Notice we're in the shipper thread. To answer your question - Don't assume anything. Don't fall into that trap Wink Wilson is a closeted homosexual who kept getting married, thinking it would put his life in order, instead of acknowledging his sexuality and his feelings for his best friend. Mod here - No need for the tone. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you probably didn't intend to be snotty, but this brings up an important issue. Yes, there is another thread for the H/W friendship, but that doesn't mean that all points of view are not welcome here. We at HHoW don't want to ghettoize the shippers to one thread and the friendshippers to another. This has never been our attention. Everyone is welcome here. If I see anyone try to imply otherwise, there is going to be a problem. -Sauty

A tad unfair, after I apologised for the phrasing and clarified that it was just a prelude for a slashy answer.

Have I mentioned it's Mercury Retrograde? When the planet of communication goes backwards and there are tons of misunderstandings? If I haven't, I should. Everyone take a deep breath, remember we're amongst family and return to your regularly scheduled House/Wilson discussion. And repeat after me, "F***ing Mercury Retrograde!" It'll all be over in a few days. :-) Modiliciously, Fiddy http://www.karmastrology.com/mercrx.shtml

So, although this is off-topic, who else finds that they go to post but it takes them longer than they planned to type everything they wanted to say? As a result, by the time you actually hit "submit" there are three pages of posts between the one you were answering and yours. And everyone else is thinking "why is she still talking about that?" F***ING MERCURY RETROGRADE! Edited because questions deserve question marks.

*yells* "F***ING MERCURY RETROGRADE!!!" Why must the planets toy with us so?!? But getting back to the CIVIL discussion: one of less slashy posters made the point that, as an adult, Wilson would know the difference between lust, love, other, etc . . . and then someone else stated that didn't exactly HAVE TO be the case--but then didn't qualify the statement. I think I'll go ahead and do that: Adults. Are. Just. As. Dumb. As. Kids. Sometimes. I have a relative, bless her heart who is smart, capable, hardworking, ethical, honest . . . but the woman Can Not Be Alone. Her entire adult life she's been a "serial monogamist." She found The Love of Her Life and moved in with him. She became miserably unhappy with him at some point because they had nothing REAL in common, and she only "fell in love" with him because he was the nearest male to her who was lavishing her with attention and affection. But she DID NOT LEAVE HIM. At least, not until a guy got hired where she worked and developed a huge crush on her. Then she left the first man that made her miserable, and started dating Work Guy. With whom she also fell "in love" for pretty much the same reasons she fell in love with man #1. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. An H/W shipper looks at Wilson's many marriages (a cannon fact of the show), *and* his dating pattern as explained *on the show* by Bonnie, as well as his method of killing the relationship (more or less ignoring it until it dies) . . . and while it doesn't spell out THE MAN IS GAY in big canon-sized letters . . . it also doesn't exactly SCREAM that Wilson is an emotionally confident and self-aware man who decides what he wants and goes for it. My personal view of Wilson is that he has always seen himself as nice, successful, and stable. And what do nice, successful, and stable men do? They get married to nice women. While it seems that Wilson didn't want this enough to romantically pursue a prospective wife, he accepted it happily when they wanted him. And then instead of admitting that he's not emotionally invested in his marriage for his own emotional reasons, he just crawls into the hole that is work--and of course goes rushing to House's side whenever House needs the slightest bit of help with anything . . . much to the dismay of the wives. I think Wilson desperately wants to be the man all his wives saw him as AT FIRST, the man he doubtless grew up assuming he'd become. But at the end of the day, while he may grow to love some women on a certain level, I don't believe he feels deep romantic attachments to them. He just talked himself into believing that the love he felt for his wives was deep/romantic because he wanted it to be. And While it may not be series Canon that Wilson is a closeted Homosexual--it's CERTAINLY NOT by any means an outlandish suggestion given the character information we have about him that does come directly from the series. . . . I have just spent a seriously long time typing this, hopefully I'm not stupidly off-topic when I post. *crosses fingers and posts*

I was wondering about that, reading the posts, they seemed out of order or something! But the question is whether House actively forced Wilson to spend time away from Julie, or if Wilson spent time with House because he didn't want to deal with his marriage. In other words, was House actively sabotaging Wilson's marriages? My opinion is maybe once in a rare while like we saw in 'Honeymoon', yes, and no. In other words House is a demanding friend but it's Wilson's choice to be his friend. I don't think House wanted to sabotage Wilson's marriages; he puts himself first and wouldn't hesitate to demand Wilson's time even if it meant a fight between Dr. and Mrs Wilson, but a few times we saw him try to warn Wilson off adultery and in 'Sex Kills' he told Wilson to go home to his wife. I think that as you say Wilson spent time with House to avoid his failing marriages, as we saw in DIYD. The fact that House let him doesn't make him a bad friend, because it was Wilson's decision to do so. It almost seems like a chicken or egg question. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The rooster. :lol:

But later, doesn't Bonnie imply that House "always needing" Wilson and Wilson "always there" for him also contributed to the demise of the marriage. It almost seems like a chicken or egg question. Yes. Bonnie says that House always "needed" Wilson, who was always there for him. To be specific, let's go to the tape (or the transcript, if you will): Bonnie: James at least had the decency to feel guilty when he hurt me! House: Whereas I never hurt you! I never even married you, cleverly hoping to avoid moments like this one. Bonnie: You always needed him, and he was always there for you! House: You keep yelling, and I’ll think you owe me sex. Bonnie: You knew he had a wife waiting at home, you didn’t care. I’m not saying you broke up the marriage, but you didn’t help. So even she's not blaming him, but saying that he was a contributing factor. And in terms of the needing, there's certainly canon evidence that Wilson likes being needed -- I'd hazard to give the opinion that it would, in fact, be out of character for Wilson to turn down someone who needed him. (Bonnie doesn't say that House was actively calling Wilson away, just that he needed him, by the way.) So I still don't think there's evidence that House was consciously sabotaging Wilson's marriages, at least from my point of view.

Bonnie doesn't say that House was actively calling Wilson away, just that he needed him, by the way. Good point. You also reminded me of something else that's fascinating about this pair, yin and yang as Doris Egan once called them: Bonnie: James at least had the decency to feel guilty when he hurt me! House: Whereas I never hurt you! Wilson hurts women yet is regarded as the nice guy, while House doesn't but is still considered a bastard.

I agree. House is self-centered and selfish and doesn't like to share his possessions. He considers Wilson his possession. What is behind their attachment to each other. House demands and Wilson concedes. I really, really want to why and how it got to be that way. House told us that Wilson didn't have any friends when he was growing up. Was House his first real friend? Damn, I wish they would give us some backstory on how they met.

I have a relative, bless her heart who is smart, capable, hardworking, ethical, honest . . . but the woman Can Not Be Alone. Ok, Speedy, where did you meet my sister? :shock: I think Wilson's patterns of dates and marriages are a consequence of self-esteem issues. He marries the woman that he believes won't leave him. The woman who jumps him. All the responsibility is on her hands. A classic passive-agressive behaviour. I guess in the end he "forces" the wife to abandon him and House is his big excuse. As Speedy said: lather, rinse, repeat. Three times, until now. House is not responsible for the marriage's failure, but I think he feels guilty, nevertheless - because Wilson probably makes him feels guilty. I'm quite sure that after I post it nothing I wrote will make any sense... :roll:

I agree. House is self-centered and selfish and doesn't like to share his possessions. He considers Wilson his possession. Exactly, House thinks that he should come first, he expects Wilson to be available to him at any given moment and Wilson lets him. When House needs him, he's there. The wife is not the first priority, to either of them. Of course, she has no reason to be first for House, Wilson is the one who married her, House may call him away but Wilson has a choice about whether or not to come.

The wife is not the first priority, to either of them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I thought it telling that Wilson never once referred to Julie by her name. And Lully, I too believe that Wilson passively "forced" his wives to leave him - even though 'Housetraining' made it sound like he was the one who walked out on Bonnie. OMG Lully and speedy are sisters! And yes there is a club, one of my former male classmates subscribed to it. We called it Emotionally Vulnerable Women R Us.