Wilson's office is suitable for extra curriculum activities. Oh my gawd, Jouse! Too perfect! And I love the look on Wilson's face in the following screencap. He looks intrigued at the possibilities. I suspect his pants are off by now.........

Jouse wrote in the Speculation Thread: I'm really trying not to take offense at, or read too much into, the anty-slash vibes surrounding this board lately. It is well known that the views on this show vary. We're not trying to force our views on you - we deserve the same in return. I'm not goint to put het goggles on (I have no slash ones, no need for them with this show) when I leave the HoYay pound. I kind of feel the same way. I'm intrigued that just because we like the hoyay vibes from the show, some fans seem to think that we are unable to analyze or understand the show from a neutral POV and I take offense at that. I don't see any SQUEEEE!!! in others threads, except here and the ILU, so why do I feel that every opinion about the H/W relationship when express by a shipper is always interpreted in the slash sense out of this two threads? It seems to me that the anti-slashers are much more worried about to prove that there's nothing between H/W than we are to prove the opposite. Which brings another little thing that bothers me (just a little): why some fans think it's necessary to diminish Wilson's importance in House's life and sometimes completely ignore his existence, just to promote a relationship between House and another character? Is Wilson such an inconvenience? I'd love to know other opinions, but no bashing about other characters,*others posters or others ships, please! If somehow I'm out of the line with this post, please Mods, delete it. *ETA!

Lully, there was a lot of SQUEE in the 97 secs ep thread when the ILU appeared! Its a legitimate issue, but please also, no bashing of other posters/shippers either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion & their preferred ship. IMO the situation is not specific to H/W - if you look at other comms, similar situations arise with other ships depending on which group is in the majority/minority and the threat of the week bashing tends to reflect which ship DS tweaks at that moment in time (witness the Chase bashing at the early stages of the Chameron arc).

Lully, there was a lot of SQUEE in the 97 secs ep thread when the ILU appeared! Is it forbiden to express our joy at something that happened in an episode? Or is it just the gay joy that's frowned upon? I'm intrigued that just because we like the hoyay vibes from the show, some fans seem to think that we are unable to analyze or understand the show from a neutral POV and I take offense at that. I don't see the H/W shipping analysis as necessarily biased, and frankly, I can't help but think that if it was a post about, say, House and Cuddy's possible future relationship, it would be considered very neutral indeed.

I haven't really noticed any hoyay bashing here, there's a difference of opinions, sure, but I have yet to see anyone get mean about it. I mean I've been to some places where the anti-hoyayers get really hostile about and desperately try to prove it false, which I find amusing more than anything, that they take it more seriously than I do. why some fans think it's necessary to diminish Wilson's importance in House's life and sometimes completely ignore his existence, just to promote a relationship between House and another character? Is Wilson such an inconvenience? THAT does bug me, and again, I don't recall seeing it here but it's one of the things that irked me so much last week about the new HAM dynamic. It wasn't so much the ep. itself, the ducklings have made bets with him in the past, it was that so many people (other places) were like, "oh, yay, Cameron is House's friend now, isn't that great that they can be friends and that he can have someone in his life like that?" I was like WTF? He's got Wilson, doesn't he? Like I've said other places, I'm not opposed to House having other friends, so long as they don't somehow diminish Wilson's vital role in House's life. I don't know, I know some people who barely acknowledge Wilson's existence, let alone his importance to the show and to House. That's just a pet peeve of mine.

There are viewers who don't much like Wilson. They don't like what they see as Wilson lecturing to House about his behaviour (which they feel is not his place to do). Harping on an addiction that they don't think House has and manipulating or abandoning House for reasons they don't understand or like. I agree with none of this but accept that is a view that many hold. I think sometimes people prefer characters who most of the time seem more ready to accept House as he is or see him in a more narrow scope as either an intriguing curiosity or valuable resource or both. I think Wilson sees House far beyond that and his ultimate concern is House's life in general and the prospect of him being able to have one that includes a measure of happiness and health. ETA, I don't mind about bashing and everyone is entitle to love or hate whatever character or ship they choose, but I also don't like that people think that I'm unable to see the show from a perfect reasonable POV, without the so called slash goggles and discuss it.Great point Lully Often a cogent opinion on a situation regarding the importance of Wilson to House or House to Wilson can be initially dismissed as shipping when it is completely valid minus all slash and just based solely on the friendship they have.

there was a lot of SQUEE in the 97 secs ep thread when the ILU appeared! True, I forgot about the Epi threads, my bad... I haven't really noticed any hoyay bashing here It's not about bashing. I was talking about when a slasher expresses an opinion about H/W and lot of people immediately see that opinion as being about hoyay and a lot of times it's not. This makes me feel a little like Cameron: "Our opinions shouldn’t be rejected just because we are slashers"... :wink: I don't mind about bashing and everyone is entitle to love or hate whatever character or ship they choose, but I also don't like that people think that I'm unable to see the show from a perfect reasonable POV, without the so called slash goggles and discuss it. ETA: They don't like what they see as Wilson lecturing to House about his behaviour (which they feel is not his plcae to do). Yes, I can see that, too. But don't like Wilson is not the same that completely ignore his existance and the importance of their friendship, being that friendship something positive or negative for the characters.

Is it forbiden to express our joy at something that happened in an episode? Or is it just the gay joy that's frowned upon? No, its not forbidden - just to clarify my comment, it was simply joking re your statement "I don't see any SQUEEEE!!! in others threads, except here and the ILU" - there was a lot of squee & rightly so in that ep thread. And I know that when H-W aired the Chasers were thrilled with the hug & the folks who like Huddy were thrilled as were the Hamerons. Everyone has the right to squee as the occasion arises & if we were to tell one group to stop it, we'd have to tell everyone. And we're not going to do that, we're equal opportunity squee-ers here. There are viewers who don't like Wilson. They don't like what is perceived as his lecturing to House about his behaviour and actions. Very true. And there are viewers who have similar feelings about what they perceive as Cuddy's lecturing & Cameron's too, for that matter. But the expression of the dislike at who ever its directed at IMO does tend to reflect what happened in the most recent episode. My sense is that Wilson doesn't get a disproportionate share & its not because of the "oh, no, the gheys" (& that's based on me hanging out at a lot of different comms & boards). Just MO though.

I think Wilson sees House far beyond that and his ultimate concern is House's life in general and the prospect of him being able to have one that includes a measure of happiness and health. ITA. I can sort of understand disliking Wilson for the reasons you stated but I guess what I don't understand is people acting like Wilson doesn't like or accept House the way he is. It's hard for me to argue this point, only because I can hardly find the right words to describe it. I think Wilson loves House the way he is, in terms of his personality, yes he's not always happy with House but who here likes everything their bff does? The parts about House he "tries to change" are his self-destructive tendencies. Wilson likes House the way he is (or they wouldn't be friends) and I firmly believe that all of Wilson's manipulations and lies are attempts to keep House alive and as happy and healthy as he possibly can be for as long as he possibly can. That's why I'm usually very forgiving of Wilson's faults when it comes to House. Am I making any sense?

It wasn't so much the ep. itself, the ducklings have made bets with him in the past, it was that so many people (other places) were like, "oh, yay, Cameron is House's friend now, isn't that great that they can be friends and that he can have someone in his life like that?" I was like WTF? He's got Wilson, doesn't he? Like I've said other places, I'm not opposed to House having other friends, so long as they don't somehow diminish Wilson's vital role in House's life. I don't know, I know some people who barely acknowledge Wilson's existence, let alone his importance to the show and to House. That's just a pet peeve of mine. Expressions that House is moving away from misanthropy and actually able to relate to more people does not equal anti-HoYay -- at least it doesn't mean anti-HoYay from me. Especially since I see one of Wilson's main motives in life as helping House with his own depressive and self-destructive outlook on his life. To me, what's good for House is also good for Wilson -- and good for House and Wilson together.

Thanks SZ! I feel much better now :) LMC - Perfect sense m'darling, ITA. As apposed to the other characters that maily want House to function in a way that suits them, Wilson is determined to assure House's happiness and health, a sisyphean mission as it is. Poor thing, no wonder he's on AD's. "This is why I take them", he said, gesturing at House, in Resignation

Expressions that House is moving away from misanthropy and actually able to relate to more people does not equal anti-HoYay -- at least it doesn't mean anti-HoYay from me. It's not about being anti-Hoyay to me. I understand that hoyay is not for everyone and not everyone sees it, that's their opinion and a perfectly valid one. It's about them downplaying the importance of their friendship, which (big a slasher as I am) is the most important thing to me. On another note: I do hope the "stupid screwed-up friendship" thread can be used by those of us here who like to see lots of completely platonic House and Wilson, so that we won't have to bother you over here. Doesn't bother me, like I said above, I love H/W in every way, their friendship is amazing and I love it to death, slash or no, they still have the most entertaining and interesting dynamic on the show for me. I'd like to think that even though I ship them, I can still appreciate their friendship without any slashy undertones, like I don't find every interaction they have to be shippy.

LMC you make complete sense and ITA (which is just a happy coincidence :D ) Expressions that House is moving away from misanthropy and actually able to relate to more people does not equal anti-HoYay -- at least it doesn't mean anti-HoYay from me. Especially since I see one of Wilson's main motives in life as helping House with his own depressive and self-destructive outlook on his life. To me, what's good for House is also good for Wilson -- and good for House and Wilson together. Word Namaste! This is part of what Wilson has been encouraging House to do from the beginning. Wilson and House have been friends far too long for any other friendship/relationship to threaten theirs. Now could it mean that they would have to incorporate, more throughly, other people into their lives separately and together? Possibly, yes. This was likely the case when House was with Stacy and at least in the early going of Wilson/3 wives getting together. (ETA: Although they could both be too altered by their unhappy circumstances to go thru relationships like those again.) This may not be every HoYayers ideal (I'm pretty sure it's not mine), but I think we have to see how things play out and remain confident that no matter who or what comes along there will still be House & Wilson striding PPTH's hallways side-by-side...