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deelaundry- 06-27-2008

Who's writing up House/Wilson for eOnline? I'm more of a fic gal than an essayist, but we can't let this opportunity pass us by!

radiosweetheart- 06-27-2008

Dee-you are so good with the words, tho. I'd try it but my writing skills have fallen to the wayside of late. My grocery lists are even lacking in that usual something something I try to include so as to make grocery shopping less chore-like. Depending on how my day goes I might stab at it-but I'd recommend any of our great writer-ly types to jump at this chance and show why House/Wilson is the best ship to sail.

fffaw- 06-27-2008

A couple of our boardmates have shared their submitted essays in the Huddy thread. Come on, H/W peeps, someone needs to step up to the plate! I suck at this sort of thing or I'd do it myself. I'd love to see multiple submissions from our community for all the ships. I think the hardest thing would be making the case in 500 words or less. If someone does write something, please feel free to share it here.

LurkerAtLarge- 06-27-2008

This was posted in another thread and I wanted to respond to it here... What I found so interesting is that in the end it was House who loved Wilson more than Wilson loved him. Wilson was willing to sacrifice House for Amber and House was willing to sacrifice himself for Wilson. WOW...this is definitely one of those YMMV issues. Definitely a matter of opion and perspective...but I can't state enough how strongly I DISAGREE with that above comment. I don't see how House agreeing to or Wilson asking constitutes House loving or caring about Wilson more than Wilson does him, since we saw time and time again Wilson in some form or other 'sacrificing or willing to sacrifice' himself for House, without being asked to and with House seeming to expect that of Wilson. I saw it more like Wilson willing to do anything to not lose someone he'd come to love. Someone who he had broken his pattern of 'need to be needed' with and House perhaps thinking after everything he 'owed' this to Wilson and/or felt some guilt in his part in what happened to Amber. And since we've never seen Wilson put into any situation where House or someone 'close' to House is dying and only Wilson could help by putting himself in grave danger, we don't know if Wilson would offer to himself or readily agree if House asked. But I'd like to think we haven't seen anything that would suggest Wilson wouldn't once again put himself on the line for House since he believes, in the greater scheme of things, House is more important than he is. I think the House/Wilson relationship is what it is with all it's twists and turns and doesn't fit under any label and I don't think we'll ever really know who loves who the most (or that it should matter) or what they really need from each other or what each one 'gets' from their screwed-up friendship. In the end, everything balances out.....or not. I'm sure both don't always get what they want...but sometimes they get what they need. Sorry to detour from any current discussions, but I've seen a few posts like this and just HAD to finally say something in rebuttal.

LightMyCandle- 06-27-2008

Thank you for speaking up. It's nice to have another person who sees it like I do. I don't see how after everything we've seen Wilson readily give up for (a pretty ungrateful) House, people now think that Wilson doesn't love House or asked too much of House. And I certainly don't get the sudden assumption that Wilson would never risk his life for House. The subject has never come up, but he's risked everything else for him, and he's outright said that House is more important in the grand scheme of things than he is. I've got no doubt that Wilson would risk his life to save House. I'm very tired of this argument. Wilson just can't win, it seems. Last year, people wanted him to grow a spine and stop being such a doormat (as did I) and now that he has, he's a bad friend who doesn't deserve someone as wonderful as House in his life. :roll: (and these are just various arguments that I've read all over the place since the finale.) House didn't even ask Wilson to sacrifice anything for him, he just assumed that he would.

houserocket7- 06-27-2008

Thank you for speaking up. It's nice to have another person who sees it like I do. I don't see how after everything we've seen Wilson readily give up for (a pretty ungrateful) House, people now think that Wilson doesn't love House or asked too much of House. And I certainly don't get the sudden assumption that Wilson would never risk his life for House. The subject has never come up, but he's risked everything else for him, and he's outright said that House is more important in the grand scheme of things than he is. I've got no doubt that Wilson would risk his life to save House. I'm very tired of this argument. Wilson just can't win, it seems. Last year, people wanted him to grow a spine and stop being such a doormat (as did I) and now that he has, he's a bad friend who doesn't deserve someone as wonderful as House in his life. :roll: (and these are just various arguments that I've read all over the place since the finale.) House didn't even ask Wilson to sacrifice anything for him, he just assumed that he would. House only does the DBS because Wilson asks and he is stunned that Wilson asked. Thus, the gasp/snort/laugh like he just got punched in the stomach which took my breath away, too. In re-watching this episode, the following scene is almost as powerful, but much more subtle when House is being prepped for the procedure and his head has been secured, the look he gives to Wilson is almost a silent plea to reconsider and when it is unanswered, House is resigned to dying, if he has to, for Wilson. House never asked Wilson to die and that was a very real possibility House took for Wilson.

Namaste- 06-27-2008

Yeah, I don't see it quite so dramatically as houserocket either -- and I certainly never got the impression of any Garden of Gethsemene "take this cup from me" images just prior to the DBS, so that's definitely a YMMV and an interpretation of that scene. Would House have done it if Wilson hadn't asked? No. Not at that point. (He may have if she failed to respond to treatment, however.) Did he do it only because Wilson asked? At that time, sure ... but I think he did have curiosity gnawing at him at the same time that made it easier to acquiesce to Wilson's request. Does it prove that House loves Wilson more than Wilson loves House? I think their relationship is far too complicated -- and the situation far too complex -- to boil down to any simple yes or no. Wilson has risked his career and jail time for House. Has he ever risked his life? No, but that's probably never come up so we can't say that he'd never do it or that House was the more perfect, noble friend because he did.

LightMyCandle- 06-27-2008

House is being prepped for the procedure and his head has been secured, the look he gives to Wilson is almost a silent plea to reconsider and when it is unanswered That's a matter of opinion. Wilson, IMO, gave a look of acknowlegment and I didn't read House's face as a plea for Wilson to reconsider either. And anyway, I never said that House didn't do the DBS for Wilson, of course he did, that still doesn't make Wilson a bad guy to me and it still doesn't erase all that Wilson has done for House in the past. House never asked Wilson to die and that was a very real possibility House took for Wilson. Exactly, he's never asked. The situation had never come up so you don't know if Wilson would have taken that chance for House, but based on his willingness to go to prison for the man, I'm going to say that yes, Wilson would risk his life for House.

houserocket7- 06-27-2008

And anyway, I never said that House didn't do the DBS for Wilson, of course he did, that still doesn't make Wilson a bad guy to me and it still doesn't erase all that Wilson has done for House in the past. I wasn't saying Wilson was the bad guy, just that House did an incredibly unselfish thing, knowing that there was a real chance that he might die. Quote: House never asked Wilson to die and that was a very real possibility House took for Wilson. Exactly, he's never asked. The situation had never come up so you don't know if Wilson would have taken that chance for House, but based on his willingness to go to prison for the man, I'm going to say that yes, Wilson would risk his life for House. I agree 100% with you! I have no doubt that Wilson would risk his life for House. I have a huge doubt that House would ask so Wilson would have to find out some other way. Thank God everybody gossips around that place!

Taiga- 06-27-2008

I'm with you, LurkerAtLarge, and everyone else has stated the case more eloquently than I could. There seems to be two beliefs behind the assumption that Wilson told House to die for Amber. 1) They're assuming that the risk to House and Amber's lives was equal at that point, but it wasn't anywhere close to being equal. There was a RISK of death in the DBS; given that House himself came up with the idea first and Chase and Cuddy went along with it in the end, the chance of survival couldn't have been less than the chance of permanent injury or death. But Amber's chance of death was 100% unless they figured out what was wrong with her. 2) They claim that the procedure wasn't necessary because they had a diagnosis. No, they had a guess. They were going with auto-immune because they'd eliminated everything else, not because they had a real reason for thinking that was it. They'd had other diagnoses before that and they were wrong too, and hey - it's hard to argue that Wilson was wrong in saying that the answer was locked in House's head because it was. I would also point out everything House did to himself in 'House's Head'. He was willing to risk his life to cure the mystery patient even before he knew it was his best friend's girl. Viewers may see Wilson's actions as unjustifiable, but IMHO it's not what the writers intended us to think. Wilson has risked his career and jail time for House. Has he ever risked his life? No, but that's probably never come up so we can't say that he'd never do it or that House was the more perfect, noble friend because he did. I would say that risking his career and jail time is a bigger sacrifice than risking his life, that is, harder sacrifices to make. I wasn't saying Wilson was the bad guy, just that House did an incredibly unselfish thing, knowing that there was a real chance that he might die. No argument here, and I hope that's acknowledged in some way next season.

idonmatrix- 06-27-2008

This was posted in another thread and I wanted to respond to it here... What I found so interesting is that in the end it was House who loved Wilson more than Wilson loved him. Wilson was willing to sacrifice House for Amber and House was willing to sacrifice himself for Wilson. WOW...this is definitely one of those YMMV issues. Definitely a matter of opion and perspective...but I can't state enough how strongly I DISAGREE with that above comment. I don't see how House agreeing to or Wilson asking constitutes House loving or caring about Wilson more than Wilson does him, since we saw time and time again Wilson in some form or other 'sacrificing or willing to sacrifice' himself for House, without being asked to and with House seeming to expect that of Wilson. I saw it more like Wilson willing to do anything to not lose someone he'd come to love. Someone who he had broken his pattern of 'need to be needed' with and House perhaps thinking after everything he 'owed' this to Wilson and/or felt some guilt in his part in what happened to Amber. And since we've never seen Wilson put into any situation where House or someone 'close' to House is dying and only Wilson could help by putting himself in grave danger, we don't know if Wilson would offer to himself or readily agree if House asked. But I'd like to think we haven't seen anything that would suggest Wilson wouldn't once again put himself on the line for House since he believes, in the greater scheme of things, House is more important than he is. I think the House/Wilson relationship is what it is with all it's twists and turns and doesn't fit under any label and I don't think we'll ever really know who loves who the most (or that it should matter) or what they really need from each other or what each one 'gets' from their screwed-up friendship. In the end, everything balances out.....or not. I'm sure both don't always get what they want...but sometimes they get what they need. Sorry to detour from any current discussions, but I've seen a few posts like this and just HAD to finally say something in rebuttal. Your objection is noted :) Nothing like the diversity of ideas to make the world go round. I'm a die hard H/W shipper BUT I think S4 Wilson's love of House has been informed by some of the really crazy stunts House has pulled, i.e. the knife in the socket near death experience. Over time I think Wilson has emotionally shut down when it comes to his feelings for House. At other times, Wilson lets some of his resentment seep through "nowhere. I just know it hurts you" or "and yet I'm happy and you?" What I got from Wilson's Heart is that Wilson was in love with Amber (willing to sacrifice House's life so he could keep living the dream and House is in love with Wilson, willing to sacrifice his life even though he realized that at that moment Amber's life was more important to Wilson than his own. DS referred to this as a triangle of affection - RIGHT. I don't think Wilson has made the connection YET between House's near death sacrifice and House's genuine love for him. If you recall in WAM, Wilson said to House "despite all your smartass remarks I always thought you gave a damn." It's possible that Wilson may love House just as much but that's not what I've seen. Look at what happened at the bar in NMMNG. Again, House playing games with Wilson's heart. The only flicker I saw that Wilson loves and wants to be with House just as much as he wanted to be with Amber was the scene where House ask Wilson on a bowling date. We got see Wilson guilting and then giving in. I imagine this is probably what happened a lot with the ex-wives. This time, the difference is Amber is House's female proxy. DS said that H'sH and W'sH would raise a lot of questions. So what would have happened if Amber had survived her injuries? I would imagine she would have limped a little and her kidneys destroyed tied to a dialysis mahine until she got a new kidney. And what about her vitaman drugs that Wilson apparently knew nothing about? I think we're going to learn more about Amber in S5. But I digress. As I've said in other forums this is really a love story about House and Wilson. For them to find their way back to each other House is gonna have to stop the games. Recall in Games Wilson said to House "you like games. you don't care if they're good or real". When Wilson turned off the HL machine keeping Amber alive, his heart shut down at the same time. Ih House wants to restart Wilson's heart, he's going to have to come at him real. I have great faith in House :)

LightMyCandle- 06-27-2008

"and yet I'm happy and you?" How was that line showing resent? I would say that risking his career and jail time is a bigger sacrifice than risking his life, that is, harder sacrifices to make. I agree with you here. just that House did an incredibly unselfish thing, knowing that there was a real chance that he might die. I agree, what House did was amazing and I definately hope Wilson realizes that eventually. . I have a huge doubt that House would ask so Wilson would have to find out some other way. Well, House never asked for any of the other things Wilson's done for House, he just assumed that Wilson would sacrifice whatever it took to protect him.

idonmatrix- 06-27-2008

How was that line showing resent? House was sort of taunting Wilson and Wilson's comeback "and yet I'm happy. And you?" The resentment was an undercurrent of the scene. Adult relationships are complex which means sometimes there's resentment like Amber's calling a Wilson "wuss" for not setting limits for House. She still loved Wilson but she resented his weakness regading House.

LightMyCandle- 06-27-2008

House was sort of taunting Wilson and Wilson's comeback "and yet I'm happy. And you?" The resentment was an undercurrent of the scene. Sorry, I didn't get any underlying resentment in that scene.

travin1- 06-27-2008

So, did y'all see this in Watch With Kristin? Shene in Chantilly, Va.: Will House ever have a romantic scene? Because it seems like if he got a little real love, things could turn good for him. I would argue that he's had plenty of romantic scenes, and I don't think I'm the only one who would argue that, so I am opening up the floor for House-related romantic arguing. In the tradition of our Smallville and Lost love debates, if you're a fan of House with either Cuddy, Cameron, Thirteen or Wilson, send in your 500-words-or-less essays in favor of the couple of your choice to tvdiva@eonline.com by July 7. (I know House will always love Wilson no matter what lady he hooks up with, but pretend it's like Highlander and there can be only one.) We'll post the best arguments from each side in an upcoming item! I'm sure there are quite a few people here who could make strong cases for their ship! I'm cross posting this to the ship threads. Okay, I ship Huddy, but I have to admit, it I were to write an essay for this...I'd be VERY tempted to write about H/W. I don't get the love love for them, but there is definitely love there. No way about it, House's act of sacrificing himself can be called nothing short of love.