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Anonyme- 05-16-2009

After watching the episode again (and I wonder why- I still did not get over the first visions!) there are still parts I don't clearly get : why is Wilson telling House to "go terrorize" Cuddy? Is it part of the hallucination? And is House happy all along due to his actual insane state, or is it related to his recollection of the Cuddy lovemaking? The singing, the smile, I remember him the same way in Need to Know after he slept with Stacy. Are we supposed to think it is his afterglow pattern, or is a smiling House an insane one?

Namaste- 05-16-2009

Wilson's comments to "terrorize" Cuddy, along with his statements throughout the episode, back up his comment that he believed that the romantic endorphins were what was getting House through. He was encouraging House because House in a good mood was helping him with what he believed was coming off of Vicodin and dealing with the pain. That's right in line with Wilson's standard operating plan of encouraging House's more positive actions (and while for a normal person, "terrorize" wouldn't be a romantic endeavor for House -- and by extension Cuddy -- it's normal behavior. They weren't involved in a traditional romance, so traditional advice wouldn't cut it). As to why House was happy? Because he believed the delusion. It makes absolutely sense that he'd follow the same pattern of behavior after what he thought was the next step with Cuddy as he did with Stacy. So his belief in the delusion was insanity, but his reaction wasn't insane.

Taiga- 05-16-2009

I think Cuddy thought House was revealing their past one night of sex. I don't think Cuddy thought House was talking about anything in the present. Two years ago, in Top Secret, House said that Cuddy gave him everything he wanted when she hired him because one night he gave her everything she... Therefore, the one time they did have sex was before House started working at PPTH. In Control House said he had been through 5 regime changes at PPTH. Even if those 5 changes had happened in one year, he has been working at PPTH for at least 6 years and slept with Cuddy at some point before that. So, Cuddy and House slept together 6+ years ago. They've seen each other almost daily since. "Today" House asked if she thinks the two of them should move in together and he announced to the hospital that they have slept together. He then had a complete breakdown in her office resulting in her bringing him to Wilson so that Wilson could get him admitted in a psychiatric hospital. And you think Cuddy assumed he was referring to one night, more than half a decade ago? Hmmm . . . most people recall people they've had sex with. And since Cuddy has been pining for House all these years, I'm pretty she'd remember their sexing, which may be why she's been pining for him all these years. The point is House and Cuddy had sex. From Cuddy's perspective, what House was revealing was not when they had sex but that they had sex. House was telling the truth which is why Cuddy was pissed off not that House was lying because he wasn't. She was angry because he revealed the sexing. Didn't House say that the sex had happened "last night"?

maya- 05-16-2009

I can’t see House telling Cuddy about having hallucinated sex with her. And I don’t see Wilson telling her about it, either, because I am not sure what purpose it would serve other than to embarrass both House and her. In any case, I am sure she’s going to infer that he hallucinated sex with her on her own. Too many clues – the remarks about barns and role playing, the question about whether she was freaking out over last night, the announcement that they had sex, the question about whether they should move in with each other, the question about her lipstick and finally, his statement that he had told her he needed her and that she had helped him. Pretty easy to piece them together and figure it out. At the time he announced that they had sex, she assumed he was referring to the sex they had many years back and got mad about it. But now she has a different and even more painful perspective on it. And poeia, thanks for the correction about the episode name.

60 plus- 05-16-2009

Didn't House say that the sex had happened "last night"? Not on the balcony. I believe Cuddy thought he was referring to the "one night I gave you everything you wanted..." At that point, he hadn't said they should move in together and had not had the complete breakdown in her office. Even at the end in Cuddy's office, the reference was to "the other night." The first time I watched BSN, I thought everything happened in one day. But if you look at the clothing changes--it's easy to see Wilson's ties, for example--it might have been three days. At the end, even though Wilson's wearing a coat, the bits of the tie and shirt that you can see seem to be the same as when Cuddy brought House to his office. TPTB had to cover a lot in very little time, but it would be interesting to know what House did during the times not shown. Fan fic, anyone?

DOB1234- 05-17-2009

I don't think anyone here has posted these photos from the finale, which have photographer's marks on them but are still fun to see. There are a bunch of pictures of scenes from the wedding that didn't make it into the episode. They made them go through the whole bit - the rice throwing, cutting the wedding cake, etc. I still think that had to be weird for them. There are also a few nice pics with a different view of that last scene with House and Wilson. Wish I could get some unmarked versions of these. Has anyone seen these pics elsewhere? http://community.livejournal.com/house_spoiler/76019.html#cutid1

zumi- 05-18-2009

I don't think anyone here has posted these photos from the finale, which have photographer's marks on them but are still fun to see. There are a bunch of pictures of scenes from the wedding that didn't make it into the episode. They made them go through the whole bit - the rice throwing, cutting the wedding cake, etc. I still think that had to be weird for them. There are also a few nice pics with a different view of that last scene with House and Wilson. Wish I could get some unmarked versions of these. Has anyone seen these pics elsewhere? http://community.livejournal.com/house_spoiler/76019.html#cutid1 DOB1234, I saw many of those photos unmarked in House is Right!(May 14, 15) Whenever I see these photos of the scenes cut by the editing, I really feel like watching them all included in the episode. (2 hours of House, loose and laid-back. :D)

DOB1234- 05-18-2009

Thanks so much Zumi.

rincewindy13- 05-18-2009

Soophelia posted HQ versions of the H/W pictures here: http://community.livejournal.com/house_wilson/3394916.html

granamica- 05-18-2009

Can I just say that this finale has left me waiting with baited breath for next season. I have been pretty happy to go down the rabbit holes that the writers have taken us down. I just sit back and enjoy the ride, not knowing until the end what signs were has been intrigueing. This show doesn't disappoint.

idonmatrix- 05-18-2009

I think Cuddy thought House was revealing their past one night of sex. I don't think Cuddy thought House was talking about anything in the present. Two years ago, in Top Secret, House said that Cuddy gave him everything he wanted when she hired him because one night he gave her everything she... Therefore, the one time they did have sex was before House started working at PPTH. In Control House said he had been through 5 regime changes at PPTH. Even if those 5 changes had happened in one year, he has been working at PPTH for at least 6 years and slept with Cuddy at some point before that. So, Cuddy and House slept together 6+ years ago. They've seen each other almost daily since. "Today" House asked if she thinks the two of them should move in together and he announced to the hospital that they have slept together. He then had a complete breakdown in her office resulting in her bringing him to Wilson so that Wilson could get him admitted in a psychiatric hospital. And you think Cuddy assumed he was referring to one night, more than half a decade ago? Hmmm . . . most people recall people they've had sex with. And since Cuddy has been pining for House all these years, I'm pretty she'd remember their sexing, which may be why she's been pining for him all these years. The point is House and Cuddy had sex. From Cuddy's perspective, what House was revealing was not when they had sex but that they had sex. House was telling the truth which is why Cuddy was pissed off not that House was lying because he wasn't. She was angry because he revealed the sexing. Didn't House say that the sex had happened "last night"? The point I was making is about Cuddy's reaction to House's reveal about the delusional sex "last night". Cuddy thought House was revealing their one night stand (Top Secret). That's why Cuddy didn't deny it because they had had sex in the past.

Finney- 05-18-2009

I don't think anyone here has posted these photos from the finale, which have photographer's marks on them but are still fun to see. There are a bunch of pictures of scenes from the wedding that didn't make it into the episode. They made them go through the whole bit - the rice throwing, cutting the wedding cake, etc. I still think that had to be weird for them. There are also a few nice pics with a different view of that last scene with House and Wilson. Wish I could get some unmarked versions of these. Has anyone seen these pics elsewhere? http://community.livejournal.com/house_spoiler/76019.html#cutid1 That final scene has to be one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen on film. Ever.

Taiga- 05-19-2009

I think you're right and I was misremembering. House didn't announce when he slept with Cuddy, just that he had. It just hit me: Wilson has House's wallet. I hope he orders pizza for the entire oncology department on House's credit card!

sugarcoated- 05-22-2009

Well, the only thing this episode confirmed to me is that House is in love with his pills. The fact that he created this fantasy in order to be able to continue his addiction is very disturbing. He knew he would be forced to stop the Vicodin because of the hallucinations and he wouldn't be the great diagnostician anymore. On the other hand, he would be in pain without the pills and again wouldn't be able to practice medicine. So, in his fantasy, he detoxed, was in a good mood, no pain, no hallucinations and he still had his brilliant mind. He wanted to think this was all Cuddy's doing, but in reality it was the pills once more. Horrific! I've never seen drug addiction being portrayed so realistically on TV. And I guess Tritter was right all along. The only thing a drug-addict loves is his next fix! Very sad! Poor Cuddy! She wanted to involve him in her life by inviting him at the baby naming ceremony (because he's a part of her life all these years) and he insulted her and her kid so viciously. That's why Huddy can never be. He sees the baby as the enemy, taking away Cuddy's affection from him. He truly is a 5-year-old, craving for attention. I guess I should have known it was a delusion ever since Cuddy said she's been interested in him for 20 years. That was purely House's narcissism talking. On a positive note, I liked the wedding. Chase, a man in love, willing to compromise and make sacrifices for Cameron. Something House will never be capable of because the only person he loves is himself. Tragic! :cry:

jim- 05-22-2009

Well, the only thing this episode confirmed to me is that House is in love with his pills. So, in his fantasy, he detoxed, was in a good mood, no pain, no hallucinations and he still had his brilliant mind. He wanted to think this was all Cuddy's doing, but in reality it was the pills once more. Horrific! sugarcoated, Your interpretation is so grimly bleak that I can't help but appreciate it. :-) Especially when the author herself, DE, glories in the "MF" aspect of it all. There did seem to be the effort toward Horror! and Macabre Nightmare! lightly laced through the last 3 episodes. But for House it was deadly serious. He erected the best shield he could muster to protect himself from his addiction and that was his counter-desire for Cuddy. But just like the ballet dancers, he wasn't strong enough and neither was his desire for Cuddy. Sometime during the detox night he gave up and started taking pills again. I think he did partially detox in reality and we saw his body's reaction to this as he shook on the couch. I guess I should have known it was a delusion ever since Cuddy said she's been interested in him for 20 years. That was purely House's narcissism talking. In my own personal canon of House MD (the story that makes sense to me), both House and Cuddy have had a soft place in their heart for one another since their first encounters at university. In real life, it's a common occurrence to always cherish the deep connections one makes when one first starts out on the journey through adulthood after leaving one's family behind. Usually one moves on through new stages of starting a family and/or becoming involved in the community but House and Cuddy seem to live more isolated lives. I think their lifestyles have allowed them to remain vibrantly connected whenever they've chanced to meet since their first encounters and certainly since House became employed at PPTH. But the big question now is the horror to be found behind the walls of the mental hospital!