I Closed The Deal: Wilson/Cutthroat Bitch

You are welcome Taiga. I hate to shoot down your Awww but all three of them are speaking there, although Wilson is the last to speak before her brain spikes. But House points out that random spikes are common and Cuddy's grited "shut up" seems to indicate that's true. Sorry if I'm not being a romantic. I have a different question, I had read in recaps that Amber was taking both diet pills and anti depressants but didn't recall the ADs being mentioned. I now see the line is this ...Prescription diet pills. SSRIs, amphetamines. Does that mean that she was taking them both to lose weight (not really why SSRIs are given although they can be used to treat eating disorders) or were the SSRIs being taken for depression? I see they can both be used to treat ADHD Which she sure didn't seem to have. I also read where sexual dysfunction caused by SSRIs can sometimes be mitigated by several different drugs. These include: amphetamine (stimulant) amantadine (antiviral) WTF was up with her? They mention in the episode that the diet pills could effect the heart valve but no one mentions that SSRIs can cause liver and renal impairment. Does anyone think that Amber's drug use including the seemingly too easy given scrip of amantadine will be followed up on in S5 or like Amber will it be dead and buried?

Does anyone think that Amber's drug use including the seemingly too easy given scrip of amantadine will be followed up on in S5 or like Amber will it be dead and buried? I've thought that she's had some sort of issue with drugs ever since Games aired and I was always disappointed that nothing more was said about it. I'd like to find out more, I'm just having trouble working out a way that we could find out more without having another Volakis drop in to fill us all in (which is a cheap cop out, IMO).

Silly question, but where is the transcript? WTF was up with her? No idea... But I'm not sure if her sudden flirting with drugs wasn't another: "See? She's House on a skirt! Please, don't fail to notice!" - as the pole through her right thigh, which at the end, meant nothing. From Games I had the impression that she might have used something, or more likely, someone she knew, had used drugs. Nothing came from this and now I have serious doubts we'll know more about her past. Maybe they mention it at some point, but I don't think the right way to deal with Wilson's grief is bringing up things he might not know about her.

The drugs they found in Amber & Wilson's apartment were skipped over way too quickly in my opinion. I'm suspecting that's an editing issue -- they ran out of space in the ep. My guess is the dramatic/narrative purpose was to increase Wilson's doubt of Amber, to make him more suspicious that she was hiding things and therefore might've been having an affair with House. Taub had done a tox screen for recreational drugs Amber might have taken with House, and pronounced that screen clean. Amphetamines are a recreational drug, so I'd think that means Amber hadn't been taking them at the time of her death, but yet they were in the medicine cabinet.

The drugs they found in Amber & Wilson's apartment were skipped over way too quickly in my opinion. I'm suspecting that's an editing issue -- they ran out of space in the ep. Quite possible. And yet they kept the "fellows' farewell" scene... I have nothing against that scene, but it was long and unnecessary. It would be much more interesting if we could have heard the conversation between Wilson and Cameron. It was a great opportunity to listen to Wilson talking about Amber and maybe then we could have had some clues about his fears and suspicions - they spend three years forcing Cameron down our throats in the most possible silly ways, and the moment they have a good use for her they missed it! :roll: YMMV, of course... Well, I disagree with you on the not liking Cameron part but agree that cutting the scene of Wilson and Cameron in favor of yet another montage that, in the middle of an otherwise, serious episode, honestly made me laugh out loud because it was so clunky and so absurd. (At least it was prefaced with a conversation about how absurd it was.) I wanted more of a connection with Wilson during that time and I ended up feeling sorry for him having to endure this parade of people who had only a tenuous link to Amber and none to himself. It would have made more sense to me to have the two people who have lost spouses/significant others to share a meaningful scene but, yeah. YMMV.

Silly question, but where is the transcript? Not silly at all, no secret it's at http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/house/ It's an older site for transcripts it’s a little funky with annoying pop-up ads but it is currently the only place that I know of where W's H is transcribed. Amphetamines are a recreational drug, so I'd think that means Amber hadn't been taking them at the time of her death, but yet they were in the medicine cabinet. That could have just been because at the time she was on the amantadine. I agree that all of the pills were part of the continuing House proxy connection. The self medicating, over compensation is similar. Amber was more secrative than House but then we don't really know why she was taking those particular drugs or even if we were meant to think that she had perhaps stopped taking them after she began seeing Wilson or they were on hand because she was still taking them. With House we at least know the physical and perhaps even some of the psychological reasons he imbues. I didn't think that as far as Wilson was concerned it was there so much to cast doubt in his mind on a possible Amber affair with House, which was nuts. But that may have been the affect it was meant to have for House (whose guilty conscience would be found to stem from the accident) and the audience once Taub (who has an actual guilty conscience re. affairs)planted it. For Wilson I'm thinking it was perhaps more to show that despite their feelings for one another Wilson didn't really know Amber that well. Their exchange about the sex video that he had never done that before but that she had was another illustration of that too. Perhaps in future it may be something that casts doubts for Wilson on how quickly he moved into (literally and figuratively) the relationship. Also ITA that the Cam/Wilson scene would have been much preferred to the heavy handed montage, especially with RSL commenting how good he thought it was, high praise indeed. I understand the thought that they needed to give the other characters closure re. Amber perhaps so they wouldn’t have to address it for them in future, which would be fine, but we and they could have done without it. I wish we would get to hear more details on it or see it on the DVD but since no one mentioned that prospect when it came up at the LAT forum and I don’t think they have ever put deleted scenes on their discs I guess not. Maybe if a box set comes out after the show is completed.

Thanks for the link, filey! filey wrote: Perhaps in future it may be something that casts doubts for Wilson on how quickly he moved into (literally and figuratively) the relationship. Actually, all his relationships, it seems... But for this to happen we must be allowed to see Wilson having a serious conversation with someone about himself! That's what I was expecting to see between he and Cam. It's strange to speculate about a scene we may never watch, but since the first time I watched the episode I got the feeling that that scene would be awesome - even before I read about RSL's praise. Cameron was the only one who came to talk to Wilson when he was sitting there, alone. It was clear that she came because she was worried about him, without any ulterior motive. Because she knew that he needed to talk and maybe cry about his loss. No one else seemed to care enough about his state of mind - except House, but this is not the point - to go and sit with him and to let him to mourn. So many things we could have found out about Wilson and maybe even the H/W relationship...

I have nothing against that scene, but it was long and unnecessary. It would be much more interesting if we could have heard the conversation between Wilson and Cameron. It was a great opportunity to listen to Wilson talking about Amber and maybe then we could have had some clues about his fears and suspicions - they spend three years forcing Cameron down our throats in the most possible silly ways, and the moment they have a good use for her they missed it! ITA, I hated the newbie goodbye montage. Not only was it completely cheesy but it was so insincere that it made me mad. They don't like her but when she was dying they suddenly do or they're obligated to act like they did. I hated that. If you care about her in the slightest, let her be with the person who actually does love her and who she loves too, don't go down there to make yourself feel better or to feel like a good person or whatever that was supposed to accomplish. Word on the Cameron thing too. For once, they could have ended a season where I could actually like her, but they cut it. We spent three years hearing about her PDH and now when it's actually useful and applies to another main character, it gets cut out. RSL may have been disappointed but I bet JM was p*ssed, or not, but I know I would be. I just hope we get to see that scene somehow.

Amber was more secrative than House but then we don't really know why she was taking those particular drugs or even if we were meant to think that she had perhaps stopped taking them after she began seeing Wilson or they were on hand because she was still taking them. With House we at least know the physical and perhaps even some of the psychological reasons he imbues. I think they did give us a pretty strong hint as to why Amber was taking those meds. We know from "Guardian Angels" that she felt she always had to be right -- had to be perfect -- because no one liked her, but then they'd have to respect her. So it makes sense that characteristic -- the need to present herself as "perfect" would carry through to the pills found in her apartment. Not that she needed them for diet purposes, necessarily, but rather because they were amphetemins ... they'd give her the energy to do more, to get by with less sleep, to push herself further. That also feeds back nicely into what she says in "Don't Ever Change," in that with Wilson she finally found someone who didn't require perfection and both loved and respected her.

ITA, I hated the newbie goodbye montage. Not only was it completely cheesy but it was so insincere that it made me mad. They don't like her but when she was dying they suddenly do or they're obligated to act like they did. I hated that. If you care about her in the slightest, let her be with the person who actually does love her and who she loves too, don't go down there to make yourself feel better or to feel like a good person or whatever that was supposed to accomplish. It was cheesy and insincere and, if they hadn't included it, I wouldn't have been at all sad -- especially if it made room for the Wilson/Cameron scene which I think would have been much more informative. But I do think it was real. People behave like in real life that when they find out someone they don't like is dying.

...Prescription diet pills. SSRIs, amphetamines. Amphetamines were once hailed as a "great" diet pill. I think they are still used in those cheesy/unlicensed/untested "diet pills" that are sold on the internet and on infomercials. Apparently, SSRIs can also suppress appetite, though I'm not certain. (I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on tv.) So I think when the team (was it Kutner?) made the above statement, he was saying that Amber was on a prescription diet medication which contains SSRIs and amphetamines. I did not take that to mean that she was using a crazy bunch of separate drugs. Since Amber is tall and thin and yet took diet pills, I have to think she had a messed up vision of her own body image.

But I do think it was real. People behave like in real life that when they find out someone they don't like is dying. Oh, I know people act like that in real life, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm not one who has been against the newbies or their screentime, but that montage just irked me.

So I think when the team (was it Kutner?) made the above statement, he was saying that Amber was on a prescription diet medication which contains SSRIs and amphetamines. I did not take that to mean that she was using a crazy bunch of separate drugs. Since Amber is tall and thin and yet took diet pills, I have to think she had a messed up vision of her own body image. That was my take as well. I didn't think I was supposed to come away from that exchange thinking Amber was a speed freak or anything.

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