I'd like to know why Chase was left out of Rowan's will too. The show made a specific reference to it, dagnabit. I'd also like to see something happen that forces Foreman to realize how wrong he was about Chase. Not that he shouldn't have already caught on, at least a bit, but I do believe Foreman is dense.
Does anyone know if it's true that DS said we've learned all we can about the present ducklings? I read that posted somewhere by someone, but I find it hard to believe. We know so little about the Ducklings. Well, I know more about Foreman than I care too, but there's so much hinted at with Chase, and so much we just don't know. I want more scenes with Chase and House this season too. Jesse and Hugh bring it!
saara_zaara- 08-26-2007
Does anyone know if it's true that DS said we've learned all we can about the present ducklings?
Not seen it, not true for me, at any rate (I don't want to learn more about Cameron, but that's a different issue ;D).
Given that it took nearly a year for TPTB to give us a follow up to Rowan's illness (Cursed to Mistake) and then another year to get a follow up on the impact of Kayla's death (Mistake to Family), ditto re Vogler (2 years to the implications that he would rat House out to Tritter) I reckon we'll get tidbits on Chase, oh, around ep 6 or 7 of s4 :lol: j/k - but we will get it, its actually really interesting how the writers sneak in these little bits of Chase's background history now & again.
BTW, sorry if I'm being dumb but it just dawned on me that Cursed besides being a reference to Gabe's illness is also a possible reference to Chase's relationship with Rowan.
Taiga- 08-26-2007
I'd still be discussing him, even if he had Foreman's hair.
Why did you have to put that mental image in my head? WHY????
Chase may seem to do be doing really well and be adjusted now but, don't forget, he's dating Cameron. I don't think the most zen person on earth could keep his cool in these circumstances....
:lol: Maybe his relationship with Cameron will give us more insights into Chase. We've never seen any of the characters in a relationship, after all.
I thought that House fired Chase for exactly the reasons he gave in 'Human Error'. Chase had learned all he could, it was time he left.
I don't want to start a war here, but I don't see any reason for Chase to stay either. He didn't just become a better doctor, he became a House-like doctor with the epiphanies and the observations and the insights into people's behaviour. A mini-House with better hair and a nicer disposition to non-obese patients and co-workers. We have a House on the show, why should we need two? That doesn't add anything. :oops:
I would have liked to learn why he was cut from Daddy Chase's will, though.
I'd also like to see something happen that forces Foreman to realize how wrong he was about Chase.
That would mean Foreman accepting that Chase is as worthy of respect as Foreman is and that Foreman can't use his so-called ghetto background (I can't be the only one who thinks it wasn't as bad as he claims) as justification for being a jerk. In other words, it will never happen.
extra_cat- 08-26-2007
I don't want to start a war here, but I don't see any reason for Chase to stay either. He didn't just become a better doctor, he became a House-like doctor with the epiphanies and the observations and the insights into people's behaviour. A mini-House with better hair and a nicer disposition to non-obese patients and co-workers. We have a House on the show, why should we need two? That doesn't add anything. :oops:
It adds balance. It shows the audience that someone can be an insightful person without being an ass. (Just like Foreman shows that a person can be an ass without being insightful.) Chase's insights to the other characters and to House are expressed differently than House's insights. Also, I liked and would like to see more of the way Chase approaches House like he thinks House is an adult, which is a contrast to the way Wilson and Cuddy try to restrain him like an 8 year old. At the end of The Jerk, Chase let House know that he knew what his game was and what he thought House needed to do if he really wanted Foreman to stay. It was a very stark contrast to the way Wilson and Cuddy try to teach House lessons in humility. Chase is the only one of the fellows who seems like he could really challenge House intellectually (when he has the guts to stand up for himself) and House needs that too.
merlin7- 08-26-2007
Yeppers, that's the truth of it for me. Chase treats House differently. He's really the only one who accepts House AS IS. I want to see more of that relationship. I've had enough of Foreman disagreeing with House, mainly just to disagree. Boring.
Hail the Random- 08-26-2007
Erg. Re: the hair issue. I was watching HE last night and when they did the scan-down onto the Cuban guy(name escapes me) I thought it was Chase at first.
And maybe it IS a good thing that Chase isn't working for House anymore. Maybe now ha can become a bigger doctor that just 'One of the famous Dr. House's underlings."
extra_cat- 08-26-2007
I admit I only care about Chase's career insomuch that I get to see it develop. If TPTB want him to be a better known doctor or even let him go to some other hospital for a while just to show people reacting to him like they think he's crazy as hell for using methods he's learned from House... fine... as long as they show it. I want Chase to be a presence on my screen, not off. I don't want to hear about what he's doing. I want to see it. So if seeing it means his imaginary career gets somewhat stifled so he can continue to work for/with House, fine. I hope that makes sense. LOL
melly- 08-26-2007
So if seeing it means his imaginary career gets somewhat stifled so he can continue to work for/with House, fine. I hope that makes sense
Makes sense. It's no fun if you can't watch it happen, and good as Chase was by the end of S3 there's still plenty of avenues to explore and room to grow.
Actually, I really just like posting after extra_cat, because it always looks like my Ewan avatar is longingly staring up at her Jesse one. :lol:
saara_zaara- 08-26-2007
This discussion kinda connects with what is the nature of the show House - the balance between pure procedure versus how much character driven material the audience wants. Okay, the show is House & how everyone interacts with him, but (& IIRC correctly there's a quote about this somewhere) even if House doesn't change that much over the time span, its rather nice to see how people change around him & not be so static. Given how much the s3 medicine stank, the characters probably did fill a hole for many - & the late s3 Chase fed that.
Chase as simply duplicating House's medical skills - boring. Chase maybe being coaxed back to PPTH (I won't discuss how, spoilerish), House pleased or upset? How does he react if he thinks Chase is infringing on his turf? House's had no real competition so far or is he pleased that he's got less work to do. I also really want to know if Chase is aware that Wilson was Rowan's physician & I'd love to have some great reveal that he was Cuddy's sperm donor (we know it likely wasn't House or Wilson) & what does House think about that? 8)
merlin7- 08-26-2007
I would love it if Cuddy gets pregnant and Chase was the sperm donor. I just really want to see more of Chase and Cuddy. I mean, see Chase and Cuddy scenes, since we never get any. I got a Wilson and Chase scene finally. Hope we get more of those too.
And extra_cat, I totally get what you meant. I want the same thing.
Taiga- 08-26-2007
I also really want to know if Chase is aware that Wilson was Rowan's physician
Me too. I can see him poring over his father's medical records (actually I'd like this even without the Wilson element) and confronting Wilson. Maybe Wilson would tell him something about why Rowan chose to keep his illness a secret from Chase. Then, Wilson being Wilson, we can debate whether or not he told Chase the truth!
ETA In case this isn't clear, I say this because I think it's be a good way to learn more about Chase. Not to see more Wilson.
Ranee- 08-26-2007
ETA In case this isn't clear, I say this because I think it's be a good way to learn more about Chase. Not to see more Wilson.
Works for me, but I find the idea of seeing how Wilson reacts very interesting too. How emotional does Chase get? He's capable of both letting go & bottling it in so which happens? And do we get the rehearsed "this is how you manage the situation" version of Wilson, or something more honest?
aenissesthai- 08-26-2007
Me too. I can see him poring over his father's medical records (actually I'd like this even without the Wilson element) and confronting Wilson. Maybe Wilson would tell him something about why Rowan chose to keep his illness a secret from Chase.How emotional does Chase get? He's capable of both letting go & bottling it in so which happens?
I realize that this is an interesting scenario, but I don't see it ever happening. Wilson did the right thing by not saying anything to Chase about Rowan's cancer; it would be highly unethical for him to do so under New Jersey law, which protects doctor-patient confidentiality, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath.
House, on the other hand, was never Rowan's physician and so wasn't bound by medical ethics to keep quiet. Rowan acknowledged this and asked him to keep the cancer secret from his son anyway.
This is why Chase exploded at House during The Mistake--because he realized that House could've told him and chose not to. On the other hand, Wilson couldn't tell Chase, even if he wanted to, and I don't see Chase (who is extremely tight-lipped about his emotions) yelling at Wilson for doing what he had to do.
Taiga- 08-26-2007
Chase as simply duplicating House's medical skills - boring.
That's what I was trying to say. Take "Informed Consent" as an example. Chase suggested that amyloidosis thing as all the ducklings do, quietly and calmly. Here's a possible diagnosis, this is why I'm putting it out there. Later House comes up with the same diagnosis by staring at a girl's ass. That's House. In the latter half of S3 Chase was getting diagnoses the same way House was. Not by staring at girls' asses but with the Music of Epiphany and the lightbulb going off over his head at a random moment for no apparent reason. That's House's schtick, dammit! I don't want to see any other character doing that. If they do, than House isn't special.
extra_cat- 08-27-2007
I don't want to see any other character doing that. If they do, than House isn't special.
But if somebody doesn't eventually get to that point like Chase did, then House isn't a very good teacher. ;) Isn't that the point of the fellowships? To try to train someone else to make those leaps?