There's definitely something up with Thirteen in this ep. If you notice in one shot of the promo, House stops her on her way out of the bathroom stall! The man may not be known for his respect of another's privacy, but it has to be something big for him to walk in on her like that. I'm wondering if it has something to do with what she saw with Kutner looking at that laptop (presumably Amber's).
I would not mind finding out a mystery about 13 that I didn't see coming (although, quite frankly, I didn't see the bisexuality coming). Go on, TPTB! Shock me!
filex1410- 05-14-2008
On the surface of the promo I would say that 13's emotional response to Amber being critically ill is that she connects to it because what is hovering over her with Huntington's so seeing a woman of her age struck down has to be unsettling for her. I also think she may feel bad that she disliked Amber so much during the competition, although Amber certainly gave her good reason to at times.
Namaste- 05-14-2008
A couple of other thoughts (see why I'm glad this thread exists?). I wonder if we're going to be getting shoutouts back to House's behavior in both "97 Seconds" and "You Don't Want to Know" dealing with how he ignores his own well being just to solve a mystery, and how Wilson disapproved of it then -- and of course he disapproved of House's actions in "HH," only for the irony of potentially asking House to do something risky for Amber.
And along those same lines, if Wilson doesn't want House to do whatever it is, but House still does, will this come back to what Amber told Wilson in "Living the Dream" in which she said he has to take care of himself? Will Wilson for his own emotional protection seek to put some barrier between himself and the risk loving House?
filex1410- 05-14-2008
Namaste I think one of those two scenrios is likely to be crux of the threat to H/W.
For someone who has repeatedly risked his life for what at times seemed like meaningless and/or unattainable knowledge, why not do it now to agian solve the puzzle and hopefully to save the love of the person that he loves. But if Wilson doesn't encourage him to do it or warns him not to could it be one risk too many of House's for Wilson to have to handle, especially while watching Amber suffer through no fault of her own. It could force Wilson to detach from House in future.
Alternatively Wilson has spent so much time over the years trying to get House to take care of himself and confronting him on it when he hasn't that to now have to ask him to take a hugh risk will likely twist him up inside, but feeling that it is Amber's only hope he thinks he has to do it to get her any chance at all. Although if this happens and no matter what the outcome I can't see Wilson being anything but grateful for House doing it and wanting to protect House more than ever in the future.
travin1- 05-14-2008
I've often wondered what would make House cry...and in the promo, he clearly is in the halo thingy (and possibly when he replies "you want me to risk my life for Amber"...paraphrasing here).
I'm wondering if the crying bit happens before or after his surgery. At first I thought maybe it was due to his remembering something that he wished he hadn't done but now I'm wondering if Wilson walks away from him, is done kind of thing. Would House cry over losing Wilson? I don't think it would be due to pain, don't know why, I just don't think so.
filex1410- 05-14-2008
After thought on the H/W risk scenerios. If Wilson does ask House to chance his health and life to save Amber again no matter what the outcome, House may feel that for the first time Wilson no longer has his best interest at heart. House may feel betrayed by Wilson who ask his best and only friend of 12 - 20 years (MMV) to jeopardize himself to save a woman that while Wilson loves her he has only been with for 3 - 4 months and based on his relationship experience could be over with in a year or two. Then House could be the one to move away from Wilson.
I'm wondering if the crying bit happens before or after his surgery. At first I thought maybe it was due to his remembering something that he wished he hadn't done but now I'm wondering if Wilson walks away from him, is done kind of thing. Would House cry over losing Wilson? I don't think it would be due to pain, don't know why, I just don't think so.
If House is having that procedure even in part to help Amber than I don't think Wilson would walk away.
But if it is already too late to help Amber and House refused the procedure earlier but now has to have it and in doing so does access the clue that could have benefited Amber that could be the reason for the tear.
Wilson may have already walked away because of House's refusal to do this earlier. Or Wilson didn't ask House to do it but when House, in order to explain what happened to Amber, let's Wilson know that he did figure it out with the help of the surgery but coming too late then Wilson walks at that point disappointed and angry that House wouldn't have taken that risk on his own when it would have mattered more.
Bedawyn- 05-14-2008
I don't think they're going the pregnancy route, because it would be too soap-opera-ish, and it would be overkill to have her injured and pregnant and with a mystery disease. But the thought did cross my mind too -- it's not an insane idea. Notice also that the fly in the ointment is literally a fly in amber; either a deadly disease or a pregnancy would work, and I think a pregnancy almost works better.
Thanks for pointing out the champagne! I noticed the amber color of it before and thought it was just a sign that she had been in the bar with him, and he was just drinking it because she'd left it there. (It wasn't directly in front of him, but closer to where Chase was sitting; he had to reach for it.) But it didn't click with me as champagne instead of random wine. Neither she nor House would have been drinking champagne without a reason.
I do think the red ribbon will turn out to be significant somehow. The color alone I could let pass, but it was just too obviously a _ribbon_ in the dream scene as opposed to a scarf.
2) In the Marykir's screencap no 47 of the preview, who is the girl who seems to have a similar thigh injury like Amber, but her hair is black/brown.
Where are these caps? I'm constantly hearing Marykir's name but don't actually follow whoever she is.
I agree that House feels some slight concern for Amber, but only in the sense that he does for all of "his people", and she did stay around long enough to become one of them (remember his telling Cuddy "they both do"). I don't think he hates her at all, only the possibility of her taking Wilson from him. But I can't buy that face-caressing scene as meaning he feels anything more than that for her, mainly because I don't buy The Answer as a simple stand-in for Amber the person as opposed to a more abstract metaphor.
filex1410- 05-14-2008
Where are these caps? I'm constantly hearing Marykir's name but don't actually follow whoever she is.
Here is a link to the current promo clip and screencaps Bedawyn. The fabulous marykir usually posts the link for the current promo in the Spoiler Only thread a few hours after each epiosde airs, although next week will be that last time that happens until the fall. :cry:
http://www.marykir.com/hl/house/s4promos9.htm#prev12May
wayside- 05-14-2008
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2) In the Marykir's screencap no 47 of the preview, who is the girl who seems to have a similar thigh injury like Amber, but her hair is black/brown.
I think its my mistake. I guess in the photo the hair looks darker, its Amber only. Somebody can confirm this.
Shutterbug12 wrote-
I also think red has a symbolic significance. Things like that don't happen randomly. I think that, because of the red scarf and the entire experience of the accident, House's subconscious associates that color with Amber now.
I agree with this. The red blanket thingy is strange.
ggo85- 05-14-2008
I'll jump into the promo-only spec feet first. . .
There are several key questions from part 1:
(1) Why are Amber and House in the bar together -- after work, at a bar that House doesn't know, and with House drinking shots to beer to champagne?
I agree with those who think Amber asked to talk to House and also agree with those who think it involves a medical issue (vs. an affair). The reason I agree an affair is a red herring is I can't see why Amber would do it. Even if House would (and that's a bit of a stretch, even for him), I see no reason for her to do it unless she was two-timing Wilson from the get-go and that's bordering on pathological. As for the drinks, I didn't consider that champagne might be celebratory (although I did catch it was champagne b/c I love to drink it myself). I thought the variety of drinks could be mental confusion.
(2) Why did they take a bus and where are they taking it?
This one really stumps me. Even if we assume they were both drunk, most normal people call a CAB. Most cabs take credit cards (in case you don't have cash) and a bartender will usually pay for a cab for a drunk so as to keep him off the roads. My best guess is that a bus is a better plot device than a cab. No more, no less.
As to where they are going . . . anyone's guess. But, the writers are cheating a bit b/c the busdriver and/or some of the passengers would remember House & Amber boarding b/c they don't look like most bus passengers and probably would have paid cash vs. using a pass or token like regular riders. They'd know where the bus originated, more or less where House & Amber got on, and where the bus was going. Having this info would help because I have no clue where they were going. Together. On a bus. At 9 p.m. on a worknight.
(3) What is wrong with Amber?
At the end of part 1, I believe House says of Amber "she's the one who is dying." And I don't think he was referring to her injury alone. Most people having seen her taken away by medical personnel would have said, "she was hurt badly," "she WAS dying," "she looked like she was dying," or words to that effect. "IS dying" suggests an ongoing condition. This is supported by the promo spoiler in which someone says that her condition is unrelated to her injury.
And, from the promos for part 2, we wonder:
(1) Does Wilson really ask House to risk his life for Amber?
We see House ask someone "are you asking me to . . ." and then there is a cut to Wilson nodding. But we don't know that those scenes are connected and TPTB have messed with our minds this way before. I think someone else has asked the question.
(2) What is the risky procedure?
My guess is that it's something to do with jogging his memory so he can remember what is wrong with Amber and thus help her not that the procedure per se will help her.
I think/hope the House/Amber seduction is a red herring. But then what appears to upset Wilson so much? Hmm.
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
I think/hope the House/Amber seduction is a red herring. But then what appears to upset Wilson so much?
At what point? Wilson doesn't look upset for any other reason than Amber is dying in the promo. Maybe the "why were you with her?" but I think that's said in the ambulance which has to be pretty close to the beginning when it's all sinking in for him.
I think someone else has asked the question.
So do I, I said in the spoiler spec. thread that I can easily see Kutner telling House about the idea for the procedure because it's a good idea and he might not have even considered the risk to House until House's line is said, I can just see him being proud to come up with the idea. I can also see Chase and Foreman suggesting it, but in a calmer, more aware of the risks kind of way.
Even if it's not Wilson that asks, I'm guessing he goes along with it, as I think that's him assisting Chase at the end of the promo, of course maybe House just made up his mind and the only thing Wilson can do is be there. But if Wilson is all for House risking his life for Amber, I think it will really hurt House.
bailey- 05-14-2008
I think/hope the House/Amber seduction is a red herring. But then what appears to upset Wilson so much? Hmm.
I'm going back to my own theory that Amber was perhaps pregnant--she may not have even known--and that the crash caused her to lose the pregnancy. In the promo Wilson is crying and hugging Cuddy? I think? If that's the case, it's possible that a lost pregnancy is the cause and it would harken back to Wilson/Cuddy's previous conversation in Finding Judas where Cuddy disclosed to Wilson she'd been trying to conceive and failed. I think killing Amber off at this point is also a red herring.
jpanda- 05-14-2008
I'm going back to my own theory that Amber was perhaps pregnant--she may not have even known--and that the crash caused her to lose the pregnancy. In the promo Wilson is crying and hugging Cuddy? I think? If that's the case, it's possible that a lost pregnancy is the cause and it would harken back to Wilson/Cuddy's previous conversation in Finding Judas where Cuddy disclosed to Wilson she'd been trying to conceive and failed. I think killing Amber off at this point is also a red herring.
yeah i think that was cuddy, looks like her shirt. i have a similar feeling that it could be pregnancy related
by the way, what do you mean by red herring?
LightMyCandle- 05-14-2008
I'm going back to my own theory that Amber was perhaps pregnant--she may not have even known--and that the crash caused her to lose the pregnancy.
You know, I think that's the theory I like the best, I don't think it's going overboard or being too soapish because we didn't know. If they had already known and were planning on it and then she lost the baby, I think that (while certainly tragic) would be a little overboard. But if they didn't know, or at least Wilson didn't know, I think that adds another level of tragedy without overdoing it, YMMV.
I don't think killing Amber is a red herring though (no actual spoiler, just my feelings) because I just don't see how it would work to keep her around, it's not as if House would take care of her while she recovered, so it would be about Wilson and take focus off House, again YMMV.
Namaste- 05-14-2008
If Amber was pregnant, I can see her tracking down and sounding out House because she was afraid Wilson would freak and she wants advice on how to give the news to Wilson. (Particularly if the whole "baby" issue hadn't come up between them prior to this.)
Granted most people would probably just have a discussion with their significant other, but Amber is a person who likes to have a complete battle plan ready for action complete with retreat options (like the way she didn't quit her previous job while competing for a spot with House).