The only direct example of House calling Wilson away from his wife besides "Daddy's Boy" came in "Honeymoon" when he's angsting over Stacy's return. He calls Wilson to meet him in a bar, and Wilson says "My wife’s going to kill me. We’re having company, she cooked." For smaller examples, there's asking him out to go see monster trucks in "Sports Medicine," cruising around in his new mob car together in "Mob Rules," and helping him get ready for the date with Cameron in "Love Hurts." And arguably you could count "Babies & Bathwater," since I'd imagine Wilson was hanging out at the hospital extra-long to avoid telling Julie he'd quit due to a House-caused situation, but that's fanon (but logical fanon, IMO), so maybe not. So that's...a not insignificant amount of time, I think? Added to the times they're clearly spending extra time at the hospital so they can hang out, you get even more. All this time spent with House is probably extra-grating to Julie because, given how vicious House is about women he so much as *suspects* Wilson of dating (well, except Cuddy, but that's of course a special case), I can only imagine how obnoxious he is to women he actually marries. Though, of course, I don't think it's fair to blame House for any of this, and I'd bet most H/W shippers feel the same way (though I could be wrong): Wilson made his choices, after all.

Didn't House sleep with Stacy after she married Mark, which really doesn't jive with House taking marriage seriously? My comment on that question, which I addressed originally in the Cameron thread, is that House didn't begin to actively pursue Stacy until he read her file from the shrink's office, and knew that her marriage with Mark was already on the rocks -- added to the "you were the one" comment that makes things quite tipsy. So if he believed that the marriage was all but over (and with Stacy's past it's not that hard for him to reach that speculation) he may have believed that it was his only chance to get her back. After all, if they split, she had no reason to remain in Princeton. That's not quite the same as breaking up a stable but somewhat rocked marriage.

:shock: It has been well established in the show that House and Wilson spend a lot of time together, and have been for many years. It's as canon as you get. We havn't seen July, are you saying she doesn't exist? Of course not, because she was mentioned by Wilson and House. My marriges were so crappy because I was spending all my time with you, House and Wilson intimate level and all the quotes from above goes to show that the times we have seen them spending time together are just a sample of many other times. Canon really isn't vague on this issue. ETA: So, when Stacy married Mark during that breakup, Mark was simply an upstart, usurping House's rightful place with Stacy and House had the right to act on his prior claim on her affections. That's exactly how House views Wilson, and his marriages, IMO.

*All* his time? Yes, I'd say there's doubt whether he spent all his time with House so there's doubt that his marriage suffered because of it. "My marriages were so crappy, I was spending all my time with you." Once again, I don't blame House for Wilson's marriages failing but I don't think that he cared much about them. Bonnie said that he always needed him and he was always there for him. "You knew he had a wife waiting at home but you didn't care." Though, of course, I don't think it's fair to blame House for any of this, and I'd bet most H/W shippers feel the same way (though I could be wrong): Wilson made his choices, after all. I agree, it was ultimately Wilson's decision to spend all his time with House.

I was curious. Here's a transcript of more of the conversation Jouse quotes, from "Fools For Love:" Wilson: She’s much too cautious for me. Point taken, I’ll start dating her so I can break up with her and start dating a stripper. You’re a miserable jerk who can’t stand to be alone. House: I didn’t try to break up your marriages; you did that yourself. Wilson: My marriages were so crappy I was spending all my time with you. Your real fear is me having a good relationship. House: Yes, that keeps me up at night. That and the Loch Ness monster, global warming, evolution, and other fictional concepts. Although a big, romantic weekend in the Poconos could change everything. So Wilson appears to be saying it's the crappy marriages that sent him to House -- not that House made the marriages crappy.

I don't blame House for being indifferent about Wilson's marriages.If anything, I blame Wilson for getting married at all, over and over again, and House for not preventing it, if he didn't try - we don't know. Though I guess if House would have tried, he would rub Wilson's nose in it in FFL. Edit: you're right, Namaste, that quote always confused me. I wonder if Wilson blames House at all for the deterioration of his marriages.

If anything, I blame Wilson for getting married at all, over and over again, and House for not preventing it, if he didn't try Why should Wilson avoid marriage to a woman one must assume he genuine loves and why should House attempt to prevent Wilson from marriage? That would, IMHO, be a spectacularly bad way of showing friendship.

Why should Wilson avoid marriage to a woman one must assume he genuine loves and why should House attempt to prevent Wilson from marriage? That would, IMHO, be a spectacularly bad way of showing friendship. Notice we're in the shipper thread. To answer your question - Don't assume anything. Don't fall into that trap ;) Wilson is a closeted homosexual who kept getting married, thinking it would put his life in order, instead of acknowledging his sexuality and his feelings for his best friend.

Notice we're in the shipper thread. To answer your question - Don't assume anything. Don't fall into that trap Wink Wilson is a closeted homosexual who kept getting married, thinking it would put his life in order, instead of acknowledging his sexuality and his feelings for his best friend. But even if you insisted on the "closeted homosexual" what right does House have to interfere with Wilson's marriage plans? How does he know, absolutely -- in terms of canon now and making that assumption that Wilson is indeed a "closeted" homosexual -- that Wilson is gay, if his best friend supposedly has told him that he's in love and is getting married? Why wouldn't he wish his best friend happiness? And if he's not hoping his friend can find happiness, then he's an even worse friend than anyone ever suspected.

Notice we're in the shipper thread. I was not aware that it was shippers only. I thought thread was supposed to be open to all views. My bad. Don't assume anything. Don't fall into that trap :wink: Cute, but not really relevant – I don't think I'm falling into any traps. Wilson is a closeted homosexual who kept getting married, thinking it would put his life in order, instead of acknowledging his sexuality and his feelings for his best friend. Are you arguing that it is canon? Or site canon? I don't agree and I'll stick to my own interpretation: I doubt Wilson would marry without being in love. We can debate if he truly was in love, but he's a grown man. I trust that he knows the difference between lust, love and friendship. At some point the marriages failed. House would have proved himself a bad friend if he interfered with Wilson's marriages.

Namaste - Wilson's marriages didn't make him happy. I just wonder if House wasn't able to see signs for that earlier on. Now he clearly knows that, hence his combat demeanor everytime he thinks Wilson met wife #4. The shipper threads are a place to discuss relationships. Some people see House and Wilson's relationship as love/romance while others see a deep friendship. Both views are valid bases for discussion. Why would we have the H/W friendship thread, then? Anyhow, their friendship is a part of their romance, I was merely pointing out that it's the shipper thread as a prelude to my answer, I absolutely didn't mean to expel anyone. I was not aware that it was shippers only. I thought thread were supposed to be open to all views. My bad. NoNoNo, I'm sorry, bad phrasing - as I wrote to Poeia, it was meant as a preface for my slashy answer. Are you arguing that it is canon? Or site canon? If not, then I'll stick to my interpretation: I doubt Wilson would marry without being in love. We can debate if he truly was in love, but he's a grown man. I trust that he knows the difference between lust, love and friendship. At some point the marriages failed. House would have proved himself a bad friend if he interfered with Wilson's marriages. Not canon yet, just my opinion (I was sure I jammed a "IMO" there somewhere, sorry again), and quite a popular one in this thread. Beyond that, I'm afraid we've hit somewhat of a balk, because I disagree that Wilson was able to know the difference between friendship and love.

Why should Wilson avoid marriage to a woman one must assume he genuine loves and why should House attempt to prevent Wilson from marriage? I don't really think that House consciously sabotaged Wilson's marriages. We did not see much of his marriages and we don't know exactly what went on BUT given the way House acted about Wendy and Cuddy (I do concede that that situation was different) I would not be surprised if House tried to nip the relationships in the bud before they progressed too far. Once, they were married I think House would've backed off but I think that House considers Wilson his (not necessarily in a slashy way) and when House wants him, he has a right to him, everyone else should come second.