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fffaw- 03-15-2010

Mod Note: And radiosweetheart, god you're rude. I wasn't beating a dead horse, I was simply trying to clarify my point as it got multiple responses. Are we not allowed to criticize Wilson here? Radiosweetheart is a moderator here and she calls it as she sees it.. More than one moderator here thought you were beating a dead horse. Of course you can criticize Wilson here. That's not the problem. Your use of dismissive and rude language about people who liked the scene moved it from clarifying your point to denigrating other fans and since no amount of repeating your opinion is going to change the opinions of other people, it's beating a dead horse. I'll tell you what. We'll agree to this - some people liked the scene, others did not. Let's leave it at that. Everyone please move on from this. Thanks.

alias_smith- 03-15-2010

Are we not allowed to criticize Wilson here? I believe the moderators recently pointed out that all points of view on any character are welcome here. I just read that there is no new episode for two weeks and another site said it will be a month. Perhaps that is why there are these lighter episodes right now - it is hard to start building something and then take a long break.

Namaste- 03-15-2010

I liked the scene with Cuddy because it permanently establishes that she knows about Wilson buying the condo, and she's not holding a grudge. (Though good on her for getting Wilson's guard up by asking: "For Amber's place?" as if she didn't already know. Hee.) We saw that with her telling Lucas she was fine with it, now it's an open issue with Wilson -- and by extension House -- as well.

angelcat2865- 03-15-2010

I enjoyed the episode myself Yes, it was definitely an liter episode, but I feel like it is beginning to set up some of the heavier things that are sure to come. House is still looking for answers and he is not not liking the ones he is getting. He really wants to believe he can change, but all around he sees reminders of his belief that people really don't change. I thought the writers were able to catch this well without being to heavy-handed about it

piffle- 03-15-2010

Once again I'm sorry if anyone felt insulted as a fan. I didn't mean the term "fanatic" to come off as derogatory and I can't speak to how the entire viewership feels about Wilson, I was only expressing my assumptions. I consider myself a House fanatic, so again no offense intended. Perhaps if I hadn't used certain words we could have discussed this further, but I'm glad/surprised to see that so many viewers found the furniture storyline organic to the show and true to Wilson's development, on this board at least. In the spirit of moving on, why is it always the dad on this show? So was House okay with daddy sleeping with his son's gf b/c she was legal or is he just immune to this kinda perviness and patting the daddy on the shoulder was just symbolic of his w/e mentality?

Poeia- 03-15-2010

I don't think House was okay with it at all. He cornered the guy into admitting it in front of his son and the girl's mother. If he didn't want to hang the guy out to dry, he would have taken him aside once they came out of the room. I thought the clapping the guy on the shoulder was rubbing it in rather than congratulating him.

piffle- 03-15-2010

If he didn't want to hang the guy out to dry, he would have taken him aside once they came out of the room. Good point. But then again, House is hugely confrontational and loves to create drama regardless of what he believes so I'm not entirely convinced. I still wonder if he would have slept with Ali in Lines in the Sand if she was 18. At least it felt like the writers wanted us to wonder.

fffaw- 03-15-2010

House has historically been the first to suspect abuse and he's usually right. He's quite aggressive about his suspicions actually. I definitely think he wasn't okay with it. He was twisting the knife by letting the girl's mother and the guy's son know. I think House can be somewhat relaxed in some ways, but this is definitely one area where he doesn't cut any slack.

Poeia- 03-15-2010

If he didn't want to hang the guy out to dry, he would have taken him aside once they came out of the room. Good point. But then again, House is hugely confrontational and loves to create drama regardless of what he believes so I'm not entirely convinced. I still wonder if he would have slept with Ali in Lines in the Sand if she was 18. At least it felt like the writers wanted us to wonder. Moving to the Greg House thread for my answer.

angelcat2865- 03-15-2010

In the spirit of moving on, why is it always the dad on this show? So was House okay with daddy sleeping with his son's gf b/c she was legal or is he just immune to this kinda perviness and patting the daddy on the shoulder was just symbolic of his w/e mentality? I don't think House was ok with it, which is why he so much enjoyed the discomfort he caused the bf's dad by making him confess to his son what he had done. House knew the dad would face consequences with his son when he reviled the truth and may have felt that was punishment enough, esp since legally there would be none.

piffle- 03-15-2010

I thought the clapping the guy on the shoulder was rubbing it in rather than congratulating him. I now think you're right. I think it just came off as a congratulatory pat b/c I wasn't paying close attention.

Bea- 03-15-2010

Like, seriously, dude, if you can match your tie to your shirt, you can buy a coffee table. but after we saw him going to Cuddy for help and treating it as a serious/legitimate problem it was just overkill and not believable. I don't think Wilson's actually incapable of choosing furniture he likes. I think it was simply House teasing and pressuring Wilson so much, that suddenly Wilson's choice in furniture was elevated to a disproportionate significance, which often tends to inhibit people in their decision making. And I loved that scene in Cuddy's office, because of Cuddy's dry assessment of the situation ;). Oh, and by buying that organ, Wilson did kind of acknowledge Cuddy's point concerning House's influence on his decisions, no? And that whole scene with the organ...*sigh* ;). I absolutely adored RSL's facial expressions: first that expectant look, like he's almost nervous how House is going to react, and then, after House told him that he likes what the organ says about Wilson, instead of an open-hearted grin, we get a rather wistful and subtle smile, that turns into a very meaningful look in the end ;). And House genuinely smiling like that, what more can we ask for? ETA: What's interesting, House smiling in the end reminded me of the way he looked in the beginning of ep 5x24, when he woke up happy and smiling, thinking that he got together with Cuddy...

Boffle- 03-15-2010

Loved the smiles, and House playing his organ. (I'm 12) And what's so wrong with Wilson being who he really is is someone who only feels comfortable when he's making someone else happy? Also thought we're missing something about this episode, some seeds are being planted amidst the usual: the bad dad we've seen before and the H/W fun. Love Taub, but that ring he gave his wife was too much, then the moments with the blonde nurse kind of chilled me. As House has been getting better at trusting people and being a little happier, he sees that Taub just lied right to his face, hasn't changed a bit, possibly undermining his own fragile hope that people (and he himself) can change. House is trying to change, to stay changed, but the more he sees that the people around him aren't/can't change (Taub, Foreman, Wilson, eta l) it's possible he will start to lose hope in his own ability to stay with his new self. I so much don't want him to backslide or find out that he's been on vicodin this whole time, but I'm afraid the other shoe is going to have to drop. Black Hole: yes it refers to her hallucinations, but maybe there's also a parallel with what's going on the show. It seems such a dark and dramatic image for what was really going on with her. What is the black hole and what is it dragging into oblivion?

angelcat2865- 03-15-2010

Black Hole: yes it refers to her hallucinations, but maybe there's also a parallel with what's going on the show. It seems such a dark and dramatic image for what was really going on with her. What is the black hole and what is it dragging into oblivion? I am afraid that House (or at least his hopes for change) is the one being drug into the black hole.

idonmatrix- 03-15-2010

My, my, my. Loved the Wilson and House/Wilson. I need a Wilson icon of Wilson sitting and laying in a donut hole. Wilson shopping is priceless. That last H/W scene - Wilson was wearing the same expression in the closing scene of House v. God. The looks the two exchanged were glorious. But at the same time, House broke my heart. And what it says about Wilson is that he really loves House and House is his superhero. House playing the organ. O! my!! loved it :) This episode felt like foreshadowing of the dark side. I wonder if Wilson bought the organ for House to help with the pain.