Manipulative Bitch: Dr. James Wilson

LMC wrote: I think we're essentially saying the same thing. Which makes me happy! :wink: DrSpaceman wrote: He's the only one of the chracters IMO that started out as pretty one dimensional and then morphed into this complex character who's "more screwed up" than House is. Interesting because I always found Wilson intriguing and never thought about him being one dimensional, not even in the Pilot - where he "lied to a friend to help a stranger". But I agreed that his screw-up-ness level wasn't so high in season 1.

There was so much chocolate coated Wilsony lovely goodness in this last episode, I really don't know where to start. First of all, I love the fact that Wilson is finally happy, and having fun. Please, PTB, don't ruin it by having CTB use him for her own sadistic pleasure. Secondly, I love the fact that our POTW was able to determine that Wilson isn't "all nice". We, the viewers, have known this for some time (our Wilson has many layers), but it is nice to see it verified by an outsider. On a third point, it is cool that the ex-wives don't hate him. What kind of power does he hold over his women, anyway??? Finally, on a purely shallow note, I'm finally getting used to RSL's haircut, so I'm finding the feathers and tufts sorf of appealing. Perish the thought, House, that Wilson is losing his boyish good looks. Boyfriend was undeniably hot and adorkable in Frozen. Can't wait to see what Tuesday brings. Please don't break Wilson's heart. And... if TPTB go there... please let House prove himself to be a friend this time.

Oh, I think HE will break HER heart. Without meaning to, of course.

Does anyone think that Wilson is capable of putting anyone before House? Somehow I think that the only kind of person he might prioritize over House is a possible child. And I'm not even sure he'd be able to do that.

That's a great question. My initial reaction is not ahead of House, but I think he could balance someone else as an equal to House in his life.

Does anyone think that Wilson is capable of putting anyone before House? I really, really doubt it.

Does anyone think that Wilson is capable of putting anyone before House? I really, really doubt it. But he says he's changed. He's broken the pattern. He's on AD's. He's with CTB. He's given up on House. He's moving on. After all, what is the definition of death? Not moving. So these guys have to keep moving or either they die or the show does. And don't forget this show is written by the prototype for House, so ya think he has a wicked sense of humor, teases us mercilessly, sets us up for big twists and then pulls the rug out from under us: who does that sound like? We're all at the mercy of the proto-House, DS, and he, I suspect, is having a blast yanking our chains every which way. And making cool jokes, quoting Latin, Hebrew and French, paying homage to his Canadian roots as well. Wait, whatt thread am I in? Wilson: that's one mixed-up dude. He lives in a hotel till he hooks up with a woman his best friend just fired and then moves in with her. Apparently, he is unable to sign either a mortgage or a rental contract. Perhaps he spends his spare time out on the freeway with a sign reading " Will trade 4-star meals, cancer caree and sex for room and board with needy female." And I bet they stop for him all the time!

He's given up on House. Ooookayyyy, how did you come to that conclusion?

He's given up on House. Ooookayyyy, how did you come to that conclusion? No deep analysis brought me to it LMC more like a general feeling that he has been backing away little by little ever since MLC. I don't think he no longer cares about House, but I think he's mostly given up on trying to change him, control him or get him to see the errors of his ways (and to that I say a personal hallelujah). I think he's trying to build a new life, and yes, has considered that if he's to have a happy life it may have to be without House or at least without House as his sole friend. As much as House has been called miserable and Wilson his only friend, we've never seen a single friend of Wilson's either IIRC, but we've seen Crandall and the poker crew at House's, and now he's trying to open up more and more. Wilson's been pretty miserable himself all this time. Pot, meet kettle. But now he's on the ADs, has found someone to fulfill his need for bravado, sarcasm, and a deeper hurt who is also someone he can sleep with and live with. After being alone in a hotel for what, a year? He's going to try to make this work. Of course, this being the Houseiverse, it will likely blow up one way or another, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them back at the front door of PPTH, trading quips, smiles and then going their separate ways. JMO.

As much as it pains me, I agreed with Boffle. Sort of. I don't think he's "given up" on House, but I do think he is trying to distance himself from him, and trying to create a life on his own. Which is good. Amber may be House's proxi, but she's also a more healthier House, a less bitter person, someone without a self-destructive impulse (as long as we know). I think Wilson's given up on the old House, the one he knew before the infarction. He finally accepted that House changed. And he found his old House in Amber. It's bittersweet, actually. And, at least for now, I don't believe that Amber will go away. We may never see her again (like we never saw Julie) but I think she came to stay.

I agree that Wilson is finally trying to move on, have a life that is does not revolve around House. And I'm proud of him. But like LMC I find it very hard to believe that he would put anyone else before House. I'm saying that based on my belief that people don't "change patterns" just like that, and House always came first for years;I can't see that changing now. I think Wilson's given up on the old House, the one he knew before the infarction. He finally accepted that House changed. And he found his old House in Amber. It's bittersweet, actually. Yes it is bittersweet, but I also think it's messed-up. Being with Amber because she is the House he has no hope of getting back? If it were me, being with someone who reminds me of how (healthy) my best friend used to be, would just hurt. But tha's just the way I see it.

Boffle, I don't disagree on any particular point, however I don't think it means Wilson has given up on House. He may have given up trying to change him, but I consider that a good thing. He hasn't expressed any interest in ending their friendship and that's what I would consider giving up on him.

But Wilson is a very messed up cookie, george :wink: Although, I don't think he is with Amber because of that. But one of the things that might have attracted him was her resemblance with the old House. It's healthier, really. He accepted that House changed, so he can change too. That he got someone who can make him happy, like the old House used to, it's a bonus. LMC wrote: He hasn't expressed any interest in ending their friendship and that's what I would consider giving up on him. I agreed completely. Specially now that he knows that House can make some kind of sacrifice to make him happy, Wilson will never left him.

I kinda see what you mean, Boffle. Wilson is trying to create something for himself outside of his life with House. And who could blame him? How many times has he almost lost House in the past few years? I think Wilson is starting to realize that whether through his own doing (sticking a knife in a wall socket) or some other way (liver giving out, accidental OD, etc.), he may lose House and then he will be left with nothing. So Wilson is in a sense protecting himself by trying to branch out. I don't think he's given up on House per se, but I do think that Wilson is giving serious thought to what happens if House is no longer there. It's not so healthy to "put all your eggs in one bastard" as Dorothy Parker once said (and I reinterpret her bon mot from the original situation).

Wow, what a great quote that is. Perhaps Wilson has realized that, while it can feel good to be needed, in the end it becomes stifling. If so many people need you, you lose control over your own life. I am not sure if House 'needs' Wilson, but if Wilson thinks he does, that may be the reason why he seems to distance himself from House this season. It would give them both the chance to be in a healthier relationships, either with eachother or somebody else.

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