I Closed The Deal: Wilson/Cutthroat Bitch

I just changed the title before reading your post, filey dear. I rewatched the episode last night and realized I had made a mistake when I added the title. :-)

I was thinking about this "moving in" thing... Wilson didn't really break any pattern. He moved in with her after only 4 weeks, he approached her because she was in a "bad situation", he tried his best to hide the story from House. And I have no doubt that she jumped him. The only difference is that Amber, unlike the previous wives, as long as we know, can argue with House and even win sometimes, at least for now. Maybe I was wrong and she wouldn't be staying that long... What if House was right all along? And taking HTR's idea and spinning it: what if the idea to mess up with House only occurred to her after his visit?

I can see it both ways, Lully. That is a good point. (Plus, House is almost always eventually right. :D)

Does anyone think that Wilson called to warn her that House would show up to intimidate her out of dating him? Because it's an awfully big coincidence that she just happened to wear Wilson's sweatshirt that day.

Nice GG! She's even a better player than I thought :o In fact she was surprised to see House already inside the apartment, but not so much with his questionings... And how mad with himself House must be feeling, if he hadn't started that whole game and didn't fired Amber at the end, Wilson and her might never hook up. :lol:

Ha! Power-play Amber. :D

It's more than likely that Wilson had warned her, but I have a feeling she suspected that House would get like that. She knew Wilson was his best friend, naturally House would make a big deal out of this. I like the thought of her wearing the sweatshirt on purpose. Evil!

Because it's an awfully big coincidence that she just happened to wear Wilson's sweatshirt that day. If I had Wilson's sweatshirt, I would never take it off. Yeah, I've got nothing substantial to add, I'm just stating my shallow opinion.

Because it's an awfully big coincidence that she just happened to wear Wilson's sweatshirt that day. If I had Wilson's sweatshirt, I would never take it off. Yeah, I've got nothing substantial to add, I'm just stating my shallow opinion. Excellent point. I would totally be like 'he's mine, bitches'. :wink:

Because it's an awfully big coincidence that she just happened to wear Wilson's sweatshirt that day. If I had Wilson's sweatshirt, I would never take it off. Yeah, I've got nothing substantial to add, I'm just stating my shallow opinion. Excellent point. I would totally be like 'he's mine, bitches'. :wink: Sounds like an "Amber" thing to say.

I was thinking about this "moving in" thing... Wilson didn't really break any pattern. He moved in with her after only 4 weeks, he approached her because she was in a "bad situation", he tried his best to hide the story from House. And I have no doubt that she jumped him. The only difference is that Amber, unlike the previous wives, as long as we know, can argue with House and even win sometimes, at least for now. Maybe I was wrong and she wouldn't be staying that long... What if House was right all along? And taking HTR's idea and spinning it: what if the idea to mess up with House only occurred to her after his visit? As you know I've been looking at this from every angle and I am feeling more that while they won't immediately end W/A is not likely to go much past beginning of S5. I would have said end of S4 but there may not be enough time to wrap it up in only 4 - 6 episodes. As for the idea of change when I go back over it I don't see it either, for anyone. Amber hasn’t changed she is still the aggressive person that she was during the competition but now what she wants is not a fellowship but Wilson. As you say Lully Wilson hasn’t really broken the pattern. Amber is needy but the source is not just getting fired. The bigger source is the fact that she says that she has never been loved before. At almost 30 that is some need! House didn’t learn this about her until after he and Wilson had talk outside his office about her being a needy version of House. I doubt Wilson knows, it’s probably something she would keep hidden from him for fear of scaring him off. Little did she know catnip to a cat. House also hasn’t changed, he has always wanted Wilson to be happy he just went about in a somewhat skewed ways. He has always wanted to keep Wilson from getting hurt by anymore failed relationships. Once he's convinced the relationship isn't real or feels it is no longer able to hurt Wilson he stops interfering. So maybe he feels that no matter what happens with W/A it won’t hurt Wilson because it will ultimately bring them closer together. Especially now that House has recognized a new depth of feeling for Wilson and Wilson has said that someone like House is exactly what he needs.

House also hasn’t changed, he has always wanted Wilson to be happy he just went about in a somewhat skewed ways. He has always wanted to keep Wilson from getting hurt by anymore failed relationships. Once he's convinced the relationship isn't real or feels it is no longer able to hurt Wilson he stops interfering. So maybe he feels that no matter what happens with W/A it won’t hurt Wilson because it will ultimately bring them closer together. Especially now that House has recognized a new depth of feeling for Wilson and Wilson has said that someone like House is exactly what he needs. I have been loathe to post what will no doubt be an unpopular opinion. Heck, I'm not even saying it's my opinion, but I have a fundamentally different read on the characters of House & Wilson than probably the majority of posters here, so.... I don't see House and Wilson as gay, bi, gay just for each other or bi just for each other. I think they do both have an immense love for each other but to me canon shows that these are two heterosexual men that both have physical appreciation for the ladies. I'm not going to go through the trouble of trying to prove a negative--in other words, I suppose one could argue that House or Wilson could have had same-sex relationships in the past because canon doesn't say that they didn't---but I'm sticking with what the the program has shown me, not what it hasn't. I am, however, of the opinion that House and Wilson aren't necessarily recognizing any new feelings for one another. I think they've always been there. The difference is that the audience is given a further glance into their psyche and how they operate around each other. From the pilot we know that Wilson understands that House cares about him. Every episode since may have had the audience scratching their heads wondering exactly how it is they can be such good friends--it's just that the show has taken it's sweet time unveiling the depth of their friendship. In short, I don't think House or Wilson has suddenly come to grip with feelings for the other that they can't explain; the audience is just coming to the gradual understanding of why they are friends in the first place. In Frozen and Don't Ever Change, I feel that Wilson has finally managed to understand that what keeps him tied to House is something that could equally keep him tied to a female partner. I think Wilson fundamentally understands his relationship with House. I think he's been mistaken in thinking that he needed an entirely different dynamic with a woman in order to have a successful romantic relationship. In the past he has chosen women that don't resemble House at all and they have crashed and burned spectacularly. The lightbulb flicked on a little late for him, but he's finally reconciled that the dynamics he craves in his friendship with House would serve him equally well in a relationship with Amber. Where I divert from the Hoyay path is that I don't think this realization is code for House and Wilson waiting for the right moment to become intimate with each other. Not at all. From a narrative perspective, I just don't feel that's the story that they're ultimately telling. I especially don't find that true when the largest demographic of House viewers is, apparently, the 18-25 year old male group. In other words, the demo probably least likely to stick around for some sort of sexual re-awakening between House and Wilson no matter how gloriously told. So the other half of this question is will House, in turn, search for his own female mate that compliments the friendship that he has with Wilson? As Cate pointed out, House gets a lot of psychoanalyzing from Wilson; something that he bitches about, but also something that he seems to crave. Wilson is, on the surface, a "nice" guy but certainly murkier waters run deep. Again, something that House evidently finds appealing. (I think it's fair to say that House finds everyone more appealing if they've got something dark and twisted going on with their private lives.) In short, what I'm saying is that I wouldn't be a damned bit surprised if they tried a similar storyline with House and....Cameron. I suspect there has to be a reason why House assumes that Wilson and Cameron get along so well. Considering the amount of clues we are given that Wilson and Cameron have some sort of cameraderie that is centered around mutual concern for House. I think it's a given that House will try a little something-something with Cuddy. This is a spectacular flame-out waiting to happen. I'm not saying it won't be fun to watch (and it will be better still, if neither House nor Cuddy are in their indulgent mother/spoiled child role) but there's nothing about their personalities that could mesh enough such that a long-lasting relationship is possible. (Not to mention, Cuddy would have to make a choice between being House's boss and the hospital administrator and his lover. I'm not sure she won't choose the hospital.) To me, Cuddy and Stacy are cut from the same cloth. Both are anxious to wear the pants in the relationship and both have personalities that generate sparks but don't ultimately mesh with House's. You get the sense that there's a continuous battle for ultimate authority in those dynamics which works wonderfully for conflict and adversaries; not so good for functional relationships. So it all leads me to wonder if, at some point, House is going to be looking for his female Wilson and find it in the most likely candidate at this point, Cameron. This, by the way, is not a pairing that I'm advocating. In fact, I think I'd prefer that House just remain alone for the good of the show. I remain a committed non-shipper, but every since they started this Wilson/Amber storyline, it has caused me to wonder. Not to mention, if there was nothing more to explore, I can't imagine they would have retained Jennifer Morrison on the show, nor provided her with the utter confusion of the "I love Doctor House" line in Ugly. There is nothing compelling or interesting enough about the Cameron/Chase dynamic to maintain that as a storyline. Or even a sideline of a storyline. As weirdly as they brought it together, I have a feeling they're going to smash it apart as well. I equally have the opinion that Wilson/Amber is going to be around for awhile. I think they'll stick if for no other reason than their relationship and their dynamic actually is interesting and fodder for plenty of conflict vis a vis House. Let the fur fly.

No fur flying from me, bailey. You've stated very articulately the POV I see as that of the show. Two straight, screwed up guys that have found some deep friendship that they are discovering is not fulfilling anywhere near all their needs. I don't see House/Cameron happening, though, and that may be colored by the fact that I just don't want to, so on that I'm not capable of being objective, though you do make a good argument for it. If Hoouse has to have a love interest, I could see him crash and burn with Cuddy really fast and then surprise everyone by seeing a psychiatrist, a wise blonde with a broken toe, perhaps. And AD should be fun: maybe the two of them can outprank House! Oh, dear, P&P is starting. I must go see my old TV boyfriend, Mr. Firth, so very lovely. Anyway, that's all I had to say. Carry on...

You won't get any flying fur with me either, however I don't see this ultimately ending up being any kind of House/Cameron because I don't think Cameron is Wilson's female counterpart. I think TPTB were purposely telling us that Cate was Wilson's female counterpart, that way we got Wilson connecting with Amber at the same time House was connecting with Cate. They could have found time to do that with Cameron this season, but they haven't. In fact, in Frozen Cameron was acting very Cuddyish. Wilson and Cameron do have their similarities, but I don't think they're essentially the same but with different sex organs. And despite the supposed "comeraderie" Wilson and Cameron have, I don't believe they like each other, and I've always believed that (especially in S3) Cameron resents Wilson's place in House's life. If they've had W/A set-up from the beginning of this season, then they should have also been setting up HAM, going by your theory, but they haven't. Personally, I think her Freudian slip in Ugly was put in to appease the HAM shippers, just as the kiss was in H-W. As it is, they've barely had any scenes together and House just does not seem interested in her in any way, shape, or form. What they have been setting up is Huddy. Aside from Wilson, Cuddy is the person who is closest to House. That's the reason I can see him taking comfort in her before anyone else. Last season when things were rough between House and Wilson, I saw House going to Cuddy a lot more. I think she is his surrogate Wilson, JMO.

You won't get any flying fur with me either, however I don't see this ultimately ending up being any kind of House/Cameron because I don't think Cameron is Wilson's female counterpart. I think TPTB were purposely telling us that Cate was Wilson's female counterpart, that way we got Wilson connecting with Amber at the same time House was connecting with Cate. I think Cate was meant to open House's eyes again to the idea of forming a connection with another human being. She was yet another step he has been taking after Honey the nutritionist. I would be very happy to see Cate on the show again, should they go that route. But right now there is no indication that they will and her character will be one of dozens that have given House pause and leant some insight into what he is thinking and feeling. They could have found time to do that with Cameron this season, but they haven't. In fact, in Frozen Cameron was acting very Cuddyish. Wilson and Cameron do have their similarities, but I don't think they're essentially the same but with different sex organs. One could argue that in Frozen Cameron was actually being very Wilson-ish as well. She recognized the game House was playing and parried with him. For that matter, I don't think House and Amber are exactly the same with different sex organs. They are similiar personality types, not identical personality types. And despite the supposed "comeraderie" Wilson and Cameron have, I don't believe they like each other, and I've always believed that (especially in S3) Cameron resents Wilson's place in House's life. I have to say I don't see any evidence for that. I wouldn't suggest that Cameron and Wilson toss back beers together when House isn't looking, but as of the end of season 3, they are certainly on good footing with each other. As usual, their conversations revolve around House and his antics but they are clearly on friendly, speaking terms. We haven't seen any interaction between them this season, have we? I'm not sure that speaks of any kind of rift in their relationship but rather that virtually everything has been sacrificed for the gimmick of the big hiring game. If they've had W/A set-up from the beginning of this season, then they should have also been setting up HAM, going by your theory, but they haven't. I've never thought TPTB were telling their story in strict, parallel form. There's no reason to think that two characters searching for answers in their life should automatically be coming to the same realizations at the exact same time. Personally, I think her Freudian slip in Ugly was put in to appease the HAM shippers, just as the kiss was in H-W. I'd like to think TPTB haven't divided their audience into various factions of shipperdom. If they do, that leaves viewers like me completely out of the equation. If they ARE just throwing random developments in for no other reason that to appease a certain squee faction, then my esteem for them has plummeted. As it is, they've barely had any scenes together and House just does not seem interested in her in any way, shape, or form. What they have been setting up is Huddy. I agree. I think the anvils on this development began falling fast and heavy last season and have somewhat continued this year as well. Even Cuddy got buried in the shuffle of the hiring games to a certain extent. Aside from Wilson, Cuddy is the person who is closest to House. That's the reason I can see him taking comfort in her before anyone else. Last season when things were rough between House and Wilson, I saw House going to Cuddy a lot more. I think she is his surrogate Wilson, JMO. Cuddy's basic personality is nothing like Wilson's. Cuddy's personality is far more akin to Stacy's personality. What I learned of Stacy was that infarction or no infarction, House and Stacy were never going to make it in the long haul. Their needs were too wildly divergent to sustain a relationship. I absolutely agree that they're going to explore House/Cuddy in some degree or another. But I don't think it will last much beyond another one night stand followed by a trainwreck of a morning after.

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