Psychedk's essay about Wilson's devotion is amazing! Thanks for the link Winter. Somehow I missed it when it was posted in LJ...
DrSpaceman- 11-11-2007
I have to say, it wasn't until I came here that that line from "Spin" made sense and I realized it was about House. When I first saw the episode, I thought there was something "off" about the line. The way it was vague and gender neutral. In the conversation with Cameron, the natural thing to say would be, "I met a woman," and then describe the affair. But I noticed even then that Wilson didn't mention sleeping with the person, or technically cheating at all, which I found odd. But if you think it's about House, it makes perfect sense.
idonmatrix- 11-11-2007
And the Spin line also makes me think that they have been moving toward House/Wilson from the very beginning.
Duckling- 11-11-2007
That's been my take on it as well...Even before I started picking up 'romantic' undertones in their relationship I always wondered if maybe House is more responsible for breaking up Wilson's marriages then is let on. Like Wilson has emotional affairs with House rather then physical affairs with random unnamed woman.
xD Seeing how willing he was to pass on his Wife's Christmas parties to spend the night eating takeout and watching TV with House, then it seems rather likely to me.
That line was just too deliberately ambiguous to ignore. It means something, I'm sure of it :P
Eeheehe, I really, really hope so, MaryIsobel. I think I need to get her invested in the characters before I try anything (She's a little weirded out that her daughter is crushing on men older then she is) and then I'll bring on the essays >D At the moment she's still a little bitter that I was right about Grindeldore and doesn't take me seriously after I started insisting that Miguel and Tulio from Road to El Dorado were gay...
:D Thanks for the links, Winter! I bookmarked them to read when I get a free minute (blaarg, homework >.<)
Edited to change the font color back to black. From now on use the standard font color. A word or two in another color is fine, but an entire post is overkill. Don't do it again. RSH already posted about this issue on the previous page. I shouldn't have to do it again.
-sauty
LightMyCandle- 11-11-2007
And the Spin line also makes me think that they have been moving toward House/Wilson from the very beginning.
The Spin scene is one of the few times I've ever felt that they weren't just teasing us in fun. It was one of the few times I've thought they were serious about that relationship, (in the shippy sense, they're usually pretty good with just the friendship). I've never doubted that Wilson was talking about House. God, I just love that scene. :wub:
filex1410- 11-12-2007
I've never doubted that Wilson was talking about House. God, I just love that scene. :wub:ITA! I remember during S3 a discussion in the Wilson thread over at The W Other Place the topic came up to name one thing you feel certain you know about Wilson. Mine was that in Spin he was talking about House. It kicked up a bit of a ruckus. :D
Still, also never a doubt in my mind. That line and the look on RSL's face is Love!
BTW Ducky here's a link to another of Bettina Elvina's H/W essays
House and Wilson: If It's Not Going to Happen, Why Are We Still Interested?
http://community.livejournal.com/house_wilson/1347786.html From April 2007. Love her stuff.
Lully- 11-12-2007
If there's one thing that I truly believe in my personal canon is that Wilson was talking about House. Maybe one day they'll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. That whole scene was constructed to be ambiguous, a piece in the puzzle that is their relationship.
In B&B we learned the only two things that worked for Wilson: House and his job.
Later, in Fools for Love they gave us another piece: Wilson spent all his time around House, because his marriages were crap. But he seemed to imply in Spin that his marriage at the time he met that elusive someone was fine, so this someone changed him enough that the nice marriage was doomed.
This also ties with the idea that H/W know each other for a long time, probably since marriage #1 and that everything in Wilson's life seems to be connected with House.
Jouse- 11-12-2007
Shipper, you're a H/W closet case? ;) I love to quote lines from various smut!fics in social gatherings, for inspiration sake 8)
Those of you who have succumbed to FB are welcome to PM me and we'll exchange details :balloon:
galaxygirl- 11-12-2007
And the Spin line also makes me think that they have been moving toward House/Wilson from the very beginning.
The Spin scene is one of the few times I've ever felt that they weren't just teasing us in fun. It was one of the few times I've thought they were serious about that relationship, (in the shippy sense, they're usually pretty good with just the friendship). I've never doubted that Wilson was talking about House. God, I just love that scene. :wub:
Same here, if it's about a woman, why not just say so. Why bother with the secrecy, the lack of pronouns. They either want us to think he was talking about House but leave the options open that he was talking about a woman or he was in fact talking about House. In my mind the whole speech makes perfect sense if you know he's talking about House.
I hope that made sense, it sounded so much better in my head.
arizonamyrie- 11-12-2007
If there's one thing that I truly believe in my personal canon is that Wilson was talking about House. Maybe one day they'll prove me wrong, but I doubt it. That whole scene was constructed to be ambiguous, a piece in the puzzle that is their relationship.
And I love the ambiguity. Can you just imagine Wife #1? I'm sure that even though there was a relationship there, it couldn't have been as strong as what developed between House and Wilson. I'm sure that the Wilson/Wife1 was more of an accessory type of relationship, or at least one of convenience. Wilson probably faced pressure from family and professional contacts to marry so he could rise up the social ladder, then along the way met House. Who really knows how they got along at first, but I'm sure that Wilson was able to handle him. As this was also pre-Stacy for House, he was a different person (and it's convenient for the telling of this particular story of House that the show starts five years after the infarction, something many showrunners would have as a defining moment). So, I'm sure House's acerbic attitude was a bit lessened - he was still snarky, but not yet as bitter as he is now.
The friendship developed despite other relationships in their lives. Who really knows what wife Wilson was on when Stacy came along, but if it was Bonnie, poor Bonnie. She was someone who needed Wilson, probably for confidence, and at the same time, Wilson probably needed confidence as well, the confidence of having House/Stacy as friends. But could you now imagine Bonnie with Wilson/House/Stacy at a social gathering? I can't. In fact, I'm not even sure if Wilson allowed House to meet Bonnie.
My personal canon with Julie was that Wilson may have had a wandering eye (but didn't do much about it), but Julie had cheated on Wilson - repeatedly. We don't know much about her, but my canon is that she was more of a female version of House (because by this time, Wilson is deep in whatever he has with House) and Wilson was attracted to her because of something in her personality that reminded him of House, but it wasn't enough to make him feel "funny... good."
I think that in at least the last two marriages, House was the one that Wilson cheated with, even if it was just by being late for something important. The "serial cheater" idea was more that House was always there, House was that disfuctional relationship in the background that the lover was addicted to.
House is Wilson's Vicodin.
Lully- 11-12-2007
I love the ambiguity
So do I! I like that pretty much every interpretation for that scene is valid.
About the wife #1, I can see Wilson marrying her for love, actually, or the idea that he had about love at that time. I'm guessing here, but I believe that they were both very young when they got married. So when he met House his controlled, arranged, fairy-tale kind of world, collapsed. He felt funny and good, he felt validated about himself.
could you now imagine Bonnie with Wilson/House/Stacy at a social gathering?
Yes, I could! And I feel so sorry for Bonnie... I do believe that she was the wife when House and Stacy met and we know that at some point she and House had some kind of interaction (she resented him too much, after all).
Julie had cheated on Wilson - repeatedly.
I thought I was the only one believing that :D But I don't think that Julie was like House, she was probably a better and smart version of Bonnie (IMO).
The "serial cheater" idea was more that House was always there, House was that disfuctional relationship in the background that the lover was addicted to.
House is Wilson's Vicodin.
This is just too perfect... I think I love you!
hwshipper- 11-12-2007
Shipper, you're a H/W closet case? ;)
:oops: Fraid so. Well, on Facebook anyway, I guess I'm firmly with Wilson in that hotel room :wink: House is mentioned in my profile, but not H/W.
Love hearing about everyone else's interpretation of Wilson/wives etc.
I don't think Bonnie knew Stacy because of the *whisper* timeline - assuming their marriage was 17 years before s3 and over fairly quickly (I can't see it lasting more than a couple of years), she'd be gone by the time Stacy appeared (10 years before s1).
Wife #1 plays a pivotal role in my house_bigbang fic which I'm in the middle of, so I have created a splendid personal canon backstory about her. God I would love it so much if TPTB gave us a name for her, in say the next month or so. It will drive me bananas if I give her a name and canon contradicts me the following week.
LightMyCandle- 11-12-2007
About the wife #1, I can see Wilson marrying her for love, actually, or the idea that he had about love at that time. I'm guessing here, but I believe that they were both very young when they got married. So when he met House his controlled, arranged, fairy-tale kind of world, collapsed. He felt funny and good, he felt validated about himself.
That's what I believe too. I believe he met House while he was married to wife #1 and that's when everything...uh...spiraled (for lack of a better term.) He thought he had what he wanted with wife #1, he thought he was really in love, and then House came along and what Wilson felt (and still feels) for him was just so much more powerful than what he had with wife #1, Bonnie, and Julie.
filex1410- 11-12-2007
Total WORD LMC!
idonmatrix- 11-12-2007
Shipper, you're a H/W closet case? ;)
:oops: Fraid so. Well, on Facebook anyway, I guess I'm firmly with Wilson in that hotel room :wink: House is mentioned in my profile, but not H/W.
Love hearing about everyone else's interpretation of Wilson/wives etc.
I don't think Bonnie knew Stacy because of the *whisper* timeline - assuming their marriage was 17 years before s3 and over fairly quickly (I can't see it lasting more than a couple of years), she'd be gone by the time Stacy appeared (10 years before s1).
Wife #1 plays a pivotal role in my house_bigbang fic which I'm in the middle of, so I have created a splendid personal canon backstory about her. God I would love it so much if TPTB gave us a name for her, in say the next month or so. It will drive me bananas if I give her a name and canon contradicts me the following week.
What is the "whisper" timeline? Also, in Fools for Love, during the opening scene (credits rolling) that you marry someone at 20 and wakeup at 30 and realized it's not the same person you married. Then House turns and sees Wilson talking to Wendy. I've always wondered if that was a timemarker statement for one of Wilson's marriages.
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