It was cheesy and insincere and, if they hadn't included it, I wouldn't have been at all sad -- especially if it made room for the Wilson/Cameron scene which I think would have been much more informative. But I do think it was real. People behave like in real life that when they find out someone they don't like is dying.
That's very close to my opinion on the scene--it was realistic and there's wrong with it per se, but I think the Wilson/Cameron scene would have added more, and given Cameron something organic to do that enhanced the episode.
Taiga- 07-01-2008
I too thought the diet pills were a combination of SSRIs and amphetamines, not that she was taking diet pills + SSRIs + amphetamines. The Fox recap says
Kutner shows them a bottle of vitamins that is really filled with prescription diet pills containing SSRI's and amphetamines.No one else seemed to care enough about his state of mind - except House, but this is not the point - to go and sit with him and to let him to mourn.
Cuddy did, and to be fair the rest of them were busy trying to cure Amber.
Count me in as wishing we'd seen the Wilson and Cameron scene instead of the newbie goodbye scene. She knew they didn't like her and I'm sure she didn't like them. They could have thrown in a one-line reference to them having said goodbye without wasting the time showing it. (Though Taub's kiss was very sweet.) But maybe Foreman needed to see that it's possible to face death without trying to kill a co-worker with tainted blood.
LightMyCandle- 07-01-2008
Cuddy did, and to be fair the rest of them were busy trying to cure Amber.
True, both Foreman and Chase put a hand on his shoulder, I think they cared, not in a overdramatic, "bestest buddy" way, just in a, "I've known you for years and I'm sorry this is happening to you." Of course, Foreman was mostly going against Wilson in the episode but I can see his point there and it had nothing to do with just not caring. And Cuddy does still (I assume) have a whole hospital to run, she was there for Wilson at a time when he really needed someone. I give her points (and Cameron points for her cut scene) for that.
But maybe Foreman needed to see that it's possible to face death without trying to kill a co-worker with tainted blood.
Now I have an image of Amber leaping out of bed all 28 Days Later style and attacking Foreman.
Taiga- 07-01-2008
ZOMBIE AMBER!!
Lully- 07-02-2008
No one else seemed to care enough about his state of mind - except House, but this is not the point - to go and sit with him and to let him to mourn.
Cuddy did, and to be fair the rest of them were busy trying to cure Amber.
Actually I was talking about that specific moment, when Wilson was sitting alone at the cafeteria. But... yes, TKT and Foreman were busy with Amber. Chase was probably doing some surgery and Cuddy is always so worried about her hospital that I'd never expect her to drop a meeting to go to comfort a colleague (unless, of course, it's House). Only Cameron seemed to think that a little company might help him to go through all that and that she could find fifteen minutes in her busy ER's schedule to stay with him. It's true that Cuddy came to his office later, but then there was a reason beyond the comfort: to tell him it was time to let her go. It's a task I don't envy and she did it perfectly, she was caring and composed - it reminded me their scene in FJ, with the roles reversed.
filex1410- 07-02-2008
I think they did give us a pretty strong hint as to why Amber was taking those meds. We know from "Guardian Angels" that she felt she always had to be right -- had to be perfect -- because no one liked her, but then they'd have to respect her. So it makes sense that characteristic -- the need to present herself as "perfect" would carry through to the pills found in her apartment. Not that she needed them for diet purposes, necessarily, but rather because they were amphetemins ... they'd give her the energy to do more, to get by with less sleep, to push herself further. That also feeds back nicely into what she says in "Don't Ever Change," in that with Wilson she finally found someone who didn't require perfection and both loved and respected her.
Amphetamines were once hailed as a "great" diet pill. I think they are still used in those cheesy/unlicensed/untested "diet pills" that are sold on the internet and on infomercials.
Apparently, SSRIs can also suppress appetite, though I'm not certain. (I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on tv.) So I think when the team (was it Kutner?) made the above statement, he was saying that Amber was on a prescription diet medication which contains SSRIs and amphetamines. I did not take that to mean that she was using a crazy bunch of separate drugs. Since Amber is tall and thin and yet took diet pills, I have to think she had a messed up vision of her own body image.
Near as I can ascertain, I don’t know medicine either, amphetamines and SSRI are two different drugs that are not found in one diet pill. Amphetamines are a stimulant which is rarely prescribed for weight loss anymore, more common use is for ADHD, although a doctor can make the call to prescribe for weight loss. SSRIs are anti-depressant. Both affect serotonin. The danger in taking both is you can get what is called serotonin syndrome caused by increased serotonin in the central nervous system. Which can be life threatening. The two most common weight loss amphetamines both warn against also using SSRIs.
The way the line reads it sounded like they could be saying Amber is taking both, “Prescription Diet Pills, Amphetamines and SSRI”. Of Course that could just be sloppy writing. Also when House asks 13 about who found the pills he only refers to them as diet pills so I guess it is just that.
If Amber was just taking the amphetamines then I agree with Namaste I don’t see it as a body issue but more likely to use as a stimulant to keep her going during long work hours so she can stay on top of her game.
So she is still abusing the drug and hiding that fact from Wilson.
Then the Amantadine for the slightest of flu symptoms, some sneezing. Funnily that pill is also not thought to be very effective any more. CDC recommended that amantadine should not be used for the treatment or prevention of influenza A during the 2007-08 flu season, because the current influenza A virus in the United States is resistant to this medication.
I just still see it has a sign of what would have been part of trouble in their future if a bit less so with ADs not meant to be in the mix.
I don’t believe Amber mentions not needing to be perfect for Wilson just that she can get from him both love and respect when previously she had to choose and she settled for respect. Makes me wonder what kind of respect she was getting from the partner in her previous go at sex videos.
Wilson is the one who says in DEC that Amber doesn’t have to be perfect because he is not. But he’s not discussing her career accomplishment, which I think was what Amber was referring to when she discussed needing to be right, Wilson is specifically speaking of her personality and aggression because those were the faults House was pointing up at that time. As we know and House realized Wilson can deal with personality faults. Especially the ones that so closely mirror House which he isn’t putting up with as much as he really likes them. I think that Wilson liked that Amber was accomplished in her profession. It was something they had in common, another mirror aspect of House and seemingly a change from the wives at least a ways from Bonnie who he described dismissively as the worst realtor in NJ and possibly Julie who we never heard of having a job or much else.
I think the Cam/ Wilson scene would have related back to the fact that Cameron had been in the place where Wilson now unexpectedly found himself contemplating the death of someone he loved. Perhaps since that scene didn't make it in maybe we'll get a different veriosn of it in the early going of S5 as Wilson copes with the loss something else Cameron has already gone through.
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