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fffaw- 09-17-2008

And 13's issues--13 the feminazi, apparently I'm no 13 fan, don't get me wrong, and she was a bit of an elitist and tried to project what she wanted onto the POTW, but her actions last night could hardly be called "feminazi"

jair- 09-17-2008

And 13's issues--13 the feminazi, apparently--had precious little to do with House. I would say her issues had a whole lot to do with House and the theme of the ep as a whole. The theme was going on after a loss and Wilson, House and 13 are each at a different place in that process. 13 has processed her loss of a future enough to have come up with a coping strategy: make the most of the rest of her life so she leaves behind a legacy of some kind, and she's so raw she's projecting her issues on the case. Wilson is in the process of defining his strategy, which is he will cope with the loss of Amber by deliberately inducing the loss of House, and he's so raw he's projecting his pain about Amber onto his relationship with House, repressing both the good parts of the relationship and his own mistakes and boundary crossing as he focuses only on what he's given to House. He projects his fears onto the case as well, as he initially suspects Foreman is only consulting him as a way to persuade him to stay. And House spends the episode fearing that he will lose Wilson whatever he does and he's so scared he projects his issues onto the case, for once in his life thinking of a puzzle in emotional terms: if he gives it up for Wilson, Wilson will be able to read his emotions and he won't have to risk getting really vulnerable by verbalising what he's feeling. Each of three is at some stage of dealing with a terrible loss and in each case, they interpret what's going on around them in terms of that loss.

bailey- 09-17-2008

And 13's issues--13 the feminazi, apparently I'm no 13 fan, don't get me wrong, and she was a bit of an elitist and tried to project what she wanted onto the POTW, but her actions last night could hardly be called "feminazi" While I don't know anyone who actually fits the Rush Limbaugh definition of the term, it was 13's immediate insistence that the POTW's job couldn't possibly have anything to do with her illness, her assumption that the POTW couldn't make the decision about her (medically dangerous) fetus and, based on zero knowledge whatsoever, the impassioned plea for the POTW to do something meaningful with her career path. 13 was so out of the gates with the feminist rallying cry that she was completely blinded to what was going on.

fffaw- 09-17-2008

Feminazi is a really ugly term. And just because 13 went with a rather misguided (and annoying) approach, I don't think she did anything that even vaguely merited that sort of characterization.

Ariadne- 09-17-2008

Each of three is at some stage of dealing with a terrible loss and in each case, they interpret what's going on around them in terms of that loss. Maybe they could borrow the shrink from Bones for a while because projecting your issues on to your patients and having it affect your practise and medical decisions is pretty bad medicine. Of the three, Wilson was the only one smart enough or ethical enough to know he had to get out.

TrooperCam- 09-17-2008

The more I think about this episode the more I am reminded of the scene between Cuddy and Wilson in Finding Judas. After House tells Cuddy it was a good thing she failed to be a mom Cuddy told Wilson that it was good(I'm going strictly off memory here so forgive the paraphrasing) that House never really unleashes his mean side because he knows exactly what to say to hurt someone. That's what Wilson did to House- he knew exactly what House's "weak spot" was and he went for the kill. That's cold

March301- 09-17-2008

The more I think about last night's episode, the more the ending gives me goosebumps. Ever since Season One and the Vogler arc, we've been beat over the head with the idea that House does not like to confront things he does not like. Vogler got on his nerves, put Cuddy and Wilson in danger of losing their jobs, and House very adamantly did nothing. Same with Tritter. Tritter was causing mayhem everywhere, and House didn't really do anything about that, either. Last night, when House said "Can I help?" was very interesting. Because when House doesn't like what's going on, he doesn't want to be involved. He doesn't like the fact that Wilson is leaving, so usually House's response is to shut down and do nothing about it, even when everyone in the hospital is pleading for him to do something. Last night, I believe, is the first time in the history of the show where he's offered to do something, and Wilson shuts him out. Someone on LJ mentioned "Can I help?" may have been too little, too late, which is what I thought of when I first watched the show, but now I realize how monumental of a suggestion that is for House. Which is what makes the exchange more tragic; he finally is proactive and then gets shut out.

Quadrivium- 09-17-2008

After some obsessive rewatching, I noticed something really important about this episode - RSL was smoking hot in it! The scene in Cuddy's office especially; that shirt and those pants were clingy in all the right places. YUM. :wub:

DOB1234- 09-17-2008

As for the screentime of everyone but House, I say only the following: Writers, this is NOT an ensemble show. It's not "House and Company," or "House and Friends" or even "The Neighborhood." It's House. Providing some background on other characters is fine as long as it's minimal. Right now there are TOO MANY "extras" and trying to give them all air time and plots of their own is schizophrenic, not to mention distracting." I think you've nailed what was bothering me about this episode. It's happened to me before with some eps of House. It just seemed that the action jumped around a lot as they tried to get everyone in on the action. I couldn't seem to get into the flow of the story. Just as I'd get into one conversation, scene, or plot action, the show would cut to something else, and someone else. It all just felt disjointed to me and I couldn't get into the show as much as usual.

jair- 09-17-2008

Maybe they could borrow the shrink from Bones for a while because projecting your issues on to your patients and having it affect your practise and medical decisions is pretty bad medicine. Of the three, Wilson was the only one smart enough or ethical enough to know he had to get out. Of course it's not something to aim for, but has anyone at PPTH not been guilty at one time or another? Cameron's grief issues impacted her handling of CLW's case and the previous one where Wilson suggested she might be in the wrong position, and she eventually processed the grief enough to move on. Foreman had his street people phobia and Chase the Kayla disaster. Projecting your issues on your environment is a believable human behaviour and a dramatic staple--even on Bones. :D

Bedawyn- 09-17-2008

I would have been upset about the two-month lapse if I hadn't been spoiled for it; I'm glad I had time in advance to get used to the idea. So now I'm just glad they left House's immediate recovery to the fanfic writers. I didn't get the impression that Wilson had only just decided to leave, only that he hadn't said anything about it previously (probably because it would have given people more time to try to talk him out of it). I was impressed with the implication (from the time lapse, Cuddy's demands that he talk to Wilson, and House's assertion that he was trying not to be an ass) that House had been trying to give Wilson the space he wanted without fussing. But I also wonder, given their cross-communication, if that attempt didn't give Wilson more reason to think House just didn't care. I suspect the overwhelming amount of screentime given to Hadley and the others was, yes, partly a result of the same studio-adoration for a supporting actor that has given us too much Foreman in the past, but also a deliberate attempt to not overdo the H/W melodrama, especially if they're continuing the melodrama in future eps. But they overshot the mark -- they should have been able to keep House un-emo without making even those of us who like Hadley want to strangle her. You can like someone without necessarily wanting them to date someone you think you have a priority claim on. I do think that House liked her before firing her, and that afterwards his possessiveness towards Wilson was in conflict with his like for her but didn't completely obscure it. When they're talking about the DDX after she's refused to leave Wilson, I definitely saw a bit of approval there. And during the bus accident itself -- not afterwards with the DBS, but on the bus itself, when Amber was there and Wilson wasn't and the shock and trauma wouldn't have left much room in his head for anything but the immediate crisis -- I don't believe it was Wilson he was thinking of. it was 13's immediate insistence that the POTW's job couldn't possibly have anything to do with her illness, her assumption that the POTW couldn't make the decision about her (medically dangerous) fetus It was more than that even -- it was her accusation that the guys were being sexist by considering her career and lifestyle when there's no reason to believe they wouldn't have done the same if the patient had been a man with a similar high-pressure job. And I didn't see her assuming the PoTW couldn't make a decision, I saw her assuming she knew what the PoTW's decision would be, because obviously a 37-year-old single career woman must be a Cuddy-type who secretly wants a baby. Not so much a feminist (or fake-feminist) assumption, but rather projecting her own issues again.

jair- 09-17-2008

And I didn't see her assuming the PoTW couldn't make a decision, I saw her assuming she knew what the PoTW's decision would be, because obviously a 37-year-old single career woman must be a Cuddy-type who secretly wants a baby. Not so much a feminist (or fake-feminist) assumption, but rather projecting her own issues again. I'd say she was projecting her own issues again, but the issue was since she herself is upset at the thought that children are now very unlikely for her, either because the disease may progress before she finds the right guy or even likelier because she'll make the decision not to pass on the HC gene, this woman will be upset at having her late maternal age pregnancy terminated. I don't think it's something she felt on feminist lines at all, unless the desire to have children is anti-feminist. Terminating a pregnancy IS a difficult decision for many women and as we've already seen on House, terminating a pregnancy when the odds are long on getting pregnant has the potential to be especially difficult. 13 does jump the gun making her assumption, but it wasn't a weird or out there or anti-feminist assumption.

March301- 09-18-2008

Guys, I think one of the reasons why Hadley had so much screentime is because the title of the episode was "Death Changes Everything." Who do we know who is gonna die? Hadley. So they wanted to put emphasis on her and how she's coping and how it's changing her. I don't think the show is becoming Hadley, M.D. I just think it was part of the lessons the show was trying to convey--the effects of someone who has died, the effects of what might happen regarding someone who could die, and the effects of learning that you're going to die. I won't like the show if OW becomes the star of the show, but it made sense this time around.

aithlyn- 09-18-2008

Guys, I think one of the reasons why Hadley had so much screentime is because the title of the episode was "Death Changes Everything." Who do we know who is gonna die? Hadley. So they wanted to put emphasis on her and how she's coping and how it's changing her. We know Hadley is positive for Huntington's. That's what we know. She could be positive for Huntington's and still get hit by a bus on the way to work tomorrow, same as everyone else in the cast. Her diagnosis means her lifespan is at best cut in half, but it could be even shorter and it could have nothing to do with her genes. Different characters have had episodes that focused on parts of their background or personal storylines that seemed to take up a lot of screentime, but it never irked me before like it did in this episode. We've met Foreman's parents, Chase's father, House's parents... we've had Foreman as a patient and Wilson sleeping with one and we've even spent time outside the clinic with clinic patients (or stalkers) and it has never felt as OMGINYOURFACE as it did this time. I dunno. (I realize I am generalizing in this next paragraph.) TPTB want us to really like 13 the way they originally wanted us to really hate Amber. Boy, did that get twisted up, eh? The Bitch dies and we're all sobbing. 13 gets her diagnosis, and we're all HURRYUPANDDIE KTHXBYE. (And I say that with all the love in the world. *wink*)

NekoCat- 09-18-2008

TPTB want us to really like 13 the way they originally wanted us to really hate Amber. They wanted us to hate Amber? Damn, I missed that memo. :shock: