If the primary cause of his depression is House, how's he supposed to treat it?! :? Basically he's DOOMED!
I guess Wilson should be seeing a therapist, and *probably* is from what he said to House in Resignation ('I can't just give you my prescription, you need to see a psychiatrist...') - though that may have just been to get the prescription rather than long-term therapy.
Personally I tend to think if Wilson was in therapy House would have broken into the office and gotten a look at his records by now. Even if they were in a different hospital. Even if they were in another country, House would be hacking into their computer...
Lully- 10-30-2007
Basically he's DOOMED
:lol: He really is!
I tend to think if Wilson was in therapy House would have broken into the office and gotten a look at his records by now.
It's interesting that House seems to have an amazing self-control about Wilson's personal issues. He was curious about the yawn, but once he knew the reason he didn't continue with the subject. The same thing about the LLB. He wanted to know why Wilson was so interested in the patient and followed him, but after Wilson told him about the LLB, that was it, no more questions, at least that we could see.
It's a peculiar behaviour for House...
Oh, and I'd love if Wilson would do therapy, but I don't know why, I doubt that he is.
Silja- 10-30-2007
…one of less slashy posters made the point that, as an adult, Wilson would know the difference between lust, love, other, etc . . . and then someone else stated that didn't exactly HAVE TO be the case--but then didn't qualify the statement. I think I'll go ahead and do that: Adults. Are. Just. As. Dumb. As. Kids. Sometimes. I have a relative, bless her heart who is smart, capable, hardworking, ethical, honest . . . but the woman Can Not Be Alone. Her entire adult life she's been a "serial monogamist." She found The Love of Her Life and moved in with him. She became miserably unhappy with him at some point because they had nothing REAL in common, and she only "fell in love" with him because he was the nearest male to her who was lavishing her with attention and affection. But she DID NOT LEAVE HIM. At least, not until a guy got hired where she worked and developed a huge crush on her. Then she left the first man that made her miserable, and started dating Work Guy. With whom she also fell "in love" for pretty much the same reasons she fell in love with man #1. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
I know a few people like that :) but no matter what I may think, it's still falling in love. It's real - it's just a different definition of love, one that isn't 'soul mate forever and ever'. I could shake my head and think it spectacularly silly, but it's not my place to say what constitutes love for a particular person. Serial relationships aren't necessarily a question of not understanding or recognising love.
I think Wilson's patterns of dates and marriages are a consequence of self-esteem issues. He marries the woman that he believes won't leave him. The woman who jumps him. All the responsibility is on her hands. A classic passive-agressive behaviour. I guess in the end he "forces" the wife to abandon him and House is his big excuse. As Speedy said: lather, rinse, repeat. Three times, until now.
It's an interesting interpretation, and I agree with much of it. My own take on his marriages is that he falls head over heals with this woman who throws herself at him – suddenly there's a person who *wants* him, needs him, constantly – and when reality seeps back into his life, he finds himself incapable of making all the little sacrifices that a marriage takes - perhaps because the woman suddenly doesn't need or want him with the same intensity. There isn't enough of a payoff for him and he begins looking for another way of getting emotional validation. Either way, he loves them dearly, but doesn't realise that he's in love with the ideal of the relationship rather than the actual person.
And While it may not be series Canon that Wilson is a closeted Homosexual--it's CERTAINLY NOT by any means an outlandish suggestion given the character information we have about him that does come directly from the series.
I don't think it's an outlandish suggestion either. An outlandish suggestion would be to claim that Wilson is in fact in a witness protection programme and that's why he knew so much about the mob in Mob Rules. Not likely in the least, but it's a curious thought. The idea that Wilson could be gay isn't outside the realm of reason, but I disagree that his orientation is the source of his emotional isolation – or the source of his marital failures. I think his family situation has a lot to do with it and his professional choices. He's incredibly ambitious – he'd have to be to make Department Head in his thirties – and he's picked of one of the most emotionally scarring specialities.
Hibernia- 10-30-2007
It's interesting that House seems to have an amazing self-control about Wilson's personal issues. He was curious about the yawn, but once he knew the reason he didn't continue with the subject. The same thing about the LLB. He wanted to know why Wilson was so interested in the patient and followed him, but after Wilson told him about the LLB, that was it, no more questions, at least that we could see.
It's a peculiar behaviour for House...
Maybe House respects Wilson more than anyone else?
hwshipper- 10-30-2007
Maybe House respects Wilson more than anyone else?
That's a nice thought, it may even be true but... would it really stop House sticking his nose into such major matters as LLB and the ADs?
I suppose it might be seen as House losing interest after the initial mystery is solved (like in the Pilot: 'my work here is done' after the diagnosis). But I'm more inclined to think that House continues to pry, but off-screen. E.g. I think Wilson must've told House all about LLB offscreen after the ep ended, because I can't believe House would have let him leave it there.
Jouse- 10-30-2007
Personally I tend to think if Wilson was in therapy House would have broken into the office and gotten a look at his records by now. Even if they were in a different hospital. Even if they were in another country, House would be hacking into their computer...
I've been begging for a fic of the sort since Resignation. An actual canon take would be a wet dream.
Maybe House respects Wilson more than anyone else?
My guess would be TPTB's continuity phobia raising it's ugly head again.
…one of less slashy posters made the point that, as an adult, Wilson would know the difference between lust, love, other, etc . . . and then someone else stated that didn't exactly HAVE TO be the case--but then didn't qualify the statement. I think I'll go ahead and do that: Adults. Are. Just. As. Dumb. As. Kids. Sometimes. I have a relative, bless her heart who is smart, capable, hardworking, ethical, honest . . . but the woman Can Not Be Alone. Her entire adult life she's been a "serial monogamist." She found The Love of Her Life and moved in with him. She became miserably unhappy with him at some point because they had nothing REAL in common, and she only "fell in love" with him because he was the nearest male to her who was lavishing her with attention and affection. But she DID NOT LEAVE HIM. At least, not until a guy got hired where she worked and developed a huge crush on her. Then she left the first man that made her miserable, and started dating Work Guy. With whom she also fell "in love" for pretty much the same reasons she fell in love with man #1. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
I'm the "someone else"! :) And thank you speedy, that was exactly my intention.
Though going to therapy is not considered only for nutcases anymore, western society still doesn't actively encourage it's members to work out their childhood fuckups, or certainly not condemning them for not doing so. That's why I know a lot of adults in their 40's or 50's who seem to be waking up from some sort of a trance and initiating drastic changes in their life (not the middle-age crisis type, the kind that stick - American Beauty anyone?), after living accordingly to the normative requirements.
Lully- 10-30-2007
Hibernia wrote:
Maybe House respects Wilson more than anyone else?
If that was the reason I'd be a shocked shipper!
hwshipper wrote:
would it really stop House sticking his nose into such major matters as LLB and the ADs?
I don't think House's loses his interest just because he found out the superficial answer. But it's true that they could have talked about all of this off-screen, so we will never know :evil:
Maybe he is so cautious with Wilson's personal matters because he fears that that it's the point where Wilson draws the line.
Ok, the true is I have no idea why House does this... maybe he just likes mysterious!Wilson...
Silja wrote:
An outlandish suggestion would be to claim that Wilson is in fact in a witness protection programme and that's why he knew so much about the mob in Mob Rules.
:rofl: Why no one never wrote a fic with this crack-AU-hilarious idea?
MaryIsobel- 10-30-2007
If the primary cause of his depression is House, how's he supposed to treat it?! Basically he's DOOMED!
If you actually want a mundane answer from the real world, speaking as one who has undergone extensive therapy (and has very old BA in psychology), my guess would be the therapist would try to get Wilson to realize that he is over-involved in House's issues (perhaps as a way of avoiding his own?) and to draw some more appropriate boundaries. And figure out what it is not his responsibility to try to change in House and if none of that is enough, to try to disengage. Maybe that would explain the supposed "distancing" which some people have commented on elsewhere....?
LightMyCandle- 10-30-2007
Maybe House respects Wilson more than anyone else?
While, I do believe he respects Wilson, I just don't see that stopping him from prying into his life. I personally believe that the conversation at the end of Histories continued and Wilson told House everything, but that's just me. As for the ADs, you're guess is as good as mine. Possibly, House doesn't really want to talk about it because it makes him uncomfortable?
On the surface it seems Wilson is trying to get better, but what if he is only taking the meds to continue to function? I mean if you only take the AD's, and nothing more, you will seem more functional, but you won't really be treating the primary cause of the depression, will you? How this kind of thing works in RL?
I have no idea how it works in RL but it would appear that Wilson is trying to make his life better. It's been said before, but he does seem to have a lighter attitude this year, whereas last year he consistantly looked like he was about to pass out from stress. But then, he's still in the hotel, maybe he's taking baby steps. I wouldn't say Wilson is more screwed up than House but definately just as screwed up, just in different ways.
arizonamyrie- 10-30-2007
On the surface it seems Wilson is trying to get better, but what if he is only taking the meds to continue to function? I mean if you only take the AD's, and nothing more, you will seem more functional, but you won't really be treating the primary cause of the depression, will you? How this kind of thing works in RL?
I have no idea how it works in RL but it would appear that Wilson is trying to make his life better.
I work in health care. In most cases, a physician (either the person's own doctor or psychiatrist) will prescribe an AD, but coach the patient to seek some sort of counseling and/or take steps to change the situation that is causing the problems. It's usually counseling though.
I see Wilson's moving to the hotel as being a step to distance himself from the tension that House can cause. It's not a step away from the relationship, but a step to make it stronger by giving them distance. As independent as House is, it seems as if he can also be clingy. House, like Vicodin, is something to be taken in smaller doses.
Lully- 10-30-2007
I see Wilson's moving to the hotel as being a step to distance himself from the tension that House can cause.
I would agree with this if before he moved to the hotel he had not done a pit-stop at Grace's apartament first.
I also think that he wanted to put a distance between House and himself - and the reasons for that may vary according to your fanon - but the way he chose to do it was all kinds of wrong (I'm not even talking about the ethics and moral codes involved) and he actually created more tension for himself.
So why did he do it? Because Grace was needy? Because she jumped him and he couldn't say no? Or because he was starting to feel too comfortable with House so he had to repeat the same behaviour he had with his wives?
Whatever is the answer, it's just proved to me how much screwed up Wilson is.
idonmatrix- 10-30-2007
Well I don't have any problems with Wilson staying at Grace's place. Since women usually jump Wilson, I think I can safely assume Grace jumped him. He provided her with physical and emotional comfort. The relationship probably improved the quality of her life.
What I find more interesting well puzzling is why Wilson wanted to stay on House's couch in the first place and then abruptly move out AFTER House indicated he wanted Wilson to stay. At the end of Safe, I got the impression that Wilson planned to stay until he found a semi-permanent place. They were glowing in All In and then lo and behold Wilson moves out. Why or why dear writers?? Did you leave clues that I may have overlooked?
sautomne- 10-30-2007
Quite frankly, that has me scratching my head too. I always felt like there was a missing episode between All In and SDL or between SDL and Hvs.G.
Taiga- 10-30-2007
Maybe House isn't hacking into Wilson's therapy files because, unlike Stacy, he thinks that there's nothing in there about him and that's all he cares about.
Lully- 10-30-2007
Idon, I wasn't making a moral judgement about Wilson/Grace relationship. Like you I also think that Grace was very happy having Wilson around. I was talking how this kind of behaviour was unhealthy to Wilson, personally and professionally.
I always felt like there was a missing episode between All In and SDL or between SDL and Hvs.G.
I'd guess between SDL and HvsG. In the beginning of SDL Cuddy told House that was already time to Wilson find a new cage, which implied that he was still at House's. House dismissed the idea which I always find interesting since it was obvious that Wilson's presence disturbed his sleep. It's a lot of sacrifice to do just to get a good meal, if you ask me - I don't change any of my sleeping hours not even for chocolate, but maybe that's just me.
Maybe House isn't hacking into Wilson's therapy files because, unlike Stacy, he thinks that there's nothing in there about him and that's all he cares about.
House thinks that the world (or at least PPTH) revolves around him, there's no way he would assume that some of Wilson's problems weren't all about him. Besides, he is too curious about everything, why not about Wilson?
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