Reality is Almost Always Wrong: Spoiler Discussion Thread

(wiirenet - Male gay sex scenes are a whole different bag. Teenage girls don't have the same interest in them, as teenage boys have towards lesbians). I've got to disagree with this - there are a whole lot of teenage fangirls into slash. Check out some slash communities if you don't believe me, I think you'd be surprised. Teenage girls seem just as interested in boy on boy action. :-)

fffaw, I agree with you. I think there are a lot of teenage girls into House/Wilson slash as well as other man on man pairings. While I think femslash is very cool, I find male pairings much more fascinating and hot. Sometimes, I feel as though shows are more willing to do lesbian ships than hoyay ships. I just hope 13's foray into girl love translates into some more than friendly H/W moments. All I want is equal time. Am I asking for too much :(

(wiirenet - Male gay sex scenes are a whole different bag. Teenage girls don't have the same interest in them, as teenage boys have towards lesbians). I've got to disagree with this - there are a whole lot of teenage fangirls into slash. Check out some slash communities if you don't believe me, I think you'd be surprised. Teenage girls seem just as interested in boy on boy action. :-) Then there's the popularity of yaoi manga and Brokeback Mountain...It's a well acknowledged trend, I thought. TV shows aren't bothering to pander to this group because girls/women's interests are apparently worthless. (Will not...go on...rant...) You know, I never liked it when fans accuse TPTB of being homophobic...but if we don't get a gratuitous male/male scene - hell, if we don't at least get a gay man as PoTW again - let's just say it's all very telling. And the Thirteen teaser would have been less obnoxious if just started with her and the patient in bed. We'd understand they had sex, they get show Olivia Wilde half-naked, and no time is wasted on meaningless groping.

Not that it matters much, but I just re-watched the scene in order to time how long the actual sex lasts on our screen. It's 37 seconds. At that moment, the scene cuts to 13 and the woman lying in bed afterward. The other 1 minute 18 seconds is 13 getting up, going to the bathroom, looking at her self-loathing self in the mirror, patient falling out of bed and seizing. So it's really only 37 seconds... only 1/3 of the scene. I hate 13, and I'd rather see someone else making out on my screen for that time frame. And you all make valid points. I suppose the scene would still work if they cut out those first 37 seconds.

So it's really only 37 seconds... only 1/3 of the scene. I hate 13, and I'd rather see someone else making out on my screen for that time frame. And you all make valid points. I suppose the scene would still work if they cut out those first 37 seconds. I guess the scene still does work without the first 37 seconds, but you can tell in those 37 seconds that Thirteen isn't exactly sober -- which is the point of her little story (Or at least I viewed the way she was groping the PotW's face as being just a tad on the high side -- can't say I have a whole lot of experience with illegal drugs). I mean, we can debate all day whether the sex scene is gratuitous in the sense of being not needed, but it's still there, and it's not going anywhere, and surely we can find something better to debate.

I think Kutner will have his time to shine. He's my favorite new duckling (the other two don't interest me. I don't hate them, I just don't care). I think Kutner's been shown to be the strongest so far...he seems to have figured out House's partial gall stone metaphor, he had House's epiphany in No More Mr. Nice Guy, etc (last season, I know, just sayin'). We still don't know who the hostages will be in the hostage episode. Whoever the guy takes as hostages will surely have a bit more in the plot...and I'm thinking it might be at least part of House's team. I have to agree with Chippers on a lot of what she said. I guess I'm an optomist too. Season's only just begun, give it some time. As for the sex scene...it's there, no less there than Cuddy's school girl fantasy, Cameron & Chase's romps or the Airborne storyline. It's brief, and yes, it's probably meant to draw a certain demographic. If nothing else, I think it's a good way for them to spotlight Huntington's, bring some attention to it. Had one of the other characters (except Taub) been given this disease, I think the reaction to it and the screen time the storyline is getting, would be far more forgiven, perhaps even hearalded, but because it's 13, there's this big negative reaction. I personally still think they will weed out one or two characters by the end of this season/begining of next. My guess is 13 won't be around for the duration.

(wiirenet - Male gay sex scenes are a whole different bag. Teenage girls don't have the same interest in them, as teenage boys have towards lesbians). I also must disagree with this, speaking from fairly recent experience, there are quite a few teenage girls into slash. I was in high school when Brokeback Mountain came out, it was a big deal in a positive way...for the girls anyway, the guys made the same unfunny jokes for a whole year. We still don't know who the hostages will be in the hostage episode. Whoever the guy takes as hostages will surely have a bit more in the plot...and I'm thinking it might be at least part of House's team. I agree that at least one or two members of House's team has to be taken hostage. It might be interesting if it was a mix of the old team and the new team as hostages, so a potential ddx would be different then we've seen so far. I personally still think they will weed out one or two characters by the end of this season/begining of next. My guess is 13 won't be around for the duration. I don't know, DS seems really into her character, but that's what I thought about Cameron and he's sidelined her for the most part. I know she's getting her own episode soon and that a better balance has supposedly been reached between the nine cast members, but he's not highlighting her like she was in the first three seasons. I guess if anyone leaves, it will be a newbie, but I really don't want Chase or Cameron back on House's team, it's such a step backwards at this point. I heard JS has signed on for a few more seasons, OE's not going anywhere, RSL's got three more years at least, I don't see LE wanting to leave and obviously HL is sticking around. So that leaves JM or a newbie, if anyone does leave.

Chase and Cameron could have bigger roles without being "on the team." I'm glad to know Jesse has signed on for three more seasons (source = Daily Telegraph this week) and I hope it means his talent will be untilized more than it was in Season 4 and so far in Season 5. I think it's possible that they would get rid of one or all of the newbies. It's odd that they're not in the opening credits. Didn't Taub reduce himself to a fellow to keep his wife from finding out about his adultery? That cat's out of the bag. What's his reason for putting up with House and making less money when he could be making a fortune as a plastic surgeon and doing something he really loved? He seems miserable with House. 13 has a terminal disease. Maybe they're focusing on her so much now because they intend to use her up and kill her off. Now that's optimism! :D

(wiirenet - Male gay sex scenes are a whole different bag. Teenage girls don't have the same interest in them, as teenage boys have towards lesbians). I've got to disagree with this - there are a whole lot of teenage fangirls into slash. Check out some slash communities if you don't believe me, I think you'd be surprised. Teenage girls seem just as interested in boy on boy action. :-) Then there's the popularity of yaoi manga and Brokeback Mountain...It's a well acknowledged trend, I thought. TV shows aren't bothering to pander to this group because girls/women's interests are apparently worthless. (Will not...go on...rant...) You know, I never liked it when fans accuse TPTB of being homophobic...but if we don't get a gratuitous male/male scene - hell, if we don't at least get a gay man as PoTW again - let's just say it's all very telling. ITA that there are plenty of young women who like and respond to a man on man situation. Two beautiful men what's not to like?And since the key demo is any 18 - 34 and second to that 18 - 49 year old they don't even have to be all that young to count. But there doesn't seem to be a doubt that the general TPTB TV perception is while in general male and females are both good or at least don't have a problem with lesbian rel. that gay male rel. could turn away some young and not so young men. I think that is selling men way short particularly the younger men but i fear that is what causes the one-sidedness. A another gay male POTW would at least be something. One with a significant other would also be nice since IIRC the two they have had didn't have such a relationship. Of course there is always the thinking that being as aware of the H/W subtext/text as they are the show already feels that is sort of represented. But even the most delicious innuendo is no substitute for the actual. Also agree that the 13/POTW opener is about on par with Ch/Cam activity, H/S in bed and Foreman/Drug rep all kind of linked together. I didn't find it a big shocker. The reason for the early release I would guess is because it features the current it girl of the show (like it or not) and they think it will attract more viewers to the show then chase them off. As for any one leaving anything is possible. They loved Amber that didn't stop them from killing her because it served a purpose. Storywise with so much time being spent on 13 I think it could be her because she could burn very bright and then be snuffed out. Also her story most connects with House so like Amber there would be resonance back to him and his physical status. And it would also be an emotional situation for Foreman, since he's going to become closer to her, that would have slight parallels to Wilson. I could also see Taub being dispensed with depending on the state of his marriage and either or both Cameron or Chase as they develop further distance from House. Though I do see them serving a real purpose being there but being outside of House's immediate circle.

Chase and Cameron could have bigger roles without being "on the team." I'm glad to know Jesse has signed on for three more seasons (source = Daily Telegraph this week) and I hope it means his talent will be untilized more than it was in Season 4 and so far in Season 5. I think it's possible that they would get rid of one or all of the newbies. It's odd that they're not in the opening credits. Didn't Taub reduce himself to a fellow to keep his wife from finding out about his adultery? That cat's out of the bag. What's his reason for putting up with House and making less money when he could be making a fortune as a plastic surgeon and doing something he really loved? He seems miserable with House. 13 has a terminal disease. Maybe they're focusing on her so much now because they intend to use her up and kill her off. Now that's optimism! :D I also find it odd that they are listed in the opening credits. And I completely agree with Taub...the cat is out of the bag, so there's really no reason he couldn't return to his love of plastic surgery (which I think is obviously where he'd rather be)...he couldn't return to the same area to practice, but he could move elsewhere. I don't think a duckling will resume his/her place as a fellow. But I also don't see them keeping the cast quite so big, either (and at this point, 13 or Taub are the most likely). They need to trim a little fat.

I don't think a duckling will resume his/her place as a fellow. But I also don't see them keeping the cast quite so big, either (and at this point, 13 or Taub are the most likely). They need to trim a little fat. ITA, but House needs a team. If 13 goes, it will be an all male team, and I do not see that happening (even though I'm all for it). I just don't want to see a newbie leave only to be replaced by yet another new character because House needs a team. Granted, with Foreman there are four team members so one (I agree that Taub is the most likely candidate) could leave without needing a replacement. It's just that the team is a vital position on the show. Chase and Cameron's professional positions are not vital to the show. They survived three years without a go to surgeon and ER doc. But that's a moot point because JS isn't going anywhere, but JM might. Amber did not work at the hospital at all, there was no way she could be a regular for the rest of the series because there's barely a place for all the doctors they have now, let alone a place for someone who is just the girlfriend of a doctor. She had a great story, but it had to end. It's the same reason PI can't be a regular. He's not a doctor, there's just no place for him in every episode, especially now that House has Wilson back. If someone has to go by the end of the season, I will bet on Taub.

there are a whole lot of teenage fangirls into slash. Check out some slash communities if you don't believe me, I think you'd be surprised. Teenage girls seem just as interested in boy on boy action. :-) Are those fanfic and discussion communities? Men tend to react to visual stimuli more while women to the written word imagery. Guys love seeing hot girl-on-girl videos and pictures but few of them will read about it, then they prefer guy/girl or guy/guy stuff. If you look at the story collections that are put out by the men's magazines, there is very little lesbian action (or at least there was when my ex was getting them). Also, I get the feeling that a lot of what's written in the slash communities is about the relationship between the two men (or women) rather than descriptions of the sex acts. As for the sex scene...it's there, no less there than Cuddy's school girl fantasy, Cameron & Chase's romps or the Airborne storyline. Cameron and Chase's sexcapades, like House's bed scene with Stacy, were mostly implication and not much flesh. (How would we have felt at actually seeing House making love with Stacy?) Cuddy's strip tease upped the visual component significantly and this does it even more. Maybe part of the problem is the direction the show seems to be going in. I think whether a newby stays or goes depends not on whether there is a reason for staying (there have been 4 already for 13 leaving) but how much Shore likes them. Taub could leave because now his wife knows so he could go back to plastic surgery, Thirteen could leave because she wants to make a difference or experience more before she can't and Kutner could leave because Kal Penn has a movie and teaching career. The cynic in me says Thirteen isn't going anywhere because OW is willing to do scenes like the one at the start of Lucky Thirteen. For a show as smart as this one is supposed to be, why are they finding it so hard to write Chase and Cameron in without putting them back as fellows? Every other show seems to be able to graduate the young doctors from their positions while still keeping them on the show. Foreman stayed on the team but he's practically a cypher. The cast needs to be trimmed down and the easy answer would be to cut the old team. Unfortunately for Shore, what they've been replaced by isn't nearly as entertaining as they still are. (Had House hired Scooter and Amber, there would be fewer cries for C&C to come back.) I'd like Shore to cut two of the new team after playing out their stories and bring C&C back episodically on a consulting basis. The PI can be a recurring character.

I will agree with you about the visual stimuli issue. Men inherently get off on visuals, while women inherently get off on audio/reading. However... Also, I get the feeling that a lot of what's written in the slash communities is about the relationship between the two men (or women) rather than descriptions of the sex acts. You wanna bet? house_wilson get_house_laid There are more.

Ah, Chippers said what I was about to. There's alot of PWP out there. Yes, there is relationship fic too, but it must be said, the ladies do like their porn! Also, where I would agree on the visual stimuli thing to a point, alot of women also enjoy the visual part of man on man action.

No Doubt. I would say the mutitude of fan vids, art work and mannips out there are the way many in H/W community express there love of the sight of our two men together. Since we can't you know hire RSL & HL to have them act any of this stuff out. :w00t:

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