I've always assumed that Amber won't actually be seen that often. House and Wilson may refer to her in banter, but now that they've established their relationship -- and the outlines of what that relationship entails and House's opinion of it -- she doesn't need to be present physically to be present emotionally and spiritually in House and Wilson's discussions and friendship.

I don't think House could ever NOT be involved in Wilson's life in whatever way. He couldn't, because House involves himself in everyones' lives I think that, while Wilson's other relationships may have suffered some from House, W/A might stick because Amber had prior experience with House before she began dating Wilson and she'd seen how Wilson and House act with each other, so she'd know what to expect. Which could be a good thing for their relationship.

Given how Amber needs to "win", I'm wondering if we're going to see her and House battle for Wilson's time and attention.

I'm wondering if we're going to see her and House battle for Wilson's time and attention. I'd love to see that. I agreed HTR, she knows, superficially, how H/W act around each other and she knows House thinks Wilson would be the only one to care enough about him. But I doubt she knows how far Wilson is able to go to protect House. Like Taiga said, she needs and likes to win, she doesn't seem the kind of person who would settle with a second place in anything, and House was the one who prevented her to win the game. I don't think she would accept to lose to him again. Unless she really has changed.

I'm wondering if we're going to see her and House battle for Wilson's time and attention. I have my doubts that it will come to that...at least for a while. House is willing to step back and while I don't think that means he's going to completely leave Wilson alone (he's addicted) he's not going to make a huge fuss of DEC proportions. Besides as far as we've seen since S3, House and Wilson only hang out at the hospital. Amber doesn't work there. She has him on the off hours. It's like a weird Wilson custody arrangement.

I can see House and Amber signing the papers now. I can see them being a while into the relationship and then Amber will make some sort of comment about(or blandantly point out) House and Wilson spending time together. And then there will be tension and we'll hear about it when Wilson is psychoanalyzing House.

I can see them being a while into the relationship and then Amber will make some sort of comment about(or blandantly point out) House and Wilson spending time together. Oh, I'm sure it will come up eventually. Wilson can't just stay in a happy relationship for the rest of the series. I agree that it will take a while to get there. Let the tension build.

For the most part, the discussion has been whether House will give Wilson space to have a successful relationship with Amber. But, it occurs to me, that because Amber has been described as a female House, maybe House might approach the relationship from a different perspective. He seems to agree that he and Amber have similar traits. I think he might choose to see the relationship as an opportunity to see what he does to sabotage his own relationships clinically. Of course, this could induce him to experiment to see the results... just a thought

Maybe I give House too much credit, but I think he knows pretty well what he's doing to sabotage his relationships. He alienates people since he was three, it seems. What I think he doesn't understand is why Wilson is an exception. LMC wrote: Besides as far as we've seen since S3, House and Wilson only hang out at the hospital. We don't know that for sure. At the end of HT Wilson asked him if he wanted to go out and have dinner, in Alone Wilson thought they were going out to have lunch (if it was an unexpected invitation I think Wilson would be more suspicious) and in DEC Cuddy said that Wilson was at House's disposal 24/7, maybe an exaggeration, but not by much. I do think they spend time together out side the hospital, we just can't see it. And I'm with Idon, if House don't fight for Wilson's attention in his peculiar way, the only reason I see to the W/Amber hook up is to reduce Wilson's time - even more - something I don't want to see happening (yes, it's only me, me, me... :roll: )

Like I mentioned in the spoiler thread, I see a gradual unravelling. Julie took what, two seasons? Especially with Amber being a doctor I'm sure they can coast for a long time, technically living together but both precoccupied with their jobs. I don't think we'll have too much insight into their relationship, and if they do want to bring Amber back for a big break-up then probably that won't happen until at least next season (and if they want AD, when Mad Men and House shooting schedules no longer conflict, as they do now). But since the inherent conflict is resolved I see what most do: House and Wilson back as usual, maybe with House making a few cracks here and there about Amber. Since I'm not expecting the series to go beyond a sixth season maybe at most, who knows, maybe Amber will stick around but make only a few appearances.

I think both Wilson and House are experts at self-sabotage, with each one as a sometimes-eager, but often unintentional, accomplice. I was thinking recently, if they would be different if they were not both at PPTH, but still lived and worked nearby. I wonder if their relationship would be more relaxed, like Chinese take-out at Christmas. House sometimes gets so outrageous, knowing that Wilson is there to break the fall. If Wilson were not there, he wouldn't even know about half the antics that House pulls (unless Cuddy let him know). Would House - will House - be more cautious, if that safety net is not so close at hand? Also, what if House had actually liked one of the wives for example, and enjoyed her company. That would have been another thing altogether, as the three might have ended up spending time together, instead of the wife/House tug-of-war for Wilson's time and attention. I don't know why, but that was the impression I got regarding the Stacy relationship. Since she and Wilson are friends, they obviously got on well when S & H were together, and they very probably did a great deal with Wilson - when he was between wives. Another thing is that, although we've never seen or heard of them engaging in sports together, we do know that healthy House ran, played golf, went paint-balling, (and IIRC, skied?). Not only was that a stress reliever for him and an outlet for his aggressive personality, but it is something he bitterly misses. A good deal of normal, hanging-out time could well have been spent that way, with and without their females. Sports are out now, but if there were something House, Amber and Wilson all enjoyed, it would be interesting to see. I wonder if she likes Monster Trucks? Holy moly! That would be new - watching these people actually having normal, non-sadistic, prankless - fun? And I'm with Idon, if House don't fight for Wilson's attention in his peculiar way, the only reason I see to the W/Amber hook up is to reduce Wilson's time - even more - something I don't want to see happening (yes, it's only me, me, me... :roll: ) Lully, as far as not wanting less Wilson, I am completely with you, you, you! :lol:

Like with House, if Amber is smart she'll know to let Wilson have freedom rather than cling to him. As for Wilson and Stacy, I've never gotten the feeling that that they were ever good friends, but rather friends by proxy through House. And also Wilson is not as posessive of House as vice versa - witness Wilson actively encouraging House to date, to meet a woman, etc. Wilson wants House to be happy and I can't see him ever pulling the stunts House has. Wilson approached both Cameron and Stacy quietly to make sure they didn't hurt House, but didn't actively try to prevent anything. Of the things that scare him about House, I don't think losing House as a friend if House gets another girlfriend is one of them. Losing House to jail, drugs, self-desctruction? I think those are the ways Wilson is scared of losing him. In my personal canon, in the Stacy days Wilson and House were good friends - as were Stacy and Mrs. Wilson du jour probably friends, I see a lot of double date outings - but it wasn't until after the infarction and Stacy left and Wilson "picked up the pieces" that House became pathologically dependent on Wilson. When House had Stacy and before he was a cripple, I agree that he wasn't happy but also probably was athletic, had a lot more casual friends (golfing buddies, husbands of Stacy's friends, whatever) but post-infarction his world shrank and Wilson stayed, so Wilson basically became his world. Any energy or affection spread out over other friends, on his girlfriend, etc. now was all on Wilson, who became House's only friend and his only family. House is still the most important person in Wilson's life as well, but throughout that time Wilson did have wives/girlfriends, he seems popular enough at the hospital to have casual friends there, he's not apparently estranged from his parents, etc. So he's not as laser-focused on House.

wary, I'm glad I found company to my self-centeredness... 8) wary wrote: that was the impression I got regarding the Stacy relationship. Since she and Wilson are friends, they obviously got on well when S & H were together, and they very probably did a great deal with Wilson About the Wilson/Stacy relationship, what DrS said. House and Wilson have a very different approach regarding external connections. Wilson misses human contact, one of the reasons I think he got so depressed after his divorce and during season 3 was his absolute loneliness - no one was there for him, his world became smaller and smaller, and House didn't care. In fact, and I would go a little OT here... House only seemed to care when he suspected Wilson was in the verge of finding new connections, first with Wendy (which was a misunderstanding) and later with Cuddy. In a way I think Stacy and Wilson were to each other that external connection that House seems to refuse to everyone around him. Did this make any sense?! DrS wrote: but it wasn't until after the infarction and Stacy left and Wilson "picked up the pieces" that House became pathologically dependent on Wilson. I know this is your personal canon, and I don't particularly disagree, but Bonnie pointed out that House always needed Wilson, and that Wilson was always there for him, House didn't care about whether Wilson had a wife or not, and I think she was talking about the pre-infarction House. Nevertheless, I agree that after the infarction this situation must have intensified. george wrote: I take it you mean that the exception lies in the fact that his attempts to sabotage his relationship with Wilson failed Yep, that's what I meant. All this discussion is slight OT, if someone wants to change to another thread, I'll follow.