One Night I Gave You Everything You Wanted: House/Cuddy This is the spot for House/Cuddy musings.
March301- 08-17-2007
So. Basically I live for House/Cuddy. Anyone else? ;)
Mr. Siviter- 08-17-2007
Don't know if I live for it but it's the ship I like the most. Big sails and an impressive anchor.
sasmom- 08-17-2007
Hey Mr. S!
Welcome. big sails indeed. To me, the House/Cuddy connection has been the emotional center of the show since day 1. She understands him (she often doesn't listen to herself in that understanding) and he understands her. Mutual respect. (He doesn't think she's an idiot--FP). And a heaping cup of mutual attraction.
bailey- 08-17-2007
Of all the ships, it's the one that creeps me out the most.
March301- 08-17-2007
Don't know if I live for it but it's the ship I like the most.
Well, all told, me either. I also live for exaggeration. ;)
Mr. Siviter- 08-21-2007
Well I had a wonderful reply but I keep getting permission denied so I'll just briefly say I couldn't agree with you more sasmom.
Caution, spoilery content for those without the season 3 dvd.You have almost exactly quoted KJ and DS in their comments on the House Cuddy relationship.Spoilery content over, read on!
She gets him, she understand who he is, and she is in control. Not of him but of their relationship. She only lets him get what she wants him to get.
And that's what is so intriguing about this. House is usually the one in control. Wilson may be able to manipulate him on occasion but House, for the most part, controls that relationship. But with Cuddy, he may hold the professional cards but she holds the personal cards.
And bailey, What is it that creeps you out about House/Cuddy?
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Poeia- 08-21-2007
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bailey- 08-21-2007
And bailey, What is it that creeps you out about House/Cuddy?
I see the mutual attraction and the fun-fun snarkiness. What creeps me out about House/Cuddy (as I've said one or two times at the other place, I'm sure) is that Cuddy's actions wrt to House really bother me. Her involvement in the leg surgery bother me (she treated the situation as if Stacy were the patient making all the decisions, not House). Her manipulating him in The Big Lie was beyond awful. The deception helped put House into a tailspin that nearly destroyed him. It's practically a pastime for her to try to teach him humanity or humility, whatever she thinks the situation calls for. During the Tritter arc, when she was the only one at the hospital actually NOT under questioning, she plunged him basically into on-the-job detox by prescribing whatever she thought were 'reasonable' doses with what was, in my opinion, not a whole lot of respect for House's actual pain. Then, of course, there's Cuddy's assessment that House only brings everyone around him down.
House is a manipulative, selfish ass. And he snoops into other peoples' business. But as much of an ass as he is, I've not seen him try anything near as hurtful to her as she has to him. Her controlling nature in an attempt to make decisions, personal decisions, for him creeps me out. In no way do I see their relationship as the emotional center for the show.
Not that I expect TPTB to actually address any of this. I think they get distracted by the fact that LE and HL look striking together and they snark good.
LightMyCandle- 08-21-2007
In no way do I see their relationship as the emotional center for the show.
I'm with you on that. I think their relationship is important but it's never made me go "aww, they love each other. Their relationship is just the heart of this show." Their relationship can be fun at times and it can be bad, which is both of their faults, at other times but I've never thought it was the emotional center.
I see the caring from both sides and I see the attraction from both sides, but they've done nothing to convince me that their relationship is really that important and central to the show. Calling their relationship the "emotional center" has never even crossed my mind because I find it so completely false, and to be honest, it kind of bums me out that KJ thinks it is.
bailey- 08-21-2007
I see the caring from both sides and I see the attraction from both sides, but they've done nothing to convince me that their relationship is really that important and central to the show. Calling their relationship the "emotional center" has never even crossed my mind because I find it so completely false, and to be honest, it kind of bums me out that KJ thinks it is.
What I would hope most people agree with, whether they are slashers or not (I'm not, btw) is that House's relationship with Wilson is the emotional center of the show. I, too, am bummed that KJ would think otherwise. If Cuddy were the true emotional center we would have seen much more of her early on in any capacity other than someone bitching at House to do his job. It was Wilson that was the anchor in all other respects. And now that the 2nd half of season 3 has treated me to much more Cuddy than I've ever wanted, I'm ready for her to recede back to being the administrative harpy that just tells House to do his job.
LightMyCandle- 08-21-2007
is that House's relationship with Wilson is the emotional center of the show.
I totally agree with this (I am a slasher though, so I'm sure I'm biased) but this isn't their thread so I won't get into it here.
But I will say about Cuddy, that you're right, if they wanted us to see her relationship with House as the center of the show then they should have given us more than her always yelling at him to do his job and him making sexual remarks about her. Granted, they've done this in S3, but when have we seen them hang out outside of work? The date stalk doesn't count neither does Airborne. We rarely see them having conversations that go much deeper than, "go do your clinic hours" "you dress like a hooker."
If I got the kind of quiet moments between them where it was clear that they had a deep understanding and connection like I get with House and Wilson then maybe I could buy the idea that they're the "emotional center," but if they expect people to believe that then IMHO, they've done a poor job showing it.
misere- 08-21-2007
What I would hope most people agree with, whether they are slashers or not (I'm not, btw) is that House's relationship with Wilson is the emotional center of the show.
I completely disagree. I don't think that there is "an emotional center" to the show in terms of any one relationship. I dislike the very idea that one relationship is more important than all the others, because that's not what I've seen on screen. All of the relationships have a different but equally important emotional dynamic. That's why there's an ebb and flow to the interactions between the characters, why the focus of House's relationships shifts between Wilson and Cuddy and the ducklings.
bailey- 08-21-2007
What I would hope most people agree with, whether they are slashers or not (I'm not, btw) is that House's relationship with Wilson is the emotional center of the show.
I don't understand why you would hope that. I completely disagree. I don't think that there is "an emotional center" to the show in terms of any one relationship. I dislike the very idea that one relationship is more important than all the others, because that's not what I've seen on screen. All of the relationships have a different but equally important emotional dynamic. That's why there's an ebb and flow to the interactions between the characters, why the focus of House's relationships shifts between Wilson and Cuddy and the ducklings.
My turn to disagree. I think there are very much some relationships far more important than others. I think the Wilson/House relationship is far more important (and lasting) than the House/Foreman relationship. I think House's relationship with Stacy is/was far more important than anything we've seen between House/Cuddy or House/Cameron. Does it mean that any of these characters are incapable of provoking reaction or introspection from House? Of course not. But to consider them all on an equal plane of importance I think would be to discount that House actually has very, VERY few emotional connections with others and from what we've seen so far, Wilson's is the most intense.
But that's a little OT for the House/Cuddy thread. So I'll just reiterate that House/Cuddy tweaks me out and leave it at that.
deelaundry- 08-21-2007
I like House/Cuddy for the sexy banter, and would love to know more backstory about their relationship: how they knew each other at Michigan, what their relationship was like at the time of the infarction, when that one-night stand was.
One thing I found interesting in S3 was how TPTB handled House butting in on Cuddy's date in Insensitive. Cuddy thought it showed that House liked/wanted her... and it seemed like that was supposed to be the clear implication for viewers. But House had done the same thing to Wilson in Fools for Love. Does House not know what/who he wants? Or is he just, as he said in Insensitive, an "Evil bastard who just wants to mess with other people’s happiness"?