wilson's. I can't believe he would only seek him out for something like that and be so lucky to find him. Mental/emotional need maybe. Besides KJ described the episode DS wrote as beautiful. I know she is unrelaible but I'm not sure capturing, medicating and confining your mentally ill brother so you can tap his bone marrow or whatever would qualify as that. When Wilson was in the restaurant with House, after he drank the beer, he made a really wierd face. I noticed that the first time, and it was even more evident on repeated viewings...a wierd symptom of lymphoma is there is pain when a person with it drinks alcohol. That is exactly what Wilson looked like right after he drank the beer, like it was painful. Wasn't that distress at seeing House down his bourbon while Wilson still feared he was doing heroin? I still think there is evidence for sick!Wilson, but I also agree that a real emotional problem is possible too. Then TGG makes sense. It also makes sense that if Wilson is sick, he would finally deicde that he had to reunite with LLB, maybe just to finally allieve all the guilt that he must have about him. Why should Wilson suddenly feel guilty about LLB now. He clearly loved and missed him in Histories but was unable to help or find him. Then House's trip to NY still could be about LLB. I still think it is, because otherwise why is Wilson the only only who is wondering why House went to NY, why isn't Cuddy wondering and mentioned in the press release too?. I think the trip has to be about Wilson in some way. Wouldn't Wilson know where LLB was even if he hadn't gone to see him yet. Even if Taub made the arrangements he wouldn't keep them secret from Wilson would he? If LLB is in NYC than Wilson would be able to guess what House may have been doing, so no secret. If it's about House trying to find out something about Wilson then it can't be a secret to Wilson. Instead the trip could still have something to do with House seeking another pain treatment. As for Cuddy not being in the press release let's just be grateful for a storyline or two for House & Wilson that doesn't include her for a change. :D

LightMyCandle- 02-26-2009

Wasn't that distress at seeing House down his bourbon while Wilson still feared he was doing heroin? That would be my guess. And the reason he didn't eat the bagel was so that House could ask for it and start getting Wilson suspicious. And he was looking at a scan because he's a doctor, they showed him doing doctor stuff, I don't think there's anything deeper to read in any of this. I don't think sick!Wilson is a possibility, not just this season, but ever. After Amber, I no longer see what it would accomplish other than a ratings stunt and since TPTB seem to think we all love 13 so much, they'll save all that for her. I know she is unrelaible but I'm not sure capturing, medicating and confining your mentally ill brother so you can tap his bone marrow or whatever would qualify as that. :lol: I think KJ might just be bizarre enough to consider that beautiful, actually. Besides, like you said, she is unreliable. I'm still going with Wilson seeking out LLB now as a way to get out of his rut and take some control of his life. His brother has been missing for over a decade, getting to help him now would probably feel like an accomplishment to him and would hopefully have him take some positive steps forward. LLB probably does relate to House in some way, I just don't see how there's time to go into that if House doesn't even know about LLB, just that Wilson's hiding something from him. I doubt they'll give LLB away early in the episode, so it really feels like they're bringing him up now for the surprise factor and no deeper reason. Then House's trip to NY still could be about LLB. I still think it is, because otherwise why is Wilson the only only who is wondering why House went to NY, why isn't Cuddy wondering and mentioned in the press release too?. You actually may have a point there. They made sure to say Wilson and Cuddy in the release for The Softer Side. I don't think the trip is about Wilson, I think it's about House's health, but it would still be nice to get just H/W for a change.

deelaundry- 02-26-2009

The other thing to think about is that just because LLB is found now, doesn't mean Wilson and/or his family haven't been looking for him all along.

travin1- 02-26-2009

You actually may have a point there. They made sure to say Wilson and Cuddy in the release for The Softer Side. I don't think the trip is about Wilson, I think it's about House's health... I'm leaning towards House's health, too. We still don't know who the doctor is that prescribed the Methedone for him. I don't find it unreasonable to think he'd go as far as NY to find a doc who would prescribe for him.

cindylouwho- 02-26-2009

House could be going to NYC for a number of reasons, one of course being his health/to see a dr. He could be going for personal reasons, perhaps to track down his "father," or meet up with Crandall. (yes I know these are long shots) Maybe he just couldn't sleep and took the bike out and ended up in NYC?

Taiga- 02-26-2009

Why is it easy to accept that Cuddy got to be Dean of Medicine and head of a teaching hospital only 7 years after she finished medical schoo, and yet so hard to believe that Chase and Cameron may be running their departments? Cameron has to be at least 9 or 10 years post med school and Chase probably the same. Why do you have to confuse me with facts? Okay, I concede your point about Cameron, but not Chase. It's not a slam on his competancy, it's based on the fact that until the beginning of S3 he wasn't a surgeon. I get that we're supposed to believe that every doctor on the show can perform brain surgery because we've seen them do it, but believing that an intensivist could be promoted to head of the surgery department either immediately or within months of joining the surgical team is asking too much. This is a letdown though. If House isn't in on the secret until toward the end of the episode, then odds are, we won't be either. We'll see him following Taub and Wilson around while they're carrying on with their secretive behavior and House will finally find out around the 40 minute mark. So, we'll probably get a whole 5-7 minutes with LLB and talking about him, which will mostly be House whining about how Wilson didn't tell him, then the episode's over and we'll never hear about it again. That's what I'm afraid of too. Look at the episode where we met one of Wilson's ex-wives: we didn't see them interact at all, all of her scenes were with House. I'm afraid that if we do see LLB that all of his scenes will be with House and we won't see Wilson with him. As for Wilson keeping his search for LLB a secret, remember he kept his existence a secret. I've been thinking about how LLB may parallel what House has been going through. From what I've read of schitzophrenia, the side effects of the drugs are so nasty that many patients choose not to take them. They'd rather be healthy and crazy then sane and sick. Isn't that kind of like why House chose to go off the methadone? He'd rather have his mind than his health? Maybe House will confront Wilson about medicating and institutionalizing his brother, that Wilson is taking control of LLB and doing what Wilson thinks is best instead of what LLB wants. That Wilson thinks he's helping his brother for altruistic reasons but he's really doing it for himself. Maybe that's why Wilson isn't telling him.

sherlock21b- 02-26-2009

Why do you have to confuse me with facts? Okay, I concede your point about Cameron, but not Chase. It's not a slam on his competancy, it's based on the fact that until the beginning of S3 he wasn't a surgeon. I get that we're supposed to believe that every doctor on the show can perform brain surgery because we've seen them do it, but believing that an intensivist could be promoted to head of the surgery department either immediately or within months of joining the surgical team is asking too much. For Cameron, it wouldn't be an age thing. There's no way on the planet an immunologist with no ER training becomes head of that department. She might be an attending if we like to strain credibility (and TPTB seem to love that). As for Chase: Even if we assume that he concentrated in surgery (it's apparently one of the specialties intensivists can "major" in--and it does fit because Chase was definitely the go-to guy for surgically related procedures) in his training as an intensivist, that would mean he'd gotten some surgical training, but that does not a surgeon make. No way even in Shoreland that he's chief of surgery. That's too utterly laughable for words.

LightMyCandle- 02-26-2009

Maybe he just couldn't sleep and took the bike out and ended up in NYC? Why would he hide that from Wilson? I guess Wilson would analyze it and try and find some hidden why reason House would wind up in NYC, but is one lecture worth lying about if House truly has no special reason to go to NYC? That's only going to make Wilson more obsessed with the situation. As for Wilson keeping his search for LLB a secret, remember he kept his existence a secret. Another good point. Wilson doesn't bring up personal things very often. He hasn't told House that he's been having trouble moving on from Amber either. Sometimes if I'm going through something stressful, I keep my mouth shut about it to my friends and family, simply because even talking about it seems exhausting and stressful and not worth it. House might be upset that Wilson kept this from him, but it seems perfectly IC for Wilson. Except for the Taub part, that's just weird. They'd rather be healthy and crazy then sane and sick. Isn't that kind of like why House chose to go off the methadone? He'd rather have his mind than his health? Maybe House will confront Wilson about medicating and institutionalizing his brother, that Wilson is taking control of LLB and doing what Wilson thinks is best instead of what LLB wants. That Wilson thinks he's helping his brother for altruistic reasons but he's really doing it for himself. Maybe that's why Wilson isn't telling him. Ooh, that's interesting. I only hope there is time to actually get into something like this, the emotions and motivations behind it. I really don't see how this can be a satisfying storyline in just one episode.