Finale Promo Discussion/Spec NO OTHER SPOILERS Hello people -
By popular request, this is a place where you can discuss the finale promo, but please, no other spoilers here.
I guess this is for the mid-range spoiled - those who want to remain mostly spoiler free but have seen the promo and are desperate to discuss it.
So here you go - a special thread just for you!
Don't ever say we don't love you. ;-)
Namaste- 05-13-2008
Thanks, and we love you guys too.
So my question is this ... if "House's Head" played with this year's theme of illusion v. reality, what themes also from this season could the second half play with? We've got House asking Wilson if Wilson wants him to risk his life to save Amber, so I'm wondering if issues of faith and betrayal will come into play (echoing Stark's faith that the next life will be better, the religious faith of the Jewish couple, etc.). Will it test House's faith in his own abilities? Wilson's belief in House? His belief that Amber can, as she said, take care of herself? Cuddy's belief that it's worth House taking a risk for that 5 percent of patients who would benefit?
Or is it more about change or the lack of change?
Taiga- 05-13-2008
Great idea for a thread, but is the formal episode description from Fox also considered a spoiler here? I'm guessing yes?
For the record, I'm convinced House did not have an affair with Amber. The reason they ended up on the bus together will be crucial, though, and likely will be the answer to the medical mystery.
IRT The part where Wilson seems to ask House to risk his life to save Amber, I'm not sure this is exactly how it will play out. I wouldn't think it outrageous if Wilson ask that of House under certain circumstances, geez just think if the times House has not asked but demanded Wilson risk his job, career and freedom for him, but I think the preview is manipulating us. House is the master at coming up with ways to risk his life, and Wilson is the one who always tries to stop him. Just Wilson going along with it, or even encouraging it, is shocking enough without Wilson devising a method all by himself. I also don't think House would be that angry even if Wilson DID come up with the idea, as we saw this episode how desperate he was to find the answer himself.
I'm thinking maybe Amber went to House for a diagnosis because she realized she was sick, but given her feelings for House she'd have to be pretty far gone to do that - surely someone else would have noticed she was ill. It seems unlikely.
House did seem to care about her on that bus, maybe they'd reached a truce but nobody will believe House when he says that?
We may learn a lot about Wilson's faith in House here, that like 'House's Head' was a glimpse into House's mind then 'Wilson's Heart' will be a look into, well, Wilson's heart.
Bedawyn- 05-13-2008
Thanks so much! I didn't request it, but only because it didn't occur to me to ask. I try to stay away from spoiler threads, but I'm also one of those who considers the "next-week-on" promo to be part of aired canon, so it drives me bonkers not to be able to discuss it without risking running into "real" spoilers.
I whited this out in the other thread, but I suspect the risking-House's-life issue will be the one that tests their friendship. I don't see how House can win that one: if he initially refuses, Wilson can claim he doesn't care about Wilson's happiness; if he agrees too readily, Wilson can use it as "proof" that he has inappropriate feelings for Amber. I've just seen too many instances of Wilson misinterpreting House's inner world to trust that he'd interpret it correctly this time.
travin1- 05-13-2008
Themes...I think one that's been running all season is people aren't always who they appear to be (or are basically hiding something). It started with the first episode and the switch up of the two patients, they hinted at it with the secrecy surrounding the CIA patient, Foreman thought he was miserable and decided he was actually okay, 13 hid a possible Huntington's (plus we only just learned her last name), House again faked an illness, and even Wilson to a certain extent doing what he thinks Amber wants...but she calls him on it with the mattress bit. There was also the potw in NMMNG, the woman who hid the info of her daughter's birth (kid with broken arm epi...sorry, I can't remember all the titles), and the guy who couldn't remember his identity because of pig dung. Even Taub...hiding things from his wife to the point that he had to change his career. The woman in the airforce was hiding her condition from the airforce to keep flying. I'm sure there are others too.
I have to wonder if Amber isn't who she appears...either she's not a cutthroat bitch, or she is and she's hiding something from Wilson that's pretty shady.
Boffle- 05-13-2008
OK, this is based on nothing but my fervid imagination and the way Amber looked and acted, likely lots of problems, but thought I'd see if anyone has a response to this scenario.
One thing that struck me about how Amber was photographed was that she looked especially calm and sweet, then there's the halo of hair when the bus hits. Sort of like a madonna. (We've seen them photograph House in numerous Christ-like positions). Seems to me she might have told Wilson she was pregnant and when he told House, that made House realise he is definitely losing his friend at least in the sense that they used to be. So House is hurt, leaves, gets drunk, maybe calls Amber to yell at her. She comes down to the bar to meet him, calm him down, maybe reassure him. The bartender takes his keys, he gets on the bus. Amber follows him on the bus to make sure he gets home ok, he won't talk to her, but then notices something. Not only is she pregnant, she has some symptom that means she is dying, and if she dies, so does the baby, Wilson's baby. And since he owes her his life, he realizes he has to save her. That it's Amber makes it important, that there's a child might make him risk his life.
Of course, maybe this is too Passions, after all. I just want Monday...
travin1- 05-13-2008
OK, this is based on nothing but my fervid imagination and the way Amber looked and acted, likely lots of problems, but thought I'd see if anyone has a response to this scenario.
One thing that struck me about how Amber was photographed was that she looked especially calm and sweet, then there's the halo of hair when the bus hits. Sort of like a madonna. (We've seen them photograph House in numerous Christ-like positions). Seems to me she might have told Wilson she was pregnant and when he told House, that made House realise he is definitely losing his friend at least in the sense that they used to be. So House is hurt, leaves, gets drunk, maybe calls Amber to yell at her. She comes down to the bar to meet him, calm him down, maybe reassure him. The bartender takes his keys, he gets on the bus. Amber follows him on the bus to make sure he gets home ok, he won't talk to her, but then notices something. Not only is she pregnant, she has some symptom that means she is dying, and if she dies, so does the baby, Wilson's baby. And since he owes her his life, he realizes he has to save her. That it's Amber makes it important, that there's a child might make him risk his life.
Of course, maybe this is too Passions, after all. I just want Monday...
I've wondered about a pregnancy too but couldn't get around how it might work. This idea...wow. Ya, I could see it, especially the bit about why House was drinking, thinking he was losing Wilson to a baby and Amber.
wayside- 05-13-2008
Hi, I wanted to state four points based on House's Head and the promo.
1) When the girl in black appeared in House's dream in his house, the way she took House's hand to caress her face may show the fact the somehow House developed feelings of affection for Amber. Also their interactions during the final scenes suggest that.
2) In the Marykir's screencap no 47 of the preview, who is the girl who seems to have a similar thigh injury like Amber, but her hair is black/brown.
3) In the promo when amber is almost kissing House( which seems to be a dream/hallucination), she is wearing a red jacket. Also in some caps there is a red blanket at the foot of her bed. The red color might have some significance. Also along with this, the presence of the red ribbon/scarf in the previous episode indicates clever use of red color in House's dreams in relation to his feelings for Amber.
4) In the bar scene in House's Head, at first House is drinking liquor/beer which changes to champagne. The presence of celebratory drink might also be significant.
jonne- 05-13-2008
Wow, my wish is your command :wink: . Thanks, mods!. Now I'll have to summon up all my strength not to go to the spoilers thread :D .
I brought up the pregnancy idea yesterday, because House was drinking champagne in the bar, but I'd rather they wouldn't do that. The scene between House and Amber is definitely a dream/hallucination scene, as Elompanti has pointed out. So much more to think about, but I'm at work, so I'll be back.....
ETA: OK, this popped up in my mind, so before I forget about it... What about the red ribbon? It's a symbol to do with HIV, and of drugsprevention Google tells me. Could either be significant? House does mention drugs on the white board.
shutterbug12- 05-14-2008
Hi, I wanted to state four points based on House's Head and the promo.
1) When the girl in black appeared in House's dream in his house, the way she took House's hand to caress her face may show the fact the somehow House developed feelings of affection for Amber. Also their interactions during the final scenes suggest that.
3) In the promo when amber is almost kissing House( which seems to be a dream/hallucination), she is wearing a red jacket. Also in some caps there is a red blanket at the foot of her bed. The red color might have some significance. Also along with this, the presence of the red ribbon/scarf in the previous episode indicates clever use of red color in House's dreams in relation to his feelings for Amber.
4) In the bar scene in House's Head, at first House is drinking liquor/beer which changes to champagne. The presence of celebratory drink might also be significant.
I was thinking the same thing myself in regards to the first one. I tend to believe he feels some kind of affection for her--it may not necessarily be romantic affection--but I think his feelings about her have changed recently.
I also think red has a symbolic significance. Things like that don't happen randomly. I think that, because of the red scarf and the entire experience of the accident, House's subconscious associates that color with Amber now.
Champagne is definitely not a drink that someone consumes alone.
I am so excited and curious to have all the big questions answered. I just want to hibernate until Monday.
blue- 05-14-2008
I agree with those who think she's pregnant. Good catch on the champagne - I thought it was just wine in a funny glass.
I could definitely see this as something House would keep from Wilson, especially if Amber asked him to, and if it might impact her treatment. I could also see this being the thing that comes between H and W. I can imagine House even letting Wilson believe he'd had an affair with her in order to keep the secret.
All spec, of course, most likely totally wrong.
edit: it could also explain why House was following her - what if he did notice something 'wrong' with her?
fffaw- 05-14-2008
CB39DQ posted this in a new thread. I've moved it here, where it belongs.
Why House Crys
Here's my theory.
Although House says “hope is for sissies”, he doesn’t contradict 13 when she tells him “when you run out of questions you run out of hope”
Amber has something terminal; the Dark Victory reference in DEC, Amber’s bad day in NMMNG, and her asking Wilson to take care of himself in LTD hint at his.
House wants to find out what Amber does on Wednesday nights. He finds that the answer to his question is that Amber’s dying and that it’s certain. Amber asks House to help her, to spare Wilson as House did when he asked fo.r her help in 97 seconds, (this is the betrayal that probably appears as a sexual betrayal in his dreams). House cannot solve any puzzle, answer any question, to make things right, and he know Wilson’s heart will break
Namaste- 05-14-2008
I do think that the possibility of House and Amber having an affair was a red herring (and since it was suggested by Taub, that's the likely place he'd go). Personally, I think the presence of champagne might have more to do with Amber having told House she plans to ask Wilson to marry her -- because that's very her style -- she wants something and she goes for it -- but in the way that men once asked a girl's father for permission (or to warn him) she seeks out House first. The progression of drinks could also allude to House's acceptance of the idea. IIRC, didn't it go from liquor to beer to champagne?
I'm also resigned to the idea that perhaps we'll never fully know what happened. Maybe whatever procedure that House attempts -- because everything else to access memories beyond the actual crash has failed -- permanently locks away those memories. So both House and Wilson (assuming that Amber dies) have to live forever with never knowing what happened and have only their suspicions and faith to go on. And Amber would, in a sense, become House's new "Esther" -- the case he can never solve.
Also this: One of the more common complications of temporal bone fracture (it was the temporal bone that House fractured, wasn't it?) is hearing loss. Not that they'd go there, but still ...
cindylouwho- 05-14-2008
I do think that the possibility of House and Amber having an affair was a red herring (and since it was suggested by Taub, that's the likely place he'd go). Personally, I think the presence of champagne might have more to do with Amber having told House she plans to ask Wilson to marry her -- because that's very her style -- she wants something and she goes for it -- but in the way that men once asked a girl's father for permission (or to warn him) she seeks out House first. The progression of drinks could also allude to House's acceptance of the idea. IIRC, didn't it go from liquor to beer to champagne?
I'm also resigned to the idea that perhaps we'll never fully know what happened. Maybe whatever procedure that House attempts -- because everything else to access memories beyond the actual crash has failed -- permanently locks away those memories. So both House and Wilson (assuming that Amber dies) have to live forever with never knowing what happened and have only their suspicions and faith to go on. And Amber would, in a sense, become House's new "Esther" -- the case he can never solve.
Also this: One of the more common complications of temporal bone fracture (it was the temporal bone that House fractured, wasn't it?) is hearing loss. Not that they'd go there, but still ...
Pregnancy is more of a logical choice IMO. I can't see Amber asking Wilson to marry her, right after she told him to take care of himself, to make choices for himself. If she did that, she may as well get used to being ex-Mrs. Wilson #4 b/c there wasn't enough time for him to "break the pattern," UNLESS she is that concerned about Wilson choosing House over her. And that she thinks marriage will make her bond stronger than the one Wilson has with House.
I am sure the champagne/red is significant but I can't make heads or tails out of it.
Perhaps we may never know, Namaste and I would agree Amber would be the next Esther.
jonne- 05-14-2008
There's a lot of focus on 13 these episodes, including the promo. What if it's not 13 but Amber who has Huntingtons and 13 knew about that? She got really angry at House about the tests, which made him throw away the results.
Or maybe not Huntington's, which is not dramatic enough for one episode because it does not deteriorate quickly enough, but someting like that. Perhaps finally some real mystery about 13 will be revealed. I would like that!