RNwannabe I have to tell you that your argument about sociopath!Wilson gave me chills! Aww, Lully! I didn't mean to upset you! I was just painting one possible scenario for Wilson. He didn't engender the bet in Detox and the lie in Meaning just because he was evil and wanted to torture House. Not necessarily evil, but manipulative. Detox was an experiment that didn't have the desired outcome, and Wilson was more willing to let it go at that than Cuddy (and he was really manipulative in getting Cuddy to take the fall for the bet!). On another day I can make the argument that Wilson is sunshine and goodness and light, but that doesn't fit into the discussion brought today--that Wilson needs House because House sees (and understands) Wilson's dark side. As for the esteem issues, yes, I agree that Wilson has 'em. In spades. Drifting towards the "sunshine and puppies Wilson", perhaps Wilson wants to be good, but his esteem issues keep telling him he isn't measuring up. Hence the sociopath!Wilson response. :) Another example of how House and Wilson are ying and yang (to quote Doris Egan). House the bastard has people who care about him, Wilson the nice guy doesn't. That is so cool. On the one hand, how could Wilson not have issues (assuming he cares). On the other hand, maybe sociopath!Wilson doesn't care who cares. Sorry, again, Lully. I have gone down a dark path today. ETA: Sorry for the board shift. I looked all over for my tag error. Oh well.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about him swalloing his pride and apolologizing to Wilson, but swalloing his pride and trying to avoid that whole mess to reach those proportions. But I agree with you that he showed how much he wanted to keep Wilson in that scene. Ah, I see. I agree with this. I have this desire to have Wilson temporarily leave PPTH and see things go to hell. So do I. I just want him to get completely overwhelmed (he's got to be at least half-way there) and take off for a while, just to blow off some steam. House would be bugging the crap out of Cuddy. :) And he'd be mad at Wilson in that little pouty childish way. House can make connections with others - not the same that he has with Wilson, but connections anyway, Cuddy and the ducklings are the best examples. I agree that House can make connections but like you said, they're not the same as he has with Wilson. House has a very strong connection with Wilson, stronger than he has with Cuddy and stronger than all of the ducklings, IMHO. I have people in my life that I connect with and that's great but if I lost my best friend those connections would barely register in comparison to the one I have with my best friend. You know, I think that we're essentially in agreement.

I'm ok now RNwannabe :wink: Not necessarily evil, but manipulative. Absolutely! Manipulation is one of the things that Wilson does so well to keep his façade. But I don't think that he had to manipulate Cuddy to take the fall about the bet. The bet was an open game between House and Cuddy and it was essential that House didn't know about Wilson part because then the consequences would be more serious. With Cuddy would be just a game, with Wilson wouldn't. I think Cuddy was aware of that and they had an agreement about it since the beggining. I have people in my life that I connect with and that's great but if I lost my best friend those connections would barely register in comparison to the one I have with my best friend I see your point and I agree, LMC. Now imagine to lose not only your best friend but the only person with whom you have the freedom to be yourself. I guess that would be what Wilson would lose, too. So basically, they can't lose each other!

I just said aloud, "Get me some music" and it was Barry White on the stereo. Level 28. Mr. C is a God. Is there an emticon for that? (There might be some "On Topic" there but I'll leave to the geniuses to figure out.) Anne

So basically, they can't lose each other! Exactly. See, we are in agreement. :)

...that Wilson needs House because House sees (and understands) Wilson's dark side. Not necessarily the dark side, but his true self. I view Wilson as someone that from a very early age needed to do and be what people expect from him, and being estimated upon these things alone. IMO House is the only person in Wilson's life that not only sees through the successful oncol(o)gist, good Jewish boy crap, but actually likes him for what he is. I think Wilson needs this and clings to it for dear life. House has a very strong connection with Wilson, stronger than he has with Cuddy and stronger than all of the ducklings, IMHO. ITA. Moreover, I don't really understand the comparison - House doesn't socialize with the ducklings and Cuddy outside of work, Wilson is the only person House initiates conversations about his life with... There's a very long way from co-workers that occasionally trip into you personal life and an actual friend you choose. Have some respect for Wilson's unique status, people :evil: ;)

Anne: :lol:

Wilson's unique status That's unquestionable! House doesn't socialize with the ducklings and Cuddy outside of work I could refute that... But I'm not sure I like my own arguments... Just remember the end of Half-Wit and Act Your Age... :cry:

There's no proof that he went in at the end of Half-Wit, and I will remain stubbornly in denial until proven otherwise. :x You're right about Cuddy at the end of AYA and he did go with Cameron to the Monster Truckse but only AFTER Wilson couldn't go. These are two very rare instances and in no way compares to the amount of time he spends with Wilson, socially that is. JMO. He never lets Cuddy (with the exception of Skin Deep) or the ducklings in the way he does with Wilson.

I could refute that... But I'm not sure I like my own arguments... Just remember the end of Half-Wit and Act Your Age... One time with the ducklings (that might not have actually happened) and another shot at messing with Cuddy? Come on :P

House needs a sounding board he respects. And that's the Boy Wonder. Wilson needs someone to need him. And that's the Limping Twerp (in Swedish.) The two need to feed off the chemistry. In some ways it's complicated but in so many more ways it's simple. And lovely. 8)

Can I chuck my two cents worth in and say YAY?

Guys, don't get mad at me :) I told you I didn't like my own thoughts! I also don't believe that he opened that door in Half-Wit. But AYA kind of bothers me... But after House Trainning I found a perfect good explanation for that.