It's Like Vindaloo: Stacy Warner/Sela Ward

And something else I just remembered, don't they usually show/tell us that House has become more bitter and withdrawn since the infarction, and as he himself said in 'Help me', it made him a harder person. So actually it seems to be the other way round and he was probably more affectionate and open about his emotions when he was with Stacy.

And something else I just remembered, don't they usually show/tell us that House has become more bitter and withdrawn since the infarction, and as he himself said in 'Help me', it made him a harder person. So actually it seems to be the other way round and he was probably more affectionate and open about his emotions when he was with Stacy. Or Stacy, in denial about the damage her actions have caused, simply chooses to believe that he really has not changed or been deeply affected. Wilson told her House had suffered when she left, and that he had been the one to "pick up teh pieces." Stacy first accused Wilson of overstating, and then went to Cuddy and asked for affirmation, which Cuddy gave her: "(He was a) narcissistic, megalomaniacal pain in the ass (after you left) ... pretty much the same as before you left." That's preferable to Wilson's guilt-inducing accusations, so that's the one she buys.

Wilson told her House had suffered when she left, and that he had been the one to "pick up teh pieces." Stacy first accused Wilson of overstating, and then went to Cuddy and asked for affirmation, which Cuddy gave her: "(He was a) narcissistic, megalomaniacal pain in the ass (after you left) ... pretty much the same as before you left." That's preferable to Wilson's guilt-inducing accusations, so that's the one she buys. Yes, before she left, but not before she let them cut muscle away against his wishes. He already was cranky and on the verge because of his constant pain before Stacy left. Besides, Cuddy didn't see House like Wilson saw him. Wilson is often the only one to see House smile, so, he is also often the only one to see the worse side of House's suffering. Since Cuddy was a part of the plot behind the surgery against his wishes, House wasn't likely to show all his emotions in front of Cuddy.

he was probably more affectionate and open about his emotions when he was with Stacy. When I really, really disliked her, was when she thought the prescription for her heart condition was "a bit on the cheesy side". She was probably joking (House actually did smile), but what I thought at this time was "Hey, the guy never gives anything away, he's trying to be romantic, it's cute! Tell him!". I was probably feeling like a fourteen years old, I'm afraid.

Here's a medical/legal question. Stacy was House's health care proxy. Even if she goes against House's wishes, legally, what is Cuddy supposed to do? I don't see Cuddy as part of a "plot", but rather as someone who told House's proxy what the choices were and then abided by her wishes. Nor do I think that Stacy was "plotting". She thought that this was the best option and went with it. We don't actually know whether she was wrong medically or not because we don't know what the outcome would have been if she had abided by House's wishes. What if the outcome of Stacy's choice had been terrific, would House still think she had betrayed him?

The purpose of a medical proxy is that the person will speak for you when you can't speak for yourself. You need to pick someone you trust and make sure he or she knows what you want. The proxy has a moral obligation to see to it that your wishes are carried out. Legally, however, whatever he decides goes. If the proxy was not empowered to act independently, there would be no reason to appoint one. You'd just fill out a bunch of forms regarding what you want and get them witnessed and notarized. But you can't foresee every circumstance so you need someone you trust to make those decisions. And, if you want the plug pulled, make sure the proxy would do it immediately -- before it's plugged in. When you have someone who is brain dead and on life support, that's when you get these horrible cases where the parents sue to keep the person on because the patient would never have asked to have the plug pulled and the spouse/proxy is lying about that.

When I really, really disliked her, was when she thought the prescription for her heart condition was "a bit on the cheesy side". She was probably joking (House actually did smile), but what I thought at this time was "Hey, the guy never gives anything away, he's trying to be romantic, it's cute! Tell him!". I know! I'm aware that she probably wasn't serious because she smiled at him a few seconds later, but still, I remember thinking "Are you crazy, making jokes about this?! Something like this, coming from House, quick, you have to encourage and nurture this kind of behaviour!" ;) Oh and I absolutely love when he says "I was trying for romantic" sounding like a little boy who's proud of something he made. Or Stacy, in denial about the damage her actions have caused, simply chooses to believe that he really has not changed or been deeply affected. That's preferable to Wilson's guilt-inducing accusations, so that's the one she buys. I actually wrote something similar over in the Gregory House Thread ;). And it's not just the guilt, she adored the man he used to be, he was the love of her life, imagine how painful it must be to see him loose his spark and deteriorate like this, becoming such a bitter person (especially in front of her I imagine). So yeah, I think denial would be a very likely explanation, but I'm wondering if that's really what TPTB want us to think of Stacy, because they never hinted at such a possibility. And I would have loved for someone to accuse Stacy of this ;). Maybe Wilson, because I enjoyed his rant in her office so much! I love it when he's protective of House and I just love to imagine him "picking up the pieces", taking care of his friend instead of constantly lecturing him.

And something else I just remembered, don't they usually show/tell us that House has become more bitter and withdrawn since the infarction, and as he himself said in 'Help me', it made him a harder person. So actually it seems to be the other way round and he was probably more affectionate and open about his emotions when he was with Stacy. Watching the Stacy arc recently, House was definitely warmer, affectionate, and generally more open with her. It was certainly more of an adult relationship than the one with Cuddy. I'm not crazy about Stacy, but to me, her waffling about what to do was realistic. Many married women opt for affairs. Neither she nor Wilson knew about what happened with Mark, which seems to be what changed House's mind. As far as the infarction, I don't get this whole "plotting" thing. Stacy made what she thought was the right decision for House at the time. Knowing it was probably going to wreck their relationship. I don't think she foresaw how badly it would damage his life. In "Three Stories" the original doctors thought he was a drug-seeker, and am I right in thinking he said he was? Was he already into recreational drugs? It seems to me that, until it was convenient for the plot, he had always been an unhappy person, just less unhappy, before the infarction. If you look at his character as a whole, it makes sense. He's brilliant, isolated, unable to show affection or concern most of the time, probably has PTSD, and frequently moved as a child, which would stunt whatever socializing skills he could have developed. Your mileage may vary.

In "Three Stories" the original doctors thought he was a drug-seeker, and am I right in thinking he said he was? Was he already into recreational drugs? No. The drug seeking behavior label was the first mistake in the diagnosis. Once labeled, it became easy to dismiss him. House does refer to him as a drug user, but he also refers to the farmer as "snake bite guy" when in fact he knew at the time that he was not bitten by a snake. It was all part of the lesson. Not to say that he hadn't sampled, because most people of House's age who were teenagers in the 70s did. In terms of House's happiness, I don't think they've changed anything with the way his issues have been portrayed. Life with Stacy was a better time for him, but he had that core of unhappiness. I also think that Wilson was right that the infarction and the Vicodin had an effect on him, but it took House until his breakdown to deal with that himself.

Not to say that he hadn't sampled, because most people of House's age who were teenagers in the 70s did. Many people who were teenagers in the 60s, 80s and 90s did as well. I'm not crazy about Stacy, but to me, her waffling about what to do was realistic. Many married women opt for affairs. Neither she nor Wilson knew about what happened with Mark, which seems to be what changed House's mind. She knew House well enough to know that he wasn't looking for an affair and he would demand that she choose. If she wasn't planning to leave Mark she should have told House, as soon as they had slept together, that it was a mistake, a one-time thing and that she was staying with Mark. Plus, she created the entire situation. I understand that she wanted Mark treated by House but that brought them back into contact. Then, by the time House had diagnosed Mark, he had accepted that he had lost and that Stacy was in love with her husband. At that point, rather than leaving well enough alone, she followed him to his office to tell him "you were the one." Finally, when Cuddy went to her and said "We could use a constitutional lawyer on the staff," she didn't say it would be a bad idea. She accepted -- as long as House said it was okay, thereby ensuring that they'd be in regular contact until Mark was completely better. As far as the infarction, I don't get this whole "plotting" thing. Stacy made what she thought was the right decision for House at the time. Knowing it was probably going to wreck their relationship. I don't think she foresaw how badly it would damage his life. Stacy put her medical opinion above his. She didn't give the course of treatment he chose a chance to work. And she made that decision while he was still conscious. She did that despite the fact that Cuddy had told her "He could be right, he could come out of this with almost full use of his leg." I know that her motives were good, but can you imagine how she would react if House ignored her legal advice? Think of when he offered to pay the Medicare man for the Viagra. Her life, the way she would live it and her ability to trust the person closest to her weren't on the line but she still gave him a glare that would have done Medusa proud.

And something else I just remembered, don't they usually show/tell us that House has become more bitter and withdrawn since the infarction, and as he himself said in 'Help me', it made him a harder person. So actually it seems to be the other way round and he was probably more affectionate and open about his emotions when he was with Stacy. Watching the Stacy arc recently, House was definitely warmer, affectionate, and generally more open with her. It was certainly more of an adult relationship than the one with Cuddy. But I wasn't referring to the Stacy Arc, I meant (in reply to a post by Namaste) that he was more openly vulnerable and affectionate before the infarction and not afterwards. Although I'm sure that what we saw with Stacy were remnants of his past self. But I wouldn't say that theirs was a more adult relationship than House/Cuddy. First of all, we haven't seen Cuddy and House in an actual romantic relationship yet. Stacy and House were a lot closer and had been more intimate with each other in the past, so of course he would interact and respond to her differently and be more at ease and comfortable to show some tenderness, because he's basically falling back into old pattern. And just as Cuddy, Stacy would sometimes treat him like a mother would treat a rebellious child, chiding him and even hitting his arm in annoyance and in front of other people...doesn't look very mature to me. And what about all the stunts House pulled to manipulate or annoy Stacy? Doesn't seem much different from the way he treats Cuddy. And with Cuddy there's also the employer-employee relationship, which is where most conflicts stem from, and with Stacy, he doesn't have that rivalry. As far as the infarction, I don't get this whole "plotting" thing. Stacy made what she thought was the right decision for House at the time. Knowing it was probably going to wreck their relationship. I agree with the second part, especially the risking/sacrificing her relationship for the sake of House's life, instead of closing her eyes to what's happening and just hoping for the best, but how was she not "plotting"? As Poeia said, she let him go into the coma, already planning to ignore his wishes. And imagine how much House must have trusted her, given the fact that he went into the coma without any apprehensions, knowing that she was his proxy and that she persisted on amputation.

Just a random thought : I seem to remember one of Stacy's comment to House (I can't quote exactly) : "Sorry. I forgot Wednesday was hooker Day". How did she know that? Did Wilson really tell us everything he knows? Or did House use hookers before her? Or was she just joking? :?

I’m a lawyer. You’re a jerk. "... there´s bound to be some overlap" heheheh, brilliant

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