You're right about DIYD, but I don't have S1 on me right now. A friend who goes to college in Boston does, damn her! < : ) One problem with using the cane-grabbing scene is that, like an edited-out chapter of a Harry Potter book, it's not actually canon. You can debate this all you want but TPTB did not include it in the aired version, so while it's beautiful and enlightening, it really can't be used in an argument for H/W.

One problem with using the cane-grabbing scene is that, like an edited-out chapter of a Harry Potter book, it's not actually canon. You can debate this all you want but TPTB did not include it in the aired version, so while it's beautiful and enlightening, it really can't be used in an argument for H/W. Well, it worked for me.

It was going to be canon. I mean, they shot it!

One problem with using the cane-grabbing scene is that, like an edited-out chapter of a Harry Potter book, it's not actually canon. You can debate this all you want but TPTB did not include it in the aired version, so while it's beautiful and enlightening, it really can't be used in an argument for H/W. Clearly, it was cut out of canon because it would have completely skewed the polarity of the entire series. The H/W subtext would have been blinding, instead of subtly alluring. :wink:

I was converted to H/W because it made sense! Not because of some deleted scene! Ditto. It just clicked for me, it seemed (it still seems) like a natural progression in their relationship. That deleted scene is totally hot though. They clearly cut it out because they wouldn't want everyone's TV set melting during the pilot. :wink:

Good point! The scene can convince people, but it shouldn't really be called canon.

But was not this scene maintained in a DVD distributed to promote the show? I remember to read something about that. Maybe that doesn't turn the scene in canon but it was not completely cut and during the exhibited pilot there is a subtle reference when House asks Cuddy if she would also catch his cane to prevent that he fled and she answers that that would be juvenile. I really, really would love to know why they cut that scene...

The cane grabbing scene is totally canon for me. TPTB wrote it and shot it, RSL and HL played it, I don't need anything else. For me, it "happened". They just (stupidly) decided not to include it in the episode. But it did "happen".

For me it also happened. It is as several other scenes that we know that happened, but they were not shown, as the breakfast in Insensitive. And Jouse, Happy New Year for you! :wizard:

The cane grabbing scene was in the premier DVD version distributed in Entertainment Weekly before the show actually hit the air. The scene was edited out. (For time?) HOWEVER, Anne shouted, Cuddy later refered to it in the aired version so I consider it canon although it's kind of a WTF? when Cuddy comments on it. Because it didn't really happen. I'm so confused now. Bottom line: It was filmed. It was cut. But, then was refered to by a primary character in what ~was~ aired. Monkeys and absinthe don't make a very good combination. ETA: The clip is on youtube. Just search for "House Wilson Cane"

The term "canon" is not a matter of opinion, people. The "canon" of any medium-- text, film, television show-- is what is included in every published, released, and aired version, not what is cut. That's really just a technicality, sure, but that's what "canon" is.

Perhaps you are taking the discussion a wee bit too seriously there, Siriusly. Might be a good idea to take a deep breath and think before getting bent out of shape about something as small as this. If something was mentioned but never seen it is canon compatible. We never saw House and Cuddy at Michigan, but it's canon that they knew each other there. We've never seen Julie but we know she existed. The cane grabbing scene is supported by canon if it is referenced. Everybody's happy.

I'm not bent out of shape, but I am in college and I guess my television writing professor is wrong, then. I'm just surprised. It really is not that big a deal. Believe me. House's reference to cane-grabbing isn't as explicit as "We were at Michigan together". He asks Cuddy if she's going to grab his cane to stop him from leaving, which makes enough sense on its own. And there's no mention of Wilson.

I agree with Siriusly - the only way I would know that the cane-grabbing remark was anything other than that would be to either see it in the final-cut of the episode that aired or have it mentioned here. Even then, TPTB aren't religious about canon, or in some cases, characterization. The scene worked on its own without the need for the reference elsewhere. It's all definitions - and my own definition of "canon" is what aired in the final cut for the original premiere episode. Now, to get a great big House and Wilson SNOG! ETA - "Big" and "Bit" are definitely two different things!!!