I wonder if we can demand them paying for the medication we need to fight the headaches the time line gives us
Hail the Random- 11-05-2007
I know! We can say,"Either give us some semi-understandable H/W, or you pay for our medical bills when we get migrains from trying to figure out the subtext!"
filex1410- 11-05-2007
Cuddy is also a girl wonder and graduated medical school at 25, so I doubt we're supposed to think that Wilson graduated earlier than she did.
Taiga, I'm not very good on the House/Cuddy time line but couldn't her rapid rise have been more after she left school (What's the normal age for Med school grads? I thought it was 25/26) and got into administration. Or if House didn't know her during school (I remember she knew him at Michigan, because he was a legend, but there is no confirmation the he knew her.) maybe that isn't significant to him and not meant to be to us.
But if he knew Wilson during his schooling and Wilson was accomplished at an early age, even earlier than House perhaps, that is something that would have stuck. It might have been the first thing that made House curious about Wilson to see if he was the real deal intellect wise, which I guess he was.
ITA about Wilson's reaction on the roof. Earlier on Wilson wanted House to stay away from Stacy on a personal basis for fear he would be hurt whnen she turned him down.
But once he realized that Stacy was serious about staying with House, but House turned her away, Wilson becames angry beacuse he sees it as House turning away a chance to be happy again and hurting himself.
Taiga- 11-05-2007
This season we'll probably learn that House has a brother (because no one has sisters on this show) who's given him a blue-eyed snarky genius niece and Wilson is an only child.
I'm not very good on the House/Cuddy time line but couldn't her rapid rise have been more after she left school (What's the normal age for Med school grads? I thought it was 25/26) and got into administration.
I think 25 is normal for graduating medical school, but then Cuddy says that she became Dean of Medicine at 32. IRL that's impossible, going from a fresh med school grad to Dean of Medinine in seven years; she would have barely completed her sub-specialty training. So yeah, that's a rapid rise, but it indicates that she must be a whiz kid to have done it. (Unless she hypnotized every boss she's ever had with her boobs...oh God, I love Cuddy but now I want to read a fic where we find out she slept her way to the top).
filex1410- 11-05-2007
Sad to say but it would hardly be surprising would it. :wink:
So maybe House wasn't around for all of Cuddy's leap froging after they were no longer at the same school and again it just isn't important to him so not played up very much to us.
Although I think we are meant to see House as respecting both Wilson and Cuddy's professional achievements even as he derides her as being the devil and a bad doctor and dismisses Wilson for his patient manipulation and psycho-babble.
ETA, Cuddy became significant to House again (after what ever interaction they had one night, maybe he helped her thru her specilaty) when she achieved the postion where she could give him a job, since I guess no one else would. Although I have no idea when that was and if she was the first at PPTH to hire him or just brought him back for Diagnostics post-infarction. I ain't wading into that one.
Taiga- 11-05-2007
We should put together a show canon Bible and workable timeline and give it to the writers as a gesture of support for their strike!
Hail the Random- 11-05-2007
Great, Tagia. You made my brain work! (although I applaud you, not many people can do that.)
Here.
Lully- 11-06-2007
That's great HTR!
But can I talk a little more about the timeline?
Taiga wrote:
Cuddy says that she became Dean of Medicine at 32.
I don't know if it's the same thing, but Cuddy said she was Chief of Medicine at 32. I always thought there's a difference between Chief/Dean. Am I wrong?
Back to Hector... No I'm not happy with the his timeline, but as filex said, there are too many clues there to be reject as mistakes. Wilson's second marriage at age of 20/22 do not surprise me at all. Actually I think it's pretty much in character.
The LLB always bugs me... But since he completely disappear around the time that House/Stacy got together, maybe House was distracted... (who I'm kidding? There's no LLB...) :roll:
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hwshipper- 11-06-2007
This season we'll probably learn that House has a brother (because no one has sisters on this show) who's given him a blue-eyed snarky genius niece and Wilson is an only child.
That would be hilarious if only there wasn't a sneaking fear in the back of my mind that it could actually happen (the niece thing anyway. Maybe not as a niece, but House has an Aunt Sarah so he could have cousins...)
No one has sisters on this show? Interesting observation *screws up brain thinking about this* well, Aunt Sarah is probably either Blythe or John House's sister. Blythe's would be my guess. OK it's kinda minor canon.
Namaste- 11-06-2007
Want to get even more confuddled about the House/Wilson timeline? It occurred to me that the wives -- or at least Bonnie -- had to have known of/met LLB if we go with the 17-year Hector timeline, combined with the nine-12 year missing brother timeline (figuring in the time that's passed since "Histories"). Even if Wilson for some reason wanted to keep LLB a secret prior to his disappearance, I can't imagine that at Thanksgiving or some family function, his name wouldn't have come up.
And if Bonnie was pissed at House for steal Wilson away as she appeared, wouldn't she have tossed LLB's existence into House's face at some point about how she knew Wilson better? Or did both Bonnie and Wilson keep LLB's existence a secret (and I can't imagine Bonnie being able to keep a secret, especially when she's then pissed off during a divorce.)
Now if they married after LLB's disappearance I think it's easier to fanwank the potential that the family simply didn't speak of LLB because it upset Mom too much or something, so Bonnie could conceivably have been in the dark too.
Poeia- 11-06-2007
Cuddy might have a sister (or two). There were pictures on her desk of some girls who we all guessed were her nieces. Whether they would be the daughters of her sister or her brother is anyone's guess.
Known
House is an only child.
Foreman has one brother (Marcus).
Wilson has two brothers, one of whom is long lost.
Unknown
Chase seems to be an only child, however that has never been specified. As there is a stepmother, there might be some half-siblings.
Cameron has a brother and an unknown quantity of other siblings.
Cuddy's family composition has never been revealed.
We actually know more details of Wilson's home life than we do of most of the other supporting characters -- possibly because he's the only one with whom House has a non-professional relationship. His parents are alive (or, at least were alive after House and Wilson became friends). He has two brothers. He has been married 3 times. His second wife was Bonnie and his third was Julie. No children. One dog. He went to McGill and got his medical degree from Columbia...
LightMyCandle- 11-06-2007
I always thought of LLB as the family secret. There's always something or someone in every family that no one talks about to each other, let alone to people outside the family. I agree that Bonnie probably couldn't keep a thing like LLB a secret so I'm assuming she didn't know about him.
piepeloe- 11-06-2007
I agree, especially if it's something that maybe could have been prevented if handled better, or that would make them look bad. Wilson cares a fair deal about how people perceive him, so it's not unreasonable to assume his parents did too.
Plus, just because he says is 'Histories' that the last time he saw his brother was nine years ago, doesn't mean he was around that much before that. In fact, it's pretty likely LLB disappeared for months at a time except for the occasional phonecall and kept this kind of behaviour up for years until that final meeting with Wilson. That would explain why House and/or the wives never knew about LLB.
idonmatrix- 11-06-2007
I agree, especially if it's something that maybe could have been prevented if handled better, or that would make them look bad. Wilson cares a fair deal about how people perceive him, so it's not unreasonable to assume his parents did too.
Plus, just because he says is 'Histories' that the last time he saw his brother was nine years ago, doesn't mean he was around that much before that. In fact, it's pretty likely LLB disappeared for months at a time except for the occasional phonecall and kept this kind of behaviour up for years until that final meeting with Wilson. That would explain why House and/or the wives never knew about LLB.
Yes this is what I believe too. The LLB is a family secret and was not around much before the H/W Histories convo, which is why I suspect the CIA POTW is Wilson's LLB.
m_supercomputer- 11-06-2007
There's some evidence Chase has a half-sister - in...crap, I'm not sure, I think "Fools for Love?"...after Chase thinks something genetic might be a coincidence, House says "is it a coincidence your sister has great hair?" So, probably, though of course there's always a possibility House was being metaphorical, I guess.
And, hee, I'm pleased we know the most about Wilson of any non-House character, I have to admit. I posted something about that a few days ago, coincidentally, here in the Wilson thread. I said, basically, that you can divide the supporting characters into two categories, if you're so inclined: ones whose family/parents we know about (Foreman and Chase, and now Kutner too), and ones whose romantic lives we know something about (Cameron, Cuddy and most of all Wilson).
And, can I indulge myself in a mildly tinhat-ish overthought theory? Foreman and Chase, and probably eventually Kutner, are positioned as surrogate (adopted) children of House, so it makes sense that we know about their upbringing. Cuddy and Cameron are canonically love interests for House, so it makes sense that we know about their romantic pasts. This, to my mind puts Wilson more strongly in the love interest category since we know much much more about his romantic life than we do about his parents. (Yes, a sample size of 5-6 is probably too small to draw any concrete conclusions, but I said this was me being self-indulgent, right? *g*)
So. If it follows that there are 3 love interests, let's look at how much we know about their families: Wilson most, Cam in the middle, and Cuddy the least. Cuddy, we literally know almost nothing about aside from her career, including her romantic/sexual past outside of House. With Wilson, we not only know Wilson's family's basic composition but a little hint of their dynamics if they could have a missing relative they never mention.
So, what (admittedly biased) conclusion does this lead to? Cuddy seems very much in the substitute mom role, based on what we and House know about her - it makes sense that arrested adolescent House has little interest in her life before and outside him. And Wilson, who we know most about? The spouse. That's how I'd describe the love interest whose family one knows most about, anyway.
...there are probably numerous holes to be poked in this, of course, but I love my theory, so, yeah.
And, wow, did I really type something that long? Yes, yes I did. I must really want to avoid doing work today...
Edited by Poeia to fix link and remove stray tag.
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