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Anonyme- 11-21-2010

What did attract Wilson to House is less obvious (except for his attraction to self important jerks, as he himself said ). I think House's exposition on that during House vs. God (Wilson being an emotional vampire) is a fairly good one. On very different levels, House, cancer girl and Tucker are just Wilson's taste of neediness. But was House needy, at that time? No infarction, and as it was said, daring, witty, bending the rules. I would really, really want to read Doris Egan's point of view on this (I hope she will give it after the show is over, not to biase people).

Gatuna- 11-21-2010

But was House needy, at that time? No infarction, and as it was said, daring, witty, bending the rules. I would really, really want to read Doris Egan's point of view on this (I hope she will give it after the show is over, not to biase people). I would love to hear her thoughts, too, and I hope some day we get to. I'm not a psychologist, but I do know that neediness is a part of personality. So my guess is that yes, House was needy long before, and the infarction only 'aggravated' that neediness.

deelaundry- 11-29-2010

What attracted Wilson to House? House is blindingly brilliant, clever, funny, and vibrant. Put "kind to a stranger" on top of that, and why wouldn't Wilson be attracted? I doubt that neediness entered into the picture until later.

MissViolet- 11-29-2010

What attracted Wilson to House? House is blindingly brilliant, clever, funny, and vibrant. Put "kind to a stranger" on top of that, and why wouldn't Wilson be attracted? I doubt that neediness entered into the picture until later. Don't forget "rakishly handsome" - this is a shipper thread, after all! Tee-hee. I've always thought the story of how they first met seems more like "love at first sight" than "new best friend" but maybe there's not much difference between the two except the obvious (sexual attraction).

Gatuna- 11-29-2010

I've always thought the story of how they first met seems more like "love at first sight" than "new best friend" but maybe there's not much difference between the two except the obvious (sexual attraction). I agree with this. I also think the initial attraction played a huge part. I like to think of House & Wilson as two opposite poles attracting each other. I would love to hear each character explain why they always searched each other's company so much when they first met.

blacktop- 11-30-2010

I doubt that we will ever learn anything more precise about why House and Wilson chose each other at that New Orleans conference. But I always think that this self-description Holmes offers Watson in "A Study in Scarlet" is particularly apt for House: "My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the most abstruse cryptogram, or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation." So the Doris Egan explanation that House would always be on the look-out for someone to relieve his boredom and occupy his mind with puzzles and challenges makes perfect sense to me. He found such a person in Wilson. As to why Wilson took up with House, I think the Great Detective has a phrase for that too: I know my dear Watson, that you share my love for all that is bizarre and outside the conventions and humdrum routine of everyday life."

Cuddyclothes- 12-07-2010

What an excellent response, blacktop. Plus, as I wrote earlier, Wilson was smokin' when he was a youngster. And I still wouldn't kick him out of bed. House was pretty hot too, if you go by "Three Histories" pre-infarction. Yes, I am that shallow. But this is the shipping forum.

MissViolet- 01-07-2011

Love the Holmes reference, thanks blacktop. That puts it into perspective beautifully. I guess I'm the only one who doesn't mind pudgy Wilson. Of course he was sexier when younger - I think that's true for many of us - but there's something rather cozy about him, even with a few extra pounds. Especially in a sweater vest. I would like to curl up next to Wilson (the fictional character, I mean). But I might also ask him to play racquetball with me and we could both trim down a bit while having fun. Of course all this Wilson interaction is in my imagination, where he exists, we know each other, and I am good at racquetball instead of my actual duck-and-cover approach. Imagination knows no boundaries!

Gatuna- 02-19-2011

From the s7 You Must Remember This thread: (also why encourage, or rater urge, Wilson to see other women if House wants him for himself...? but that's another topic). Yes, House encourages Wilson to start dating other women, but there's a contradiction in House's actions in this episode. If House was really that eager for Wilson to start dating women, as I said before he would have been relieved when he suspected that Wilson was dating Sarah --when he thought it was a woman--. The obvious thing to do was be happy for Wilson and because Wilson was not going to spend the evening with him whining about Sam, and wait until the date had happened to learn how it went on and ask Wilson who Sarah was and where did he meet her. But instead, House got all possessive once again and went around Wilson to find out who that Sarah could be. He knew that Wilson was up to something by the shoes he was wearing in the first season. (It most closely echoes the lengths that House went to in "Frozen" to find out who Wilson was dating -- not because House is possessive, but because he simply had to know. He then had a problem because it was Amber -- just as he had a problem because Wilson was dating Sam, but he's certainly encouraged Wilson to strike out when there wasn't a history or other issues, like marriage, involved.) Had to know what? If Wilson was dating? No, because he already knew that, he had already come to that conclusion. Who was he dating? Ok I'll bite, even if I don't think it was that. Then how do you explain Don't Ever Change? You know, when House spent the episode (and the other episodes) bullying Amber (when he had already satisfied his curiosity, or, when he bullied Sam too? You say he had a problem because it was Amber... why exactly? What made him think that Amber would hurt Wilson that bad? That is hardly simple curiosity or control issues.

MissViolet- 02-25-2011

I think House wants Wilson to date women, but I wasn't part of the whole discussion on that other thread so I don't know the background for this. I see them both as bisexual so I don't think them dating women excludes the possibility of them being in love with each other. Right now House is preoccupied with his relationship with Cuddy and I agree with her assessment: he does want Wilson to have someone so he's not left alone.

Gatuna- 02-26-2011

I think House wants Wilson to date women, but I wasn't part of the whole discussion on that other thread so I don't know the background for this. My original point was the contradiction between House "wanting Wilson to date" and his uneasiness at the first indication that Wilson was actually dating a woman (when House thought that "Sarah" was a woman, that is). I see them both as bisexual so I don't think them dating women excludes the possibility of them being in love with each other. Right now House is preoccupied with his relationship with Cuddy and I agree with her assessment: he does want Wilson to have someone so he's not left alone. I don't think it excludes the bisexual opportunity either, but my problem was how out-of-character it is that House would think such a thing (that Wilson is going to end up a spinster and all alone when Wilson has proved throughout the seasons that this isn't likely for him -and all that because Wilson's got a cat?!, I think that's an insult to House's supposedly high IQ-). It was such a simplistic thing of House to be concerned about his best friend. Especially when his uneasiness apparently didn't disappear with Wilson's acceptance of the 10-day challenge, I'd like to think there's more to all that issue from both of them, even though I'm afraid that I'll be disappointed.

Poeia- 02-26-2011

I see them both as bisexual so I don't think them dating women excludes the possibility of them being in love with each other. Right now House is preoccupied with his relationship with Cuddy and I agree with her assessment: he does want Wilson to have someone so he's not left alone. I don't think it excludes the bisexual opportunity either, but my problem was how out-of-character it is that House would think such a thing (that Wilson is going to end up a spinster and all alone when Wilson has proved throughout the seasons that this isn't likely for him -and all that because Wilson's got a cat?!, I think that's an insult to House's supposedly high IQ-). It was such a simplistic thing of House to be concerned about his best friend. Especially when his uneasiness apparently didn't disappear with Wilson's acceptance of the 10-day challenge, I'd like to think there's more to all that issue from both of them, even though I'm afraid that I'll be disappointed. House was basing this judgment on experience. He said that when Wilson and Bonnie broke up, Wilson adopted a 3-legged Siamese cat and basically withdrew from the world/dropped any pretense that he had a social life (the Grey Gardens reference.) I don't see how observing Wilson's past behavior and applying the lessons learned to the present is insultingly simplistic. While House does frequently generalize and stereotype people, I think he does it less with Wilson than with anyone else.

MissViolet- 02-27-2011

I don't think it excludes the bisexual opportunity either, but my problem was how out-of-character it is that House would think such a thing (that Wilson is going to end up a spinster and all alone when Wilson has proved throughout the seasons that this isn't likely for him -and all that because Wilson's got a cat?!, I think that's an insult to House's supposedly high IQ-). As Poeia described, it was based on Wilson's past experience with a cat - as well as House's unreasonable belief that men with cats do not get dates. With the exception of Steve McQueen, House doesn't seem to be much of an animal person, I'm sorry to say (because I love animals). As far as his uneasiness when he believed Sarah was a woman, I thought that was due to his uneasiness as being lied to by his best friend and his girlfriend - I don't think he minds the lie so much as not being able to detect the lie! He knows that both have lied to him, but when he can't tell if they're lying, it grates on him. It does seem that House is always going to intrude on Wilson's relationships with women in some way or another. But encouraging him to hook up at that trashy bar was a gesture of kindness on House's part. He was trying to help Wilson get his mojo back. That Wilson didn't sleep with the willing barista is supposed to mean that he's lost his mojo, I guess - thus the scene at the end with Wilson alone with his cat. However I though it was to Wilson's credit that he didn't hook up with a near-stranger who might have been drunk as well. I think House does want him to date women or at least sleep with them, but he thinks that Wilson's approach to relationships (and hook-ups) is less.... manly, perhaps? than his own.

Gatuna- 02-28-2011

House was basing this judgment on experience. He said that when Wilson and Bonnie broke up, Wilson adopted a 3-legged Siamese cat and basically withdrew from the world/dropped any pretense that he had a social life (the Grey Gardens reference.) I don't see how observing Wilson's past behavior and applying the lessons learned to the present is insultingly simplistic. While House does frequently generalize and stereotype people, I think he does it less with Wilson than with anyone else. I failed to clear this up in my previous post: I find it insultingly simplistic (and idiotic) if House's concern is really about Wilson becoming a spinster because of a diabetic cat. If this were the case... It's funny how House chooses Wilson's "past behavior" that hadn't come up at all in the past over observing the one that actually has happened in this show before, like Wilson's very good social skills to get a date with the women he's interested in. The fact that the writer pulled a 3-legged siamese cat out of... nothing really (to state it mildly), to serve the purpose of the plot of this particular episode, does not erase what's been one of the main aspects of Wilson's life through all the seasons of this show, and that is the fact that Wilson has never been prone to not being able to get laid. So yes, I still think it's insultingly simplistic that House is worried about Wilson ending up a spinster when House supposedly knows Wilson so well. To me it was about the writers not really knowing what else to do with Wilson this season. He was trying to help Wilson get his mojo back. That Wilson didn't sleep with the willing barista is supposed to mean that he's lost his mojo, I guess - thus the scene at the end with Wilson alone with his cat. But why did House think that Wilson lost his mojo? If it's because of Wilson getting the cat, does that mean that House is superstitious now? This would be simplistic as well, imo. House is supposed to be a man of science. Besides, I don't think that Wilson not sleeping with the barista means that he's lost his mojo because he still was able to hook up with her. If anything, it could mean that his break-up with Sam is still too fresh in his mind and he's just not in the mood to start dating yet, even if I wish there's more to his unwillingness to date again, which btw is a much more logical explanation than "omg! Wilson's got a cat, so that's why he's not dating anymore nor he will ever again!". And, to top things up, it all started because of a simple "I'm busy". However I though it was to Wilson's credit that he didn't hook up with a near-stranger who might have been drunk as well. Wilson was not drunk, and in my opinion neither was the girl.

Bea- 02-28-2011

But they never said it was about Wilson's ability to find someone, it was about his attitude towards dating and his expectations about finding someone for a romantic relationship. And they actually have shown us that Wilson in a way withdraws into himself whenever he loses a partner, be it through divorce or death: After his third divorce he was depicted living alone in a hotel room, hooking up with a terminal cancer patient (which, let's face it, didn't have real potential to become a longterm thing) and being depressed throughout season 2(?)-3 and maybe even beyond that, with Amber being the first healthy and worthwhile relationship (at all) in a long while, as far as we were shown. After losing Amber it took Wilson until 'The Greater Good' to wash up an old dirty cup of hers and get "unstuck" and 'The Social Contract' was the first episode where we learned that he had started seeing someone again, which was way into season 5. So I wouldn't say that Wilson's tendency to cut himself off is made up out of thin air or that it contradicts his "panty peeler skills". The difference I see is House's response to it, so I think the whole storyline was meant to make a statement about House's state of mind now that he's not lonely anymore, how being in a relationship affects his feelings and actions. Back then House didn't like Wilson dating, but now he's bothered by Wilson being alone, urging him to go out and end the "pity party". Exaggerating the significance of Wilson getting a cat and his dramatically overstated concern that Wilson will end up a spinster served as a pretext for House to "harass" Wilson into going out (not only for Wilson I guess, but probably also to invent a reason to justify his obsession in front of himself), while at the same time concealing his own emotions and discomfort with the new situation, which I believe were the actual motive behind his actions. The fact that House's concern was premature and so out of proportion wasn't idiotic or simplistic, quite the contrary, it was meant to indicate that there's something more to House's behaviour.