I Love You: House/Wilson

I'm not sure you can say that for sure. We don't know exactly when Wilson started taking the anti-depressants. But, we do know that antidepressents can cause yawning. Which episode was it that he kept yawning in? I've always assumed that it was the point in the timeline where he started taking them. House asked Wilson about the yawning in Resignation, the same episode in which we learn that Wilson had been dosing House for a "couple weeks." So Wilson has to have been on them a while at that point. Wilson started dosing House after Wilson saw a psych and got them prescribed for himself. We don't know how long the yawning had been going on. The show doesn't show us everything. It could be that House just got around to asking about it in Resignation. Or, Wilson's psych had just upped the dose at that point—which caused the yawning—while the initial dose he'd been on for weeks didn't cause yawning.

I'm not sure you can say that for sure. We don't know exactly when Wilson started taking the anti-depressants...One could argue that Wilson calling Robin was the first sign that he was starting to feel better... that he'd been taking the anti-depressants at that point for a couple weeks, and they were working. He was willing to not only call a woman, but call a woman who was very different from the women he'd dated in the past. Of course, we don't know exactly why Wilson called her... was it a business transaction or a personal transaction? Either way, a new and different experience for him. True I don't know that Wilson wasn't already on his meds, but to me the uncomfortable look on his face and sound of trepidation in his voice is not that of someone feeling better and getting back in to things, not even of someone shy or nervous who probably doesn't even make that call, its of someone who is about to hit bottom and is desperate for another person to talk to. Its conjecture but I think at that point after having no one to call but Robin is when Wilson decides he needs help and seeks out therapy. A month is plenty of time for him to get put on meds, probably on his first or second session, and then for him to start his own experimenting on House a couple of weeks later. We also can't be sure that only one month passed in the show just that it was 4 weeks between episodes more time could have elapsed. Again for me its not that Robin is different to his past wives, except for her proffession, but that she is so like him that strikes a chord. And yeah we don't know why he really called or what wound up happening business or personal, I lean heavy to personal. As for a different experience, I think we've established Wilson isn't really into having different experiences, he has a pattern and he goes with it.

The yawning thing is something House picks up on immediately like every other obvious clue. Especially where Wilson is concerned he doesn't wait or ask around he starts right in. House says, "Yawning's recent so either you just started or you changed prescription." Wilson's original prescription would be the one that Wilson was giving to House. Then he got a new med that caused the yawning in him. But Wilson keeps House on the original med becasue he saw a change in House for the better and no side effects. For me its still, the call to Robin, then therapy, then the meds.

Recall House's "Double entry bookkeeping?!" comment? And in Autopsy Wilson confirmed that she is "nice". I don't think they had an affair, but she was somehow, significant to him and giving her some time, she would jump him... I take Wilson at his word when he says he "always told his wives" about his affairs. Me too, even from a hoyay POV, I think it's the most logical assumption. His confessions are about the physical betrayal, not about the emotional one (which I can see being with House). Besides, House must have some data to base his comments, he notices patterns and does a diagnostic. He is not right about the frequency, but I don't think he imagined the whole scenario without a specific clue. filex wrote: For me its still, the call to Robin, then therapy, then the meds. Hum... I don't know... I agree he called Robin because he saw a kindred spirit on her, but also because she was an escort, and so, no strings attached. Depression often causes a decrease on the sex drive, so Robin can be seen as a first step in his recovery. filex wrote: Wilson's original prescription would be the one that Wilson was giving to House. Then he got a new med that caused the yawning in him. But Wilson keeps House on the original med becasue he saw a change in House for the better and no side effects. Nice theory, it's a very Wilsony thing to do, actually.

filex wrote: For me its still, the call to Robin, then therapy, then the meds. Hum... I don't know... I agree he called Robin because he saw a kindred spirit on her, but also because she was an escort, and so, no strings attached. Depression often causes a decrease on the sex drive, so Robin can be seen as a first step in his recovery. The thing is if Wilson was calling a prostitute for sex or even just to talk I would not view that as a sign of him feeling better. I would view both as a sign of him feeling worse and having no where else to turn. I don't think if Wilson was feeling good or better about himself that a prostitute is the way he would go. It strikes me as ooc. Even when he suggests it to House its not when House is feeling better but when House is acting out inappropriately because he is still reeling about Stacy having just left for good. Wilson's exasperated suggestion is the bottom of the barrel of different ways for House to distract himself from his hurting before he does some real damage. And I don't see Wilson as a no string type person when it comes to sex or very much else. That's part of his problem, he doesn't detach easily. That's also why I just do not think he had any affairs when he was married, sorry.

But he can detach from his wives. Hence the cheating on his wives. (Whether you believe he cheated with women or emotionally with House... he was detaching from his wives in the process.) I see the meds story going this way: Wilson sees a psych, and gets a prescription for himself. Wilson takes the meds for a while (weeks? couple months? no idea) with no obvious side effects, and they offer some improvement. Wilson then writes a prescription for House for the same med, gets the script filled, and starts dosing House's coffee. A couple weeks later, the psych ups Wilson's dose or changes his med altogether, causing the yawning. I'm not really invested in where Robin falls in that timeline. But even if hiring a hooker is OOC for Wilson... that is not evidence that he was not on the meds at the time. People taking AD meds sometimes behave OOC. Or rather, they start to act more like their natural self—the depression was causing them to act OOC.

Yes but the normal way to detach from a marriage that someone is so unhappy in that he runs to his best friend at every chance is to end it. Not to prolong everyone's unhappiness. At least with Julie we clearly see that Wilson hung on too long in the marriage, and even after he left her postponed calling a divorce lawyer with the idea that some how that they weren't finished. So Wilson distances but doesn't detach he still keeps the connection. According to House, and Wilson doesn't deny it, he is still friends with all of his ex-wives and still loves everyone he ever loved. One last wack for the dead horse. :wink: If I'm understanding correctly, if Wilson was on the meds and they were making him act more like his normal self, which I think we can agree is the S1 & early S2 Wilson, who sure had problems but probably wasn't depressed, then your saying it is actually IC for Wilson to use a prostitue, don't see it. I only see him doing it because he was in a bad way.

No no, I don't think it's in character for Wilson to use a prostitute. I just meant mainly... calling a woman he's attracted to. That is definitely in character. I do think he realized what her job was, but I also think he called her for a date, not a business transaction. I don't know. I can't think about this anymore. :lol:

Why does it matter whether Wilson had affairs or knowingly sought out a prostitute? To me, House and Wilson's relationship has always been built on a status as near equals. Wilson, despite his outer disguise, is just as manipulative as House -- if not more so because of that disguise and his ability to make everyone continue to like him, even his ex wives after he confesses his cheating. That's part of what keeps House guessing about him. It's part of the attraction -- the puzzle that is Wilson. To me, erasing his affairs feels like a whitewashing of his character. It's shoehorning him into some role where he doesn't belong. It's the most visible example that he's just as screwed up as House (if not as screwed up as House thinks he is). That's what makes him interesting, the fact that someone with this outer aura of perfection is the furthest thing from it.

filex wrote: The thing is if Wilson was calling a prostitute for sex or even just to talk I would not view that as a sign of him feeling better. I would view both as a sign of him feeling worse and having no where else to turn. And he didn't have no one else to turn (in the previous episode we didn't even have a scene between H/W) and at least he was felling something, he was starting to fell how unbarable was his isolation. What I mean with the "no strings attached" was that she was someone he could talk and would be there to listen to him - and the comfort sex had role too, because I do believe that Wilson is the kind of person who sees sex as the ultimate form of comfort. And at that time he was the one in the need of the comfort. A depressed person usually don't want contact with others, they remain in their shells, more and more isolated - we may never notice that about Wilson because he knows how to pretend, and if House didn't notice, we couldn't notice either. I think Robin - whether he slept with her or not - was an improvement because she was someone outside his world he showed interest to contact. I think the fact she was a prostitute was relevant because she wouldn't try to maintain a relationship with him. filey wrote: he doesn't detach easily I agreed and that's why I think the supposed affairs were sort of anonymous, just excuses to drive the wife du jour away, since he seems unable to walk away for himself.

I just meant mainly... calling a woman he's attracted to. That is definitely in character. I'm not even sure that's in character. :lol: He seems to just run across then when something terrible has just happen to them. Consider it not thought about anymore. I think we've said it all. ETA, or not... :) Why does it matter whether Wilson had affairs or knowingly sought out a prostitute? It doesn't matter but since we're discussing it my take on it is I don't see evidence that the so called affair(s) of any kind, a word Wilson never uses, neither does he say have sex or slept with and Bonnie didn't mentioned and didn't end it Julie, ever happened. The cheating he is discussing has to do with feelings not sex. If we are every shown or told in no uncertain terms that Wilson say sleeps with someone while w/Amber I'll be very interested to see what the circumstances are and his rationale for it. And I see the call to Robin, what ever the outcome, as a sign of desperation, an understandable one, not a sign of improvement. EMMV on all of the above. To me, erasing his affairs feels like a whitewashing of his character. It's shoehorning him into some role where he doesn't belong. It's the most visible example that he's just as screwed up as House (if not as screwed up as House thinks he is). That's what makes him interesting, the fact that someone with this outer aura of perfection is the furthest thing from it. To me the most visable example that he is screwed up is the undisputed fact that he has been married and divorced 3 times and each time to someone he really didn't seem to want a relationship with and yet he went ahead with those "mistakes" anyway and was unable to end them when and how he should have. Hs 3 marriages are the first thing we learn about him and over the years we have been given more info on them. We have never heard anything more on the cheating in Spin. So how important can it be? ETA, I have to revise this. I do think its important I just don't think its embelmatic. All the mention of Wilson having affairs early by House may have been important only to show House believed it was what was wrong in W/J marriage and it wasn't. When House learns that Julie had the affair he never alludes to Wilson doing it again. Again EMMV, the beauty of Wilson and House is the have more than enough pathology to go around, they are endless supplies.

It doesn't matter but since we're discussing it my take on it is I don't see evidence that the so called affair(s) of any kind, a word Wilson never uses, neither does he say have sex or slept with and Bonnie didn't mentioned and didn't end it Julie, ever happened. The cheating he is discussing has to do with feelings not sex. And yet hard core slashers have absolutely no problem believing that House and Wilson must have at least kissed in the past, and are obviously pining for each other despite the fact that neither of them has ever said that they're gay or bi (outside of House's joke to Stacy) or said that they have any physical attraction to the other. :wink:

Welll then I'm not hard core (REALLY? :shock: ) because as I said a few pages back I don't think House and Wilson have ever kissed or had any other intimate physical contact. But neither have they denied being gay or bi or having a physical attraction to each other. I don't believe anyone's actually asked, damnit. Wilson has repeatedly denied affairs. Of course that's the beauty of perspective people can be looking at the same thing and see it quite differently. I think we've had more than enough of my perspective for awhile. :wink:

Oh, poor Wilson! Is he all that screwed up? I don't think so. We've all made some youthful mistakes. It's funny because, despite his faults, I admire Wilson as a character; he's a good doctor, cares about his patients, is loyal to his friends, and still has a good relationship with all his ex-wives. He's a great conversationalist, charming, smart, accomplished, witty, and handsome. Okay, maybe I don't have an unbiased view since I have a crush on Dr. Wilson. Also, I know a few people on anti-depressants, and even several divorced people, people who have gotten married for the wrong reasons, who have not ended relationships when they should have, and yes, I have to admit, I also know people who have been unfaithful to their partners. Actually, I don't have a single friend who hasn't f---ed up their life at some point, or suffered from some sort of difficult psychological affliction - with problems ranging from homelessness to drug addiction to unemployment, messy divorces, bad relationships, reckless stock market investments, depression, generalized anxiety, unexpected pregnancy, nervous breakdown, credit card debt.... even though Wilson is entirely fictional, I don't think of him as totally screwed-up but rather as a good person who went through a difficult time and is finding happiness again. I am glad that Wilson's feeling more optimistic in recent episodes (again, I know this is bizarre since he is totally fictional) but of course, a character who's 100% happy is not quite so interesting as one with a few loose ends. Anywa, despite his past problems, I still think women would be attracted to Wilson. I mean, let's say Wilson worked in my office (if only!) - I don't think he'd be viewed as a heap o' problems but rather an intriguing possibility.... It doesn't matter but since we're discussing it my take on it is I don't see evidence that the so called affair(s) of any kind, a word Wilson never uses, neither does he say have sex or slept with and Bonnie didn't mentioned and didn't end it Julie, ever happened. The cheating he is discussing has to do with feelings not sex. And yet hard core slashers have absolutely no problem believing that House and Wilson must have at least kissed in the past, and are obviously pining for each other despite the fact that neither of them has ever said that they're gay or bi (outside of House's joke to Stacy) or said that they have any physical attraction to the other. Ah, well, it's all conjecture - who's to say what Wilson considers to be cheating? I think the important thing is that he considers it to be cheating and whether it's feelings or sex or both, whatever it was, he describes it as cheating and so that's what it was. As far as believing that House and Wilson have a sexual and romantic relationship or that they want one - there has been a rather significant amount of innuendo but I do agree, it's conjecture. Anything we don't see onscreen is just speculation. That's the fun part, right? I enjoy my House/Wilson speculation, and so I wouldn't want to dismiss anyone else's speculation, even if it's very different from mine.

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