Wilson/Amber was the first het ship that I really, really enjoyed. I am still grieving. I just can't stop watching Wilson's Heart. I also loved House/Amber scene on the white bus. That was just beautiful. Amber I miss you.

How many people think they would have made it in the long run? If House was out of the picture I think they would make it. She was good for him and I like to think that he was very good for her too. DS said she was the perfect woman for him, and I really don't know if I hate or love DS for doing that with Wilson. I'll have to wait and see... I always liked Amber, she was the only contender that I found really interesting. But the moment they brought her back to be House's "rival" I knew she wouldn't last. She couldn't stay forever (unless this was the last season...) and put her in the background, and make her another "wife" would diminish her character. She went away in the only way that could make her unforgettable. It was sad, but I liked it.

How many people think they would have made it in the long run? I'm with Lully here, if there were no House, then I think they would have made it. She was great for him, she brought him something new that he had never had in a relationship and he did the same for her. I think they loved each other very much. Their final scene together was incredbily moving. But, if Wilson needed to stay on the show and continue to be House's best friend (not that I want him to leave, God forbid) then such a good match for him could not last. I think because it was still so new and he was still so happy with her, he'll put her on a pedastal and idealize her and their relationship which will just make it that much harder to move on. Definately my favorite het pairing that this show has ever suggested/had and Amber is my favorite female character the show has ever had. I hated her at first and the writers made me adore her by the end, that's amazing. I'll miss her and I'll miss someone being in Wilson's corner like that.

I think: 1. No House: Wilson and Amber would have made it because a) Amber = House and b) added advantage of sex. 2. House: Wilson and Amber might have made it. However, House would always "be in the way" the same way he was with the wives. Amber could cope with that but I'm not certain Wilson would have been able to. Either way, sob, is now hypothetical.

See, we've been "trained" to accept the idea that Wilson's marriages fail no matter what. That's just as canon as Cuddy's low-cut shirts. So, I didn't expect the relationship to go as well as was shown. Amber did accept House outright - even wanted to work for him before meeting Wilson. So, she got past that hurtle. I think in the long run because of that, it would have worked out. However, there would have always been the chance of it not working, as there is for any marriage, especially with the stereotypes that doctors have. It just makes me really want to know even more about the Wilson's Wives Club.

I guess I'll use this chance to sum up (long windedly, of course) most of my thoughts on Wilson and Amber. I never felt they would last and though I appreciated their sweeter moments at the end of LTD that was about it. As heartbreaking as Amber’s end was it makes it that much easier to romanticize the relationship we saw before. I think DS's "She's perfect for him." comment was just a bit of a set up for the audience, to make what was coming all the worse, maybe even ironic, because since when is anything perfect in the world of House? I still despised the way Amber handled the custody battle and I wonder if she went to the bar to get House instead of sending Wilson because a bar was the last place she was letting Wilson go after House. In fact Wilson and Amber's relationship had barely scratched the surface. There was so much they still didn’t know about each other and that we didn't know about them beyond the fact that, as Captanne said, she was House but with whom Wilson could have sex. Once they were past the honeymoon stage (something Wilson successfully got thru three times prior) the day to day of a relationship, their differing attitudes and approaches what more each might have wanted and might not have wanted from the relationship would become key. Their main activity together seemed to be sex, which at that early stage is the norm. (Although story wise I couldn't help but think it was there to up Wilson's het quotient.) Again Amber always the one putting the emphasis on it and taking the lead the way the wives had apparently done in the past. They were both in the non-questioning stage. They were just happy to be together and that was all they wanted and the rest would have to wait. Perfectly fine. Been there, done that. :) Oh and they occasionally went out to dinner. Still there were already seeds of things that could have tripped them up; Amber’s bullying that was still an embarrassment to Wilson although he put up with it and Amber’s angry reaction at the idea that Wilson might treat her like he had all of the wives. Her insistence that Wilson take care of himself was an excellent piece of advice (and one he may put into action now) but the idea that he could have stopped looking out for and taking care of the people he cares for seems unlikely long term. It was cute how as Amber pushes Wilson thru the bedroom door and says "Let's test run this baby." Wilson was all excited because he thinks he has scored big time, or will score big time :wink:, because he got Amber what she wanted and then the second her back hits that mattress she knows that this is not the one he wanted and while he is still going all hot and heavy, undressing her and kissing her, she has stopped cold dead. He has not only not scored he has completely crapped out. How quickly she pulled the plug when he got it wrong. Without any tragic event occurring a variation of Cuddy's prediction was probably the collision course they were on. To say if House wasn’t around is a bit, well, impossible. He can’t be removed from the equation unless they left for another state or another show. :lol: Without the accident H/W's relationship would continue to be vital to Wilson and as time went on that could have come to grate more on Amber as it did with the others. Although then it was the downturn in the marriages that sent Wilson back to House not just House’s need of him. We have a real life example in JM & JS, They had what seemed from the outside a happy relationship that I believe began shortly after they met. But ultimately after 3+ years, an engagement and on the verge of their wedding they separated. It's not a failure as such but a relationship that ran its course and romantically didn’t work out. It’s really not important if W/A would have lasted 1 year or ten or long into old age. It’s the possibility that will be mourned, the fact they never got to find out. And that the happiness they were having was cut short. Although the brevity of it could in another way help Wilson recover. If they had gone on for awhile and then broken up, whatever the reason, Wilson likely would have felt bad but he would have know that at least they tried to make it work. Now having been cheated out of that chance it will be that much more difficult to get over it. She couldn't stay forever (unless this was the last season...) and put her in the background, and make her another "wife" would diminish her character. She went away in the only way that could make her unforgettable. It was sad, but I liked it. ITA with this and all Nekocat wrote.

filex wrote: I wonder if she went to the bar to get House instead of sending Wilson because a bar was the last place she was letting Wilson go after House. I wondered about that after the episode ended. It was one of the questions that was left without an answer. I think it was one of the reasons, but not the main one. If she went there just to prevent Wilson to go after House, once he left the bar she had no reason to follow him into the bus, she would just go back to her car and go home. Her mission accomplished. I think she went there because she was curious and wanted to talk with a drunk House - she said in DEC that if he wanted to talk she was pretty sure it would be interesting to listen. But mainly, she went there because of Wilson, to prevent him to worry about House (I'm still convinced that that line about Wilson's concerns in HH actually happened at some point in their conversation) and to please him. That's why she followed House, to be sure he would be safe. In a way, her actions mirror House's sacrifice in WH: both of them were trying to please and protect Wilson, but ironically, both of them ended up failing. And I have this strange, crazy thought that the writers, in a very twisted way, used Amber's death as a metaphor to House's. Since he can't die (at least not until the last episode...) we got to see it happening with his proxy...

Without any tragic event occurring a variation of Cuddy's prediction was probably the collision course they were on. Of course, Cuddy was operating (as most were) on the Bitch stereotype. Her point was that Amber would always put herself first and Wilson would put Amber first as well. As we saw, that wasn't true. Amber made an effort to put Wilson first, to consider his needs. It wasn't perfect, but I appreciated that. Amber was still a cutthroat bitch, but with Wilson she had changed. Not in a way that betrayed herself, but just in a way that made herself better. And Wilson was changing, too, also for the better. Who knows where they were heading, but I do think they had a solid foundation because both were changing and (ugly word) growing in positive ways. Part of that was also House, and I think House was scared in a way he wasn't with the wives. He respected Amber in a way I don't think he ever did with Wilson's other women - Amber could go toe to toe with House and, also alarmingly, I think House was freaked that Amber protective of Wilson because House, deep down, has always been scared that he is damaging Wilson by his presence.

We have a real life example in JM & JS You're comparing JM and JS to Amber and Wilson? :shock: People keep saying that they'd only been together a short time so the loss isn't that great, and IRL that would be true, but this is the Houseverse where Stacy moved in with House a week after their first date. I don't think the length of time they had together is supposed to be that relevant. Amber and House seemed to be accepting each other more, and maybe long-term they could have found a way to make their triangle of affection work. I will say that I loved that Amber not only called House on his bullsh*t, but Wilson as well. IMHO that's what Wilson needs more than anything!

I think there's something more in Wilson's reaction than just the loss of Amber. We seem to be overlooking the state of Wilson's life before he meets her. He was miserable and lonely for at least two years, no one cared about his problems. Amber was like a fresh gulf of air, with her he was happy for the first time since... I don't even know, since the show started? She was funny, smart and exciting and, as a "side effect", their relationship forced House to show that Wilson was important to him. Suddenly, and in a very shocking way, he lost everything, again. He was mourning all his losses, not only her eminent death. And he was trying to save, not only her life, but also everything of good that she brought to his life. Amber and House seemed to be accepting each other more, and maybe long-term they could have found a way to make their triangle of affection work. I'm not sure about that. I don't think that House was accepting her, yet. He seemed more and more frustrated because his usual approach wasn't working with her - his phone call to Wilson is very telling. He didn't want just a ride from a friend because he was drunk, he also - and mainly - wanted to disturb W/A's time together - hence his guilt? Though, it's hard to tell if Amber was accepting House because we didn't have time to know her - and neither Wilson... But she seemed much more capable of dealing with House that the other women in Wilson's life. In the long run maybe they would have learned how to live with each other for Wilson's sake, but House isn't good with middle ground and I guess she wasn't either, so I have a lot of doubts if would have worked. It's much more likely that they would have driven Wilson crazy and at the end he would have to choose between one of them - but we'll never know which one he would have chosen... Oh, and NO I don't think that Wilson asking House to do the DBS thing is a prove that he would choose Amber at the end.

He was mourning all his losses, not only her eminent death. And he was trying to save, not only her life, but also everything of good that she brought to his life. ITA, she brought a lot to his life very quickly. I don't think he's ever had a relationship like that. He got the perks of the Houselike parts of her personality, he got someone who wanted him to focus on his needs and take care of himself, and he got House paying real attention to him. I'm not saying that he didn't love her because I think he did but his life with her was a much happier one than he had been living, lonely and in a hotel. That chance for happiness is gone now.

See, I don't think House accepted her. After DEC, he showed signs of putting up with her, and I think he had a healthy respect for her after she said that she wanted a man who could love her, blah blah blah. She didn't come out and say she wasn't using Wilson, but House seemed to trust that and let that slide. I think he stayed jealous to the end, but whatever. Amber, on the other hand, I think, knew that House was something she'd have to put up with in her relationship with Wilson; she never tried to convince him to dump House, at least from what we'd seen. Like when House comes to her apartment and she says, "Mom's got yoga practice, try to have him home by 11." She was exasperated, but seemed to take the whole thing with a sense of humor. If she really resented House, she didn't have to pick him up at the bar at all. Edited because I have no idea who JHouse is.