Shipper wrote: Because they have of course been lovers for years & still are. Oh damn, that's just my personal canon. No, not just yours! :wink:

Okey dokey. What Wilson was implying was that he wasn't getting any of late. Damn it must be a group of horses - clickety clickety click they go!!! Read into it what you want. I, personally, don't think there was much to it. I think he was just a guy commenting on a really nice pair of breasts. Which I think both he and House would continue to do even if they were together.

My personal opinion is that House was initially attracted to Wilson's intelligence and sense of humor. I imagine their first meeting as being some situation wherein House mocked the dreamy young cancer doc, and then was surprised when Wilson reciprocated with banter of his own. I agree, probably that's more or less what happened. I think it's common fanon, and borderline canon, that what bonded them intensely was the infarction. I think that they had already been close friends for years before the infarction, though later their friendship grew stronger and deeper. Wilson probably took care of him after Stacy left, for example by making sure he took his meds without ODing, he didn't kill himself -- accidentally or on purpose-- or by helping him to deal with the side-effects of the painkillers. (*) I also think their friendhip had been exclusive, 'monogamous' since the beginning. Thought they probably saw more people in those days, had more acquaintances, I just can't see House and Wilson as part of a larger bunch of friends or, say, as two thirds of a trio à la Kirk-Spock-McCoy, pre-infarction era or not. * I don't know whether it is appropriate or not, but there are two stories (two companion pieces, one from House's point of view and the other from Wilson's) by cryptictac about this matter. They're both beautiful, and put perfectly into words what I'm trying so poorly to express. Caution: both rated 'mature' Turn Off The Night http://cryptictac.livejournal.com/187093.html Close Your Eyes Eyes http://cryptictac.livejournal.com/206276.html#cutid1

I think that they had already been close friends for years before the infarction, though later their friendship grew stronger and deeper. I agree. I can't see either of them as being really social with a decent size circle of friends. I think House had Stacy and Wilson (and I guess Cuddy in a way) after the infarction, Wilson stuck around and Stacy didn't. I don't think he lost anyone else because I don't think he had anyone else, at least not anyone else who mattered nearly as much as Stacy and Wilson matter(ed). And also, I can't imagine House letting Wilson be there for him (I'm sure he tried pushing him away to an extent) if they were just casual friends at that point.

I think House's pre-infarction friends were Stacy's friends. The ones she didn't tell when she brought Mark to PPTH to be treated by House. Wilson was probably the only one for whom the House/Stacy relationship worked in that direction -- he was friends with Stacy as a result of his friendship with House. For the others, they were friends with House because of their friendship with Stacy.

I think that's canon. In 'Honeymoon' House mentions that there are no cards from "your" old friends, not "their". When he mentions "my old friends" Stacy says "he", meaning Wilson was House's only friend.

In the "Ugly" thread people are discussing the guilt House may or may not feel about Dr. Terzi losing her job and Wilson's situation during the Tritter arc. MaryIsobel wrote: How can you compare the guilt House would feel in those two situations? One with someone he cares for, who he loves, who contributed to the career ruining mess House put him in through his extensive, mistaken, but with the very best of intentions meddling and some really hot (.... ) but stupid woman who impulsively took him up on a pretty questionably motivated offer. I just can't compare the two stances. And honestly, I didn't notice any guilt from House about Terzi losing her job, I think he was feeling guilty about other matters. Was I suppose to connect the two situations? Did I miss some clue about the similarities? Are there similarities at all?

He did feel some guilt when he went into Wilson's office and said she's an idiot. Wilson said "fire her" and House said that she'd left a career for this job. But, when it came down to it, he didn't have any problem doing it. I thought the apologies to Wilson -- both "they matter" in B&B and "I had no business blaming you" in W&D -- were heartfelt and difficult for him to say.

Poeia wrote: He did feel some guilt when he went into Wilson's office and said she's an idiot. I guess it's a perception thing. I couldn't feel any guilt related to her job in that scene or in any other scene to be fair. He was upset because she was an idiot and he failed to notice this, which made him looked like an idiot too. He used the job excuse to not fire her right away, because if he did so he'd be admitting his mistake. Wilson's remark - "You're feeling guilty about her job? I must meet this woman" - sounded sarcastic to me, like he knew that the problem wasn't the job. I found the two situations so absurdly different that I can't compare House's reactions. But maybe it's more about me than about the plot...

New topic only because I can't think of anything to add to the current one. Initially, there was a lot of discussion over at H/W LJ of the lack of hoyay in the Ugly H/W scenes but I thought they were filled with hoyay. House's possessiveness of Wilson during the immediately following the Wiccan scene. The producers wondering if House was being subjected to a witch hunt because of his implied orientation. The boy meets girl scene in which House thought 13 was pretty but he wasn't interested. Called CTB a bitch and wasn't too interested in asking CIA doc out. And Wilson called House cute. I have been watching all the H/W scenes non-stop. I really like that moment when House says 13 is getting uglier by the minute and he turns and smiles at Wilson. Wilson is being more House's friend. He's not involved in his cases except for 97secs which I am happy about. I just wish we could them hanging out together outside of work.

there was a lot of discussion over at H/W LJ of the lack of hoyay in the Ugly H/W scenes but I thought they were filled with hoyay. My other half (not remotely a slasher but amused by me being so) turned to me after Ugly and said, 'Not much HoYay in that for you, was there?' My take on it is that Ugly wasn't so much a great *hoyay* ep (and I can spot the sub-sub-sub text if there even might just be any, or none), but it was a great *House/Wilson* ep; I actually enjoyed Ugly a lot because there was more H/W interaction than, well, the vast majority of House episodes ever. The trouble with the hoyay count (esp. for those without the benefit of slash goggles) is that so much of the H/W interaction was them talking about the attractiveness of women. Not a problem for me as it only serves to confirm my optimistic world view that each of them having the odd relationship with women only serves to make the House/Wilson relationship stronger... but I can see why it bothers others. ITA that I would lurve to see them hanging out together outside of work. In a bar or watching TV would be fine, it doesn't even have to be anything too obvious like a sauna or hot tub 8)

My take on it is that Ugly wasn't so much a great *hoyay* ep (and I can spot the sub-sub-sub text if there even might just be any, or none), but it was a great *House/Wilson* ep Yes, that's how I feel too. In fact this epi remember me a lot AYA. I like their interactions, I love how much Wilson we got to see, but the hoyay vibe was not very strong - but was there, anyway, that whole "blue the janitor" and "we're gonna get caught" (too bad it wasn't a closet!) And, really, they always talk about women's attractiveness, since season one: remember the pre-school teacher from Fidelity? I would lurve to see them hanging out together outside of work. Since Alone, after Wilson's "you said we're going to have lunch" line, I completely believe that they do hang out together again on a regular basis, but TPTB don't show us because they like to torture us! :P ETA: Shipper, I love, love your icon!!! :heart: