House wasn't so passive when Cuddy gave him the methadone or your job ultimatum in the bathroom. Methadone isn't mind altering, it doesn't give you a high ... the difference in House's behavior was simply lack of pain.
I think House is fundamentally nice as a person, under the pain and the bitterness. What he basically said in very simplistic terms was I like my pain because it gives me an edge,a nice excuse to act out and get away with it. I think Cuddy was right, he doesn't like change ... He is used to being the eccentric people tolerate instead of a normal flawed person that will sometimes accommodate other people's wishes. I think he views his in pain life as simpler, I do what I want when I want and how I want price for that is pain.Besides he has done procedures he thought were useless countless times accommodating Cuddy or his fellows, it wasn't the first time and it certainly wasn't proof his mind was not working right.
Cutie Honey- 02-26-2009
Yesss! I couldn't agree more, reckless. I said a similar thing a few pages back. I don't think the methadone affected House's mind or medical judgement at all. His "happy" demenour seemed to stem off the simple fact that he was feeling absolutely no pain after years of chronic pain.
Stacey might have said that House was "pretty much the same" even before the infarction, but no doubt his pain exacerbated his not-so-charming personality over the years. And heck, his sudden happiness wasn't that different than his usual personality... He was just a little more accomodating. And there's still the chance that he would have done the kid's MRI anyway, with enough prodding from the parents or his team.
Maybe if House had made an obvious medical mistake then I could understand his reasoning for believaing his mind wasn't quite up to scratch, but the reason for the kid's illness was such a fluke. I agree with Cuddy that he just doesn't like change - He screwed up a case completely by chance, and blamed it on the only change in his life. I wouldn't say that's a bad thing though... I thought that showed a great 'human' side to House that we haven't seen for a while... Despite the harsh outside, he's very insecure on the inside. He's so afraid of losing his mind and his genius that he'll immediately stop taking a drug that completely rids him of pain- no questions asked. Because without his mind, I don't think House thinks he's worth anything to anyone.
Namaste- 02-26-2009
I think House is fundamentally nice as a person, under the pain and the bitterness.
I highly disagree that House is "fundamentally nice." I think he has elements of himself that are human and empathetic, that he's got an ability to turn off the sarcasm but simply doesn't want to. I certainly don't buy into the "heart of gold" under a rough exterior. I think he's a guy who forces you to take the good with the bad, and he doesn't give a crap about hiding what's bad about him. As he told Cuddy, this is the "only me" you get.
Besides, House himself has said he's been pissing people off since he was three, and I believe him.
Chipmunk_love- 02-26-2009
Methadone isn't mind altering, it doesn't give you a high ... the difference in House's behavior was simply lack of pain.
I'm no physician, but it's my understanding that all drugs are mind-altering. In fact, that's the point -- the methadone was dulling the pain receptors in House's mind. House couldn't be sure that it wasn't screwing with other parts of his brain. Yes, most likely he was just happy because of the lack of pain, but how did he know? And how long would it take for that euphoria to wear off? And how many cases would he screw up before that euphoria wore off?
The one thing that House takes the most pride in is his mental ability, and I don't blame him for not wanting to take any chances with it.
reckless- 02-26-2009
Perhaps nice was the wrong word, fundamentally decent might be a better way to put it .... in any case I m not suggesting for a second there's mother teresa hiding under his misanthropic exterior. But I do feel that human contact and generally letting people in scares House far more than pain, and he prefers to keep his barrier up than changing and going down roads that ended up with him getting (physically and possibly emotionally) scarred.
I 'd explain more but I feel I m borderline off topic for the thread :)
ETA
I'm no physician, but it's my understanding that all drugs are mind-altering. In fact, that's the point -- the methadone was dulling the pain receptors in House's mind.
Technically no, methadone is not mind altering, drugs that are designed to produce euphoria or distort perception are classified as mind altering. And being in pain isn't the natural human state, if the drug caused pain then yes you could classify it as mild altering but since it returns him to the normal equilibrium you can't.
Medically House wasn't euphoric ... a simple way to explain it is to imagine I dunno having a really lousy toothache. You 're irritable and unwilling to deal with anything. You go to the dentist he/she fixes the tooth you return to normal. Just because you barked at your gf while you were in pain doesnt mean the dentist altered your mind by fixing the tooth cause you then went back and apologized. :)
jonne- 02-26-2009
But I do feel that human contact and generally letting people in scares House far more than pain, and he prefers to keep his barrier up than changing and going down roads that ended up with him getting (physically and possibly emotionally) scarred.
While I think this is partly true, the show has told us a few times now that House does search for ways to relieve the pain, so I don't think he wants the pain itself.
travin1- 02-26-2009
I 'd explain more but I feel I m borderline off topic for the thread :)
ETA
I'm no physician, but it's my understanding that all drugs are mind-altering. In fact, that's the point -- the methadone was dulling the pain receptors in House's mind.
Technically no, methadone is not mind altering, drugs that are designed to produce euphoria or distort perception are classified as mind altering. And being in pain isn't the natural human state, if the drug caused pain then yes you could classify it as mild altering but since it returns him to the normal equilibrium you can't.
Medically House wasn't euphoric ... a simple way to explain it is to imagine I dunno having a really lousy toothache. You 're irritable and unwilling to deal with anything. You go to the dentist he/she fixes the tooth you return to normal. Just because you barked at your gf while you were in pain doesnt mean the dentist altered your mind by fixing the tooth cause you then went back and apologized. :)
Not mind-altering? Methedone only makes your brain forget to breathe. Guess it depends on what you consider mind-altering. It causes the synapses in your brain to misfire.
reckless- 02-26-2009
Not mind-altering? Methedone only makes your brain forget to breathe. Guess it depends on what you consider mind-altering. It causes the synapses in your brain to misfire.
That would be a narcotic you re describing, which methadone is. Narcotic != mind altering.
Anyways I m not sure what your point is ... are you saying House was High on methadone? Methadone is the exact opposite, it blocks your system from getting an opiate high.
Namaste- 02-26-2009
Not mind-altering? Methedone only makes your brain forget to breathe. Guess it depends on what you consider mind-altering. It causes the synapses in your brain to misfire.
That would be a narcotic you re describing, which methadone is. Narcotic != mind altering.
Anyways I m not sure what your point is ... are you saying House was High on methadone? Methadone is the exact opposite, it blocks your system from getting an opiate high.
I think there's a confusion in semantics as to "mind altering." A drug that alters the way your nerves work, that supresses the autonomic nerve functions of heart beat or that you that stop breathing -- certainly alters your mind. It affects the way your brain works. Something that affect your mood is mind altering.
Getting high from a drug is just one side effect of a drug, it is far from the only aspect of the phrase "mind altering."
Triteness- 02-26-2009
I think House is fundamentally nice as a person, under the pain and the bitterness.
I highly disagree that House is "fundamentally nice." I think he has elements of himself that are human and empathetic, that he's got an ability to turn off the sarcasm but simply doesn't want to. I certainly don't buy into the "heart of gold" under a rough exterior. I think he's a guy who forces you to take the good with the bad, and he doesn't give a crap about hiding what's bad about him. As he told Cuddy, this is the "only me" you get.
Besides, House himself has said he's been pissing people off since he was three, and I believe him.
I actually believe House to be fundamentally nice. However, he's so disppointed in mankind that he turned into a misanthropic sardonic bastard. And that's why I don't really agree that he can turn off his sarcasm - it's a mechanism to protect himself and that he considers right. We've seen he try in on some clinic patients, with Tritter and with other doctors, when scavenging for Vicodin.
Boffle- 02-26-2009
I think House was incredibly brave to make the choice he did. On the other hand, there was no other choice that would be true to his character. He wasn't dulled to the point of being unable to make a decision, but body chemistry is a delicate thing and the effects of drugs on different body chemistry do vary from person to person.
He is a hyper-obeservant and sensitive guy who foresees how things are going to work out. Here he saw how the drug affected his willingness to pursue his own convictions in the face of opposition. He was less willing to stand fast, more compliant, more passive, not completely so, but more than his usual MO, and he saw that the choice was perhaps to become a lesser doctor, but also a more acceptable and less lonely and miserable man, but the trade-off was too high.
I think he clearly does not want to be in pain, does not think he needs to be in pain to put up or take down barriers, or do his job, since, as jonne said he has been searching for ways to relieve the pain. He wants to be pain-free, but he doesn't want to lose his core self which is complex, has elements of decency as well as a fierce rage against stupidity, and then there's just plain cussedness.
He's not a simplistic character, so a simplistic explanation of who he is or what his motivations are won't fit the evidence. He has tried and failed at this so many times, so frustrating to face a life of pain, and even when he is so close to getting what he wants, a relationship, a pain-free life, he sees that it just isn't going to work because he can't give up what makes him himself, whatever complicated mix that is, anymore than he could give up his leg.
travin1- 02-26-2009
Yes, Namaste is right. It's semantics.
Triteness...we have a difference of opinion. I don't see House as fundamentally nice. I see him as human. He's got a sensitive side, we've all seen it. I don't think he's fundamentally anything...nice, mean or otherwise. I see him more as a complicated character.
Boffle: word to your whole post :)
to21be- 02-26-2009
What he basically said in very simplistic terms was I like my pain because it gives me an edge,a nice excuse to act out and get away with it.
House has never needed an excuse to act out and get away with it (i.e. he was pain-free in Meaning and didn't have a problem putting a lighter under sailor lady's foot). I firmly believe that that is part of his personality independent of whether or not he's in pain.
What I think the methadone did to him was make him less demanding of himself, not push for answers constantly, because he could really relax and just 'be' and let his mind slow down to normal instead of overdrive. I see how that can be unacceptable (even scary) for House.
What that means for the future, we'll see. I think he will keep looking for alternatives.
I found it brave to go this route from a story telling point of view. TPTB could just give us repeated failed attempts at alternative pain management every now and then, and we'd always know that nothing will work, at least till we get to the end of the series (because House without chronic pain would be a different show).
Instead they gave us a shocker. He did find something that worked, but he decides it's not worth it for him to lose what he has now. I was spoiled and didn't see it coming that he would suddenly walk and say he's feeling no pain at all (let's talk about missing muscle another time :wink: ). I liked that a lot.
I also don't think they can completely get around re-visiting this fact, if House ever gets into a really bad pain phase again.
angelcat2865- 02-26-2009
It wasn't that being pain-free robbed him of his genius. It was the meds that did that. The methadone actually seemed to make him passive rather than happy, so it clearly changed how he operates. Like with the anti-depressants making him hazy, making him think differently, blunting his edge, the methadone affected his thinking as well as making him pain-free. If he found a treatment that made him pain-free and didn't blunt his thinking, that might work for him. But in this case, it was too high a price for a man who values himself above all as a healer and who feels that his worth is in his ability to use his intelligence, his gift for observation, his deductive abilities and his massive medical knowledge to find solutions to problems that willl save lives.
Well said Boffle. I think you hit it right on the head. He was being too passive. Kutner even pointed that out during the DDX, when he called House out on not reacting to the fact they where coming up with diagnosis that had nothing to do with the patient being a "shemale".
60 plus- 02-26-2009
If he found a treatment that made him pain-free and didn't blunt his thinking, that might work for him.
That's what he always says about Vicodin. Even though it doesn't completely eliminate the pain, he says, "It lets me do my job."