People Don't Change (II): What You Want in S6 (NO SPOILERS)

"Little Things Annoy Us a Whole Lot: The Bitterness Thread" is for what you'll hate, hate, hate to see. Including things on your wish list that you wish won't happen is fine. But if you want to say "I wish such and such won't happen because I'll hate it and then I'll stop watching House but I'll continue to post frequently about how much I hate it because it will be awful and I'll buy voodoo dolls of David Shore and Katie Jacobs and stick pins in them while I hold my breath until I turn blue." take it to the bitterness thread. I feel like this comment is a slap in the face to certain fans of the show, myself included. I won't go in to detail, I will only say that I take offense to it and if this is the position people are going to take on criticism of the show, now that the smart fans and the H/W/C fans have gotten exactly what they wanted from it, I just can't deal with that level of hypocrisy. I don't think his marriage sucks. I think Taub's continuing devotion (despite errant side trips) to keeping his marriage intact is wonderful to see. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see more about how he values that even as he watches other things (House, patients, Kutner, etc.) fall apart. Hopefully, we'll get more of both 13 and Taub as House's fellows. I really hope that they don't break with the formula. I hope they move back into having the formula work, despite everything that is going wrong. MLC, Detox, all of those episodes were actually made better, imho, by slavishly sticking to the formula of the show, while everything was falling apart. I want House to be gone, I want the fellows and maybe other characters continue with House's work. I want it to be rough, but I want them to succeed. When House comes back, he can reintegrate into his position as head of his team, but I would like more push and pull from his fellows. That was something we didn't get to see in Meaning and I really would have preferred at least one episode where we got to see the fellows succeed without House. Obviously they aren't on Houses, the show tells us that no one is, but they can still solve problems, even if there are some rather large bumps in the road. I don't watch the show for Hugh Laurie, I watch for Hugh Laurie's portrayal of House. I'm interested in the characters, not the actors who play them. To really have the show work like it used to, they need to trim the cast down. They need to use Wilson intelligently and not just send RSL out to read the phone book. They need for everyone on the show to have a defined role. I really hope the theme running through season 6 is responsibility and accountability. I hope a running theme is change. What you can change and what you can't change. I would also like House to actually face who is and really see himself, and then decide if he likes who he is or he dislikes who he is.

Yes, I want to see change. I know DS's mantra is that people don't change, but they can't have House go through all this and not change at least a little. I have a specific episode I want to see. Wilson visits House at Mayfield and tells House about a case the team diagnosed in House's absence. The episode is House imagining (not hallucinating, just imagining) it as Wilson describes it, kind of like 'The Mistake'. He could picture himself taking part in the DDX. It could be funny, too, like he imagines Taub as a midget or the team saying "oh we're so lost without the brilliant, sexy Doctor House!", etc.

House sacraficed his life for Wilson. That was one of the most selfless acts anyone could ever do and he was rewarded by Wilson rejecting him. You're goading me. Taiga, why does that goad you? "You disagree with the interpretation of events." or "The truth is hard to hear."? Mod Note: Be careful, you two. The exchange seems to be sounding a bit tetchy. If you're going to disagree, do it respectfully and civilly. Thanks. The original quote about House sacrificing his life for Wilson was not mine. I just read it and Taiga's response and was curious about why Taiga felt goaded on the subject. I wanted to know her opinion on House's actions in "Wilson's Heart". It was pure curiosity and a wish for more information.

• Please let the ultimate answer be a combination of the Vicodin and the loose ends from Season 5 – that the concussion, fractured skull, heart attack and deep brain stimulation have long-term effects that are causing some of his hallucinations… and that’s why he’s hallucinating Amber in particular. Not just that he feels guilty about her and Kutner, but that her death is tied to the beginning of his brain damage. On some level, his brain could be trying to solve the problem by using Amber as a clue. • Once it’s clear that some of his problems are directly related to the brain injuries from before (and perhaps triggered by his recent motorcycle accident), let Wilson finally, once and for all, take a little bit of responsibility for how his own actions have affected House – by asking House to risk his mind and his life for Amber through the DBS, and for rejecting House even after House has made this immense sacrifice for Wilson’s friendship. • During all of the above, put the camera on Hugh Laurie, and leave it there – long takes with no dialogue – just his face as he reacts to what’s going on inside his head. I like these ideas. Well said.

I don't think his marriage sucks. I think Taub's continuing devotion (despite errant side trips) to keeping his marriage intact is wonderful to see. Well, I was oversimplifying a little, and using House's description from...one of the last 5 episodes, I think? I don't remember which one, but the dialogue was something like: House: "Your marriage sucks." Taub: (sadly) "I know." I'd consider it more 'troubled' than necessarily bad, but I could see the storyline going either way - them continuing to hang on, or not. ...I really would like Cuddy/Taub if his marriage does end up not working out, though I admittedly have no strong rationale for why it would work. *g* I'd agree that I'm really enjoying Taub in the diagnostic scenes, though. He was one of the more consistently-strongly featured characters in the last season IMO, and I'd like that to continue.

Mod notes: From razor: I feel like this comment is a slap in the face to certain fans of the show, myself included. I won't go in to detail, I will only say that I take offense to it and if this is the position people are going to take on criticism of the show, now that the smart fans and the H/W/C fans have gotten exactly what they wanted from it, I just can't deal with that level of hypocrisy. Sorry you feel that way. It was Poeia's light hearted attempt to direct folks to the Bitterness thread. It wasn't directed at "certain fans" just bitter ones. We've often posted notes like this. I suggest not assuming that everything is about you and growing a thicker skin. You'd probably be a lot happier on this board. If you take offense at everything, this may not be the best place for you. People will disagree with you, each other and the universe. Differing opinions are the norm. It's the lay of the land on an internet message board. That's the way it is. How people deal with it is another - do they take the comments with a grain of salt and good humor? Or as a challenge and a battle to the death? It's a TV show. A very good TV show, but a TV show nonetheless. This is supposed to be fun. Let's try to keep it that way. From jim: The original quote about House sacrificing his life for Wilson was not mine. I just read it and Taiga's response and was curious about why Taiga felt goaded on the subject. I wanted to know her opinion on House's actions in "Wilson's Heart". It was pure curiosity and a wish for more information. My sincere apologies - I got the wrong end of the stick and the way it was worded sounded snippy (if you were the original poster, which you're not). Mea culpa.

"Little Things Annoy Us a Whole Lot: The Bitterness Thread" is for what you'll hate, hate, hate to see. Including things on your wish list that you wish won't happen is fine. But if you want to say "I wish such and such won't happen because I'll hate it and then I'll stop watching House but I'll continue to post frequently about how much I hate it because it will be awful and I'll buy voodoo dolls of David Shore and Katie Jacobs and stick pins in them while I hold my breath until I turn blue." take it to the bitterness thread. I feel like this comment is a slap in the face to certain fans of the show, myself included. I won't go in to detail, I will only say that I take offense to it and if this is the position people are going to take on criticism of the show, now that the smart fans and the H/W/C fans have gotten exactly what they wanted from it, I just can't deal with that level of hypocrisy. It was meant to be light-hearted and it wasn't directed at you. I have no problem with people posting criticism of the show, the scripts, the acting or the direction the show seems to be taking. We created the Bitterness thread to give people a chance to vent and I've used it to voice my own unhappiness at times. I even sympathize with people who frequently post on the same subject in Bitterness. (See me on the subject of Foreteen or just Foreman.) I will, however, admit my post did poke a little fun at the people who religiously watch every episode and then post that they are going to stop watching. After the 15th or 20th such announcements there is an element of crying wolf. Finally, I am not a H/W/C fan unless the "C" stands for Chase. I do think the House/Wilson friendship is the most important relationship on the show but, for me, the next most interesting character is Chase, not Cuddy. Speaking of which, toward the end of S5 Chase finally started having something to do (other than be Cameron's boyfriend.) I really wish they will continue this trend and expand on it. I especially loved when Chase agreed to arrange the brain surgery in The Social Contract. Of all the fellows, past and present, he is the one who "gets" House best. And House knows it.

From jim: Quote: The original quote about House sacrificing his life for Wilson was not mine. I just read it and Taiga's response and was curious about why Taiga felt goaded on the subject. I wanted to know her opinion on House's actions in "Wilson's Heart". It was pure curiosity and a wish for more information. My sincere apologies - I got the wrong end of the stick and the way it was worded sounded snippy (if you were the original poster, which you're not). Mea culpa. Truly? Yikes. I was the original poster and it wasn't meant to be snippy. Sincere apology if that is the way it came across. But I stand by my statement, or wish, that I would like to see Wilson apologize to House for the sacrafice House made. As far as Cuddy and Taub, please no. I know they have destroyed the House/Cuddy relationship, of which I am still mourning over, but I really don't want her to date anyone else at the hospital unless it is House.

Ah, the confusion continues! I meant, if jim was the original poster and made the comment: Taiga, why does that goad you? "You disagree with the interpretation of events." or "The truth is hard to hear."? that it would have come off as snippy! You weren't snippy, Taiga wasn't snippy, jim wasn't snippy. *I* was...confused. ;-) Mercury Retrograde strikes again!

Things I would like to see in season six are: * Some of House's recovery and both Wilson and Cuddy visiting House at Mayfield. I would also like to see a some sort of support system set up for House when he first comes back from the Hospital. And House needing and receiving some help to get things back to normal. * House's mother to be there for her son and to be involved in his recovery after he leaves the hospital . * House changed for a little while at least and I also think it would be cool if the others end up realizing they prefer House the way he was. * For this to tie back into the DBS and the motorcycle accident House had in "Locked In" And I would like to see this have some effect on Wilson. * I don't believe the Vicodin was was the cause of House's brake (even though it may have contributed to it and he does need to take it much more responsibly) so I don't have a problem with it coming back. But I do want to see a better pain management plan in place for House with other meds included. And I would love for one of the Mayfield docs to emphasize that House really does need to be on pain meds and is not just an addict. * I want to see everyone wondering how they could have missed what was happening to House and to see how it affects each of them. * More Chase and Cameron and less Thirteen. * Some peace and reassurance for House (even if it is short lived).

Oh, Angelcat, I want everything you want, except this: * More Chase and Cameron and less Thirteen. :lol: I want Cameron as far from Damaged!House as possible. Let Chase take her on a honeymoon to Australia for the first few episodes. I also would like it if PJ and OW appeared in the credits. I think they deserve that by now. And I want a season 7 and 8.

I want Cameron as far from Damaged!House as possible. Let Chase take her on a honeymoon to Australia for the first few episodes. I'd like to have Cameron around Damaged!House because she DOES care about his well-being, just as she cared about Wilson when Amber died. I want House surrounded by people who care about him when he comes back to work. Thirteen and Taub don't seem to appreciate him, but I think the old team does. We were shown their concern for his health in "Half-Wit." It will never happen, of course, but I wish Cuddy would put the old team back together with House to help him regain his footing. I think we've been shown during this past season that they know him very well.

I don't know, I'd think Taub would be somewhat more caring(-ish?) towards House - if only in reaction to what he missed with Kutner. All that said, you have to wonder if House would even particularly want lots of caring people around when he comes back - I would think that when he takes his job back he'd want to prove that he's the same House he's always been, and if anything that'd mean overcompensating in his behavior. House doesn't fundamentally change, after all, probably even after this, and so this period of relative vulnerability may lead to him being even more closed off from most of the cast.

House is very aware of his roles as employee of the hospital and employer/teacher of the fellows and I think he'll be working to get those roles straight rather than any personal relationships first. Diagnosing patients will get him through. The colleague relationships are a little trickier because they are not family, there are no power issues, so Wilson and C/C may be able to get to his personal issues more successfully. Or he may cut them off more completely. I see his healing as being sort of cocoon-like, that he thinks if he can just be in this protective cocoon without people poking at it, he can emerge repaired and just as he was. That most likely isn't true but I can see him thinking that way.

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