I Love You: House/Wilson

Ok, I admit all those scenarios are probably much more plausible than mine, but I can't avoid to think that any explanation, like the Conference or the Honeymoon, for Wilson's absence are too simple - and I love to complicate things :wink: Wilson wasn't only edited from House's story, he was also absent on the other two (and the volley girl actually had cancer!), except for a little moment, a moment that if you blink you'll lose him. Why? TS is a very metaphorical story, nothing is what seems to be. Is Cuddy really Cuddy? Are they really at PPTH? It's House's version of the story, we don't know Stacy's side, or Cuddy's (because I do think that Cuddy was involved in some way). If Wilson's absence was only to prove that he wasn't involved in any decision why is there no clue about his whereabouts? I'm not a writer, but I'm sure that all the writers around here will agree that when you tell a story, what you don't tell explicitly is as important, if not more, as what you are actually telling. Just my two complicated cents... :roll:

TS is a very metaphorical story, nothing is what seems to be........Wilson's absence was only to prove that he wasn't involved in any decision Oh, Lully! I adore your two complicated cents! Perhaps this gives me an excuse to go watch TS with a more metaphorical eye. (or just to plain ol' watch it again. It's been awhile. :) I do still think, though, that Wilson wasn't around, physically. I don't know how he could still be such good friends with Stacy, otherwise.

I do still think, though, that Wilson wasn't around, physically. I don't know how he could still be such good friends with Stacy, otherwise. Well there's another interesting question... was Wilson really *such good* friends with Stacy? What do we actually know about their friendship, pre-s1? Yes they were friends - when House found out Wilson was meeting her for dinner in Sports Medicine he said they were friends (they'd have to be, really, or they'd have never gotten through 5 years of Stacy living with House). But did anyone get the impression Wilson & Stacy had ever met between Stacy leaving House and that dinner? I didn't. Also Wilson says 'it's been a long time' (though this of course could be a lie to spare House's feelings). Then... Wilson gets Stacy & Mark a teddy bear while Mark's ill, but frankly I'm hard pushed to remember any other examples of Wilson & Stacy getting on particularly well. Others may remember better than me :) I've just noticed that the coach in Sports Medicine is called Warner. (OK I'm clearly slow on the uptake). Another case of TPTB being unoriginal with names, I guess.

I agree with everything you said Poeia except for the very last part :wink: Despite the conviction of his many declarations, what House thinks he knows about Wilson's personal life and what's actually happening are often very different. House probably would never have learned of the dinner if it wasn't for him surprising Wilson w/ Monster Truck tickets (that House paid a ton for, how often does that happen) and someone (Cameron was it) telling House that there was no longer a conference for Wilson to attend. It does seems there wouldn't have been any reason for Stacy & Wilson to see each after she left since their friendship was a by product of her relationship with House and that ended so badly (like former in-laws). Probably better for both of them to keep in touch sporadically and via long-distance. But they must have had enough of a friendship that she would go to him for help once Mark fell ill since she knew the best way to get to House was with Wilson's help.

I don't think Wilson and Stacy were bestest buddies. But they did seem comfortable together. If Wilson had to explain to Stacy that House had been pining for her for 5 years, they probably hadn't had any long heart-to-heart talks since she left. My guess is that they were the type of friends who e-mail each other once in a while, talk on the phone a couple of times a year (at most) and exchange Christmas cards. If Wilson had been any more invested in that friendship, House would have learned about it long before Stacy came back. He knows far to much about Wilson's personal life not to have seen it. Please don't throw tomatoes at me guys but I attempted to do a timeline: 1990 – Wilson and Bonnie get married - Housetraining 1992 – House purchases current Baker Street condo – Human Error 1994 – Esther case – All In 1995 – House and Stacy start living together within a week of meeting each other 1996 – Wilson’s last contact with LLB 1997 – House starts at PPTH and House purchases his current winter car 1998 – Wilson starts at PPTH - Meaning 2000 – House’s infarction and Stacy moves out of House’s condo (based on Love Hurts) If based on Need to Know then the infarction and Stacy's leaving happened in 2001) 2002 – Stacy marries Mark I am doing the timeline to figure out if it was possible that Wilson was not only NOT THERE but in another state doing a fellowship or in Nepal learning the diagnostic secrest of the monks. Wilsoin's start date at PPTH is based on wheelchair having been treated at PPTH for 8 years. I probably have this totally wrong but cut me some slack since I just decided to go down this very, very painful road :)

The reason why I think Wilson wasn't there during the infarction is because it IS canon that Wilson was the one who stepped in and took care of House after the infarction. I think the reason why he was able to do that was because he wasn't there for those few days during the crisis, so House couldn't blame or resent Wilson for how it all went wrong (like he does with Stacy and, IMO, to a certain extent with Cuddy). I guess he could resent Wilson for not being there, but I've never gotten that sense. I think Wilson's absence let House lean on Wilson more, post-infarction, because Wilson was the one person House couldn't blame. Had Wilson been there, it would bring up all sorts of complicated issues: why he didn't realize something was wrong with House, why he didn't listen to House, how he could've let Stacy do that, etc.

Cutting and pasting from different posts: 1) I think that Wilson knows House well enough to know how he would have felt about the middle ground...Wilson would have respected House's decision in this regard. 2) Wilsoin's start date at PPTH is based on wheelchair having been treated at PPTH for 8 years. 3) it IS canon that Wilson was the one who stepped in and took care of House after the infarction. 1) I believe the opposite, that he would have done the same thing Stacy did. 2) We don't know that Wilson was wheelchair guy's doctor, just that he was treated at PPTH. 3) Actually what Wilson said was that he picked up the pieces after Stacy left. That could mean just helping House through a bad break-up.

Actually what Wilson said was that he picked up the pieces after Stacy left. That could mean just helping House through a bad break-up. Since Stacy left House right after the infarction, whether Wilson was "picking up the pieces" from the breakup or the infarction (if they can even be separated, which I don't think is possible) it doesn't affect the timeline, as they happened at the same time.

Well, RNwannabe I'm happy I gave you a reason to reawatch TS :D About Wilson staying friends with Stacy, why he wouldn't be? Was her decision so unforgivable? Was so wrong that she wanted to keep the man she loved alive? It was an impossible situation and I think Wilson would do the same thing (we already know what he is capable of doing if he thinks House is in a self-destructive path) if it was his decision - and that's why I think he feels so guilty about the infarction, it really doesn't matter if he was away or at House's bedside. He knows that he would have made the same, and House knows too (IMO!) Taiga wrote: Actually what Wilson said was that he picked up the pieces after Stacy left. That could mean just helping House through a bad break-up. Since one thing is related to the other, I believe he picked up the pieces for both.

Does someone know when will be the next 10th epi. Because I was watched some spoiler for epi from the next year. Tell me That doesn't meant that this is 10th episode? The next episode(4.10) is late January. hi.. but why is this countdown for the next episode on House on fox page? This has meant that the next epi must be on this tuesday?

I don't believe Stacy left right after the infarction. I think she tried and gave up, I have read somewhere that it was more like a year after, not sure though. I'm still not buying the Hector timeline, sorry. I'm not getting into the timeline issue either, except to note that I don't buy into the Hector timing either. But in regards to Stacy, House noted once that Stacy was great with him after the infarction, but Wilson later noted that Stacy left House while he was still in rehab. I always assumed she left a few months after the infarction, but didn't stay for as long as a year. (For fic purposes, I used eight months.)

1) I believe the opposite, that he would have done the same thing Stacy did. I believe that too. Since one thing is related to the other, I believe he picked up the pieces for both. I believe that too. I don't think Stacy left right after the infarction, I believe she stuck around a couple of months short of a year, but that's just me. I hate getting into the timeline and I'm not sure what I actually believe but I do prefer the Hector timeline.

About Wilson staying friends with Stacy, why he wouldn't be? Was her decision so unforgivable? Was so wrong that she wanted to keep the man she loved alive? It was an impossible situation and I think Wilson would do the same thing (we already know what he is capable of doing if he thinks House is in a self-destructive path) if it was his decision - and that's why I think he feels so guilty about the infarction, it really doesn't matter if he was away or at House's bedside. He knows that he would have made the same, and House knows too (IMO!) I don't think that Wilson held any long term grudge against Stacy, except maybe for leaving House the way she did. She made a decision for House against his wishes and then she compounded it when she didn't follow thru by sticking with him. Whenever she left, somewhere between a few months and under a year, it seems House was still recovering. That's what I think came out in the Wilson - Stacy argument. It would have been almost impossible for Wilson and Stacy to stay in close touch because of the way things ended with House. House was the main thing they had in common and if it was so bad that Stacy had to leave House she was essentially leaving Wilson behind too. That's typical when relationships end badly, there's always residual damages. I think ultimately House forgave Stacy when she came back. I think the reason House sent her away is because he realized there were other problems in their relationship that were going to doom it eventually, leaving her alone for the medical puzzle, how House is now on the pills and how he probably would blame her on occasion when his leg is bad or to get the upper hand in the relationship. I do think Wilson understood Stacy's choice because he might have done the same thing or at the very least considered it. But the one reason I think he would have gone along with House's decision is that we are talking about a different House. He's pre-infarction House, by that I mean no five years of enduring a crippled leg, pain and pills. He's House at his happiest and clearest, still not anyone's idea of the life of the party but not the morose person he was to become. On that basis Wilson, a Doctor, not a Lawyer, and House's best friend for much longer than House was Stacy's boyfriend, may have saw the medical possibilites of what House was requesting and fulfilled House's wishes. Which is what a Medical Proxy is suppose to do to in the first place. Making it Stacy's time to fail to live up to something she believes, the law and in a way House. We really don't know what House and Wilson were like pre-infarction and in their even earlier years together. Its likely that the relationship was a little different then the years we have been seeing. They were the years that cemented the relationship so that it can stand up to all of the tests it has to endure now. What seems obvious is that they stood by each other and very likely followed each other around no matter what the cost. As for not accepting the Hector time line, since its what we have been told I don't see the alternative. Everything else we may have thought was based on lack of information and assumption or now ignoring specific info we have been given but YMMV.

View Full Version: I Love You: House/Wilson