I flove the comment that the only difference "hoyay" in their relationship would make is that they go home together at night. They already do that. Unless you meant "together" together and that we have not been told about. (Personally, I'm a dyed in the wool House/Wilson fan so I'd be totally cool with it. We just haven't seen anything close to it. Except, maybe, how physically close they are while House won't let anyone else but She Who Will Remain Nameless within 10 meters unless he has an ulterior motive.)

I don't think that House and Wilson are gay, incidently. I think they may be bi or just gay for each other. That second one is probably a controversial view, but I honestly don't see either one of them being attracted to other men... just to each other. It's interesting to try and sort out why I find House/Wilson the most viable relationship. I think I see Wilson as most likely gay but closeted even to himself. I think if he doesn't find something with House, he may find it with another man. He seems like someone who has built up an exterior which doesn't match his inner self very closely and that is reflected in the many failures in his personal life. Three divorces before the age of forty in what looks to be a very nicely mainstream man is odd. We know Wilson is not quite what he seems, and I think his relationship with House hints at what he may not want to acknowledge to himself. House, on the other hand, I think has a very flexible open definition of sexuality, but has always identified himself as straight. I think he'd have no difficulty with the concept of falling in love with a person, not a gender, but he's not yet accepted that he's done that himself with his best friend. Or not :D I don't think the show has promised me this scenario, but if they went there, I'd find it believable. The groundwork has been laid.

I agree with that jair. I could see Wilson as gay. But part of me enjoys the idea that he's only "gay for" House. I can't explain it. But yes, I'd totally buy it if the show wrote him as coming out of the closet. I just wouldn't buy House as gay; to me he is straight or bi. I agree with what you wrote about House and fluid sexuality, etc. It's sort of what I meant that he's only gay for Wilson... that he's in love with Wilson the person and not attracted to males in general. But as always, you said it more clearly and intellectually. :) I admit that I am torn on this issue. I do really really enjoy their friendship, and I think it's a wonderful, bizarre kind of friendship that is rarely portrayed in this fashion on television. So part of me doesn't want to lose that. At the same time, I think a storyline getting them together would be wonderful, and it wouldn't mean they'd lose anything in terms of their friendship. I'm torn on this.

(Havn't been around in a long time! Wow.) I have to say for myself that right now I'm really optimistic about House/Wilson actually happening canonically as a sexual relationship on the show. So much so that if it doesn't happen by by next season I'll feel like it's a cop-out. With the way they set up DEC it certainly seems like they intend to follow the House/Wilson/Amber situation through as an arc, and I can't imagine any way that arc would realistically end with the way they've been playing it than if House and Wilson become involved. How else would it end? Amber leaves and House and Wilson go back to how they always were, ignoring the sexuality issues that have already been raised into plain sight? Wilson and Amber live happily ever after? It seems like any resolution to this arc other than a House/Wilson one would be totally pointless.

NightOwl, I like what your saying in your last post here and in your earlier post last page to bailey. And jair at this point it will probably be easier to let you know when I don't agree with you. I think Wilson as either gay or bi and but in denial about that aspect of himself are both reasonable scenarios. House does identify as straight but as said things and had reactions that do make it seem realistic that he could come to a place where his flexible thinking could make him more receptive to his own feelings along those same lines. ETA, Cirro, welcome back! And because it seems to be a theme for me today, ITA with your outlook for H/W.

I personally think they may be bi or just gay for each other. That second one is probably a controversial view, but I honestly don't see either one of them being attracted to other men... just to each other. I agree. I have no doubt that they're both attracted to women but the I also believe that they are attracted to each other. Their relationship is so complicated and deep and they're both so addicted to each other that even when presented with a perfect oppurtunity to break free, they don't do it, they can't do it. They keep coming back. Them getting together feels like a natural next step, IMO, after DEC. should they have a baby together, will they wind up together in their rocking chairs, I don't even now did they? They both had kids with other people and they grew apart only to be reunited by their kids attending the same college. But Jack and Karen stayed together through it all, which I found right and adorable. And yes, Jack may have been a stereotype but like you said he was not ashamed of who he was, I remember a specific episode dealing with that when Will was embarassed by Jack because he was such a "fag." Poor Jack overheard.

I know all of the characters, men and women, are suppose to have flaws that keep them from being "whole" it just for the woman they all seem to be lacking the same thing. I can see what you mean, although I think Fox Voiceover Guy's agenda was given to him by the suits at Fox, not the writers :D . I guess I don't see Cameron's issue of defining love as the desire to fix and confusing the personal and professional lines as the same as Cuddy's recognition that her options in her personal life are closing in a way she doesn't want. I also think Cuddy should be given credit for not asking House in the end, because I think she decided that because she knew she probably wouldn't like the complications that would ensue. She wasn't lacking perspective there. Unlike most viewers, I guess, I can see Lisa Edelstein's point when she says each season has given Cuddy more layers. Season one Cuddy was lots of fun, but a little too in control of things to be very realistic if we buy her caring for House. And I do. I think her difficulty with figuring out where to draw the line with him is an inescapable part of her job (and the show's conceit) exacerbated by her feelings for him. I hope that tension is going to be the focus of the exploration next season, and if it is, I think it will be worthwhile and tell us more about the both of them. We may get strongly in control Cuddy back at the end, but I think we should also see the cost to her. I haven't got a good read on Amber yet, so I can't comment on her. And 13 is taking the opposite tack and resolutely keeping her personal life personal and focusing on her job. She too seems very flawed, though. :D

By promotion I actually meant the interviews that concentrate, like the recent "Charlie's Angels" TV Guide cover on each woman and how their romantic feelings for House overwhelmingly impact on them. Also the employee I was think of was Wilson, that was one of her first thoughts before going back to a donor. I still think Cuddy went to far off the rails in regard to her protecting House, but I'll be great w/ the H/Cdy if it does, which I think it will, give Cuddy a chance to regain her focus. If she's paid personally for her professional accomplishments and I think most people do, even men, then she has also paid for her professional dedication to House, which as yousay, is part of the show's conceit, so that will probably always be there. She at least needs to get over her personal devotion to House, in the sense that he is somehow still a potential mate for her which may also be why she has had less sucsess in her recent romantic life. He seems to be an ideal to her, despite all the warning signs, that she can't get past. Amber we'll see I could be surprised. 13 yes there's much more to come. But we have been told about an upcoming romance for 13 and that House will find out. Flawed, oh yeah. Initially at least it seems to be her fear of others knowing her and judging or dismissing her based on that knowledge whether its her possible Huntigton's or her sexuality. ETA,I remember a specific episode dealing with that when Will was embarassed by Jack because he was such a "Nurse Brad." Poor Jack overheard.From what I've seen of it and I catch a rerun now and again, that seemed to be part of Will being so not the stereotype that though Jack was his best friend he was also at times embarassed by him for not being PC, like a who's the "best" gay. Which at least shows that there is not just one type of gay male in the world...there are many types of gay men with different backgrounds, stories and lives. There could even be two Doctors who have know each other for 20 years are completely devoted and despite each of them having concentrated in the past on romantic relationships with woman, they find the one romantic relationship that is ultimately right for them both is the one they will have with each other. :)

She at least needs to get over her personal devotion to House, in the sense that he is somehow still a potential mate for her which may also be why she has had less sucsess in her recent romantic life. He seems to be an ideal to her, despite all the warning signs, that she can't get past. In her defense, she has had some kind of relationship with House in the past, and I think House would be a difficult act to follow, flaws and all. The two seem to really enjoy and get each other, which is a really good reason to protect the friendship, but also makes it understandable why Cuddy finds it hard to completely let go of the past. Especially when House is the one throwing hints.

Yes and when their professional life overlaps with that it can be difficult to see the forest for the trees. While they really do appreciate each other, I think they have both had times of I have your back at work because of our friendship and I'm your friend because we have to work together. But as you said Cuddy realized back in S3 that even the prospect of asking House to be a sperm donor would be too complicated. It seems like the next step for both of them is perhaps by revisiting their romantic past to finally leave it in the past. Then they can each get on to the next thing and set a better boundary at work.

A friend once defined himself as a bisexual man, I was quite surprised because I only had seen him with women, he told me then that when he was at the college he had a "thing" with another guy (who wasn't gay, either). He said they never consummated the relationship but they felt a strong attraction to each other, and while they were together they didn't have the need to have any girlfriends. He thought that if he could feel that about a man, he couldn't define himself as straight. Who am I to disagree? And this is exactly what I feel about H/W. I don't think is necessary to put labels on them. They are two guys who feel an undeniable attraction to each other - and if the attraction is also sexual remains to be seen - who love each other more than anyone else around them. For me that's the most important part of their relationship, that's what I want to see - and all the possible developments - until the end of the show. And NightOwl, your perfect scenario - of them going home together together - is my perfect ending! :P

No, I never saw him conducting a red carpet interview, maybe I have to try sometime... I only remember him for his flubbed interview with RSL from a couple of years ago. About the likelihood of the relationship becoming text (or more text), a friend of mine raised an interesting point which I hadn't thought of, which is the factor of both HL and RSL. He pointed out that they are not people, whether as actors through their portrayals or simply as human beings, who would tolerate the denigration of a gay relationship. Mainly we were talking about Hugh, since he's the one with the creative input into the show and its direction: both of us could see him being very clear to DS that if the show was going to go in this direction it needed to be treated seriously and with respect, and not played off as a mere joke. Which IMO was borne out already by DEC, which although it had its moments of humor also couldn't have been more serious (which is what astonished me about the episode).

Know what I think is most ridiculous about that poll? That Stacy wasn't included. Whether or not fans liked her, it's canon that she is/was the love of House's life to date.