4.16 Wilson's Heart

This could alter and my original thought could come to pass but I think what may instead happen is that House might start to look at what responsibility he does have, not in Amber's death where it was all bad luck and circumstances, but in his life and the lives of the people around him. He says he doesn’t want to be miserable, he doesn’t want to be in pain, he doesn’t want Wilson to hate him. What is House’s part in his misery, his pain and whatever feelings Wilson will have now towards him and what if anything is House willing to try and do to change that. House has said that people can change they just don't. Maybe now we’ll see what House can do for himself and the people around him starting with Wilson and hopefully it won't have to include any risky surgical procedures. That's a good theory Filex1410, but my fear is that House will go the opposite direction and withdraw even further into himself seeing no hope. :(

I'd have been happy ending the series with House and Wilson walking down the hallway together, bumping shoulders. But that's because I had an idea of what they actually felt for each other, which didn't have to openly acknowledged to feel like they didn't fall under normal guy friend boundaries. Now, that same scene would be a fitting bookend in some ways, but I'd feel very sad because I'd know that House is still alone in terms of a real relationship. So is Wilson. It would not feel slashy. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree because I still see their relationship the way I've always seen it except now I see House loving Wilson more than I thought he did. But as I've said multiple times, I never thought that Wilson considered House to be enough for him to be completely satisfied in his life. But I still never thought they fell under the typical guy friend boundaries. But what about the finale makes you think House and Wilson will go back to that relationship where House is possessive of Wilson, interfering in his relationships and Wilson priorises House, especially if he's avoiding issues in his own relationship? Why would Wilson make an ability to get House a priority, now that he knows what he wants in a relationship? A) I don't see Wilson going after another relationship for a very long time. B) Wilson's issues with relationships go further than just House, he always ran to House when things went south and House has a history of butting in but it's not only about House. C) You seem to be assuming that Wilson's going to just cut House out of his life if he ever gets another relationship and I don't see that. You make a good point about House, perhaps out of guilt he will truly back off Wilson's future relationships (which again, I feel are very far down the line.) Well . . . yeah. That seems out of character to you? I didn't say it was OOC, I'm one of the ones who thought she was perfectly IC during the sexcapades, I just thought that they threw it together storywise really quickly.

C) You seem to be assuming that Wilson's going to just cut House out of his life if he ever gets another relationship and I don't see that. You make a good point about House, perhaps out of guilt he will truly back off Wilson's future relationships (which again, I feel are very far down the line.) No, not cut out--just have very firm boundaries that Wilson actually sets, unlike this time, and that House most definitely respects. I think House learned he has nothing to base feeling possessive about Wilson on. A friendship with firm boundaries, yes.

What was House supposed to have been basing his possessive feelings on before? Isn't Wilson being his best friend and maybe House still considers his only friend (although he may start to feel closer to Cuddy) enough for him to feel possessive? Although he might not act on that possessiveness if Wilson is in another relationship.

No, not cut out--just have very firm boundaries that Wilson actually sets, unlike this time, and that House most definitely respects. Ah, I see and I agree. I think Wilson will set very clear boundaries next time and House will definately respect them even if he doesn't like it. I don't think he'll ever be able to let go feeling possessive of Wilson but I think he'll be able to push that aside next time after what happened here with Amber. This experience is never going to completely leave them even if they do get passed it, which I believe they will. But again, that's all hypothetical for me because Wilson having another relationship that means as much to him as we're expected to believe (and I personally do) that Amber did rings false to me, at least for a long time.

I don't seem to be expressing myself well, so I'm just going to back out after this one final attempt. While I believe Wilson's decision will have an impact on their friendship, I think it's too harsh to attempt to place that decision within the aspects of a cool, reasoned and logical approach. He wasn't fully thinking about every aspect of what he was asking. He knew there was a risk to House (but we don't know if that risk of fatality was 10 percent or 90 percent -- just a risk), but there was also a high risk that Amber would die if they didn't act appropriately. So he made a decision which was driven more by heightened emotional aspects that calm reasoned thoughts. House's: "You want me to risk my life for Amber's" was to confirm Wilson's decision, but it was, again, not something made in the light of day in which there was a lot of time to think it all out, but rather in a very dark and emotionally stormy situation. I simply find the issue far too emotionally difficult and complex to say outright: Wilson is a bad guy for even thinking to ask.

I simply find the issue far too emotionally difficult and complex to say outright: Wilson is a bad guy for even thinking to ask. I feel exactly the same way and I think you're expressing yourself very well.

He wasn't fully thinking about every aspect of what he was asking. He knew there was a risk to House (but we don't know if that risk of fatality was 10 percent or 90 percent -- just a risk), but there was also a high risk that Amber would die if they didn't act appropriately. So he made a decision which was driven more by heightened emotional aspects that calm reasoned thoughts. House's: "You want me to risk my life for Amber's" was to confirm Wilson's decision, but it was, again, not something made in the light of day in which there was a lot of time to think it all out, but rather in a very dark and emotionally stormy situation. I simply find the issue far too emotionally difficult and complex to say outright: Wilson is a bad guy for even thinking to ask. I'll back out now, too, but I don't think anyone has been arguing that Wilson is a bad guy. Boffle absolutely didn't and nor did I. However, I do think he knew the decision he was making--does that make him a bad guy in your eyes? The risk was presented as much higher than 10%--House had a huge skull fracture down to his ear that had already bled and because of which Wilson didn't even want him to undergo hypnosis and Cuddy didn't want him to think about the case. And that's without the DBS. When Kutner suggests the alzheimer's drug, Taub asks why he doesn't just suggest cyanide, and that's because it activates his brain to dangerously high levels. The DBS was very dangerous to House in his condition. Wilson knew that. He made the decision anyway. If that makes him a bad guy, he's a bad guy. I don't think it does, though I do think he needs to eventually deal with what House did on some terms other than blame, assuming he blames House. I do think it changes House's perception of their relationship, and that is what is so emotionally difficult and complex about their healing process. What was House supposed to have been basing his possessive feelings on before? Isn't Wilson being his best friend and maybe House still considers his only friend (although he may start to feel closer to Cuddy) enough for him to feel possessive? Although he might not act on that possessiveness if Wilson is in another relationship. That is the question. We know he felt possessive enough to think he should interfere in Wilson's relationships on a regular basis, and that Wilson would let him, which Wilson did. I don't expect to see him just pick up that same possessiveness even once they bring the friendship back to wherever it gets.

If that makes him a bad guy, he's a bad guy. I don't think it does, though I do think he needs to eventually deal with what House did on some terms other than blame, assuming he blames House. I do think it changes House's perception of their relationship, and that is what is so emotionally difficult and complex about their healing process. I think the fact we're having friendly debate about this in the first place tells you there's no easy answers. Yeah, Wilson knew the risks. But also, House was the man who decided to be an obstinate drunk and get on the bus in the first place. He's also the man who volunteered to do the operation in the first place, but actually (quelle suprise) took Cuddy's advice and didn't do it because she told him it'd be too dangerous. I'm not saying either men are to blame, because I think there are too many shades of gray here. So he made a decision which was driven more by heightened emotional aspects that calm reasoned thoughts. House's: "You want me to risk my life for Amber's" was to confirm Wilson's decision, but it was, again, not something made in the light of day in which there was a lot of time to think it all out, but rather in a very dark and emotionally stormy situation. I agree with you, exactly. And as I said before, I can't help but imagine that once House initially made the suggestion and Cuddy vetoed it, the idea stuck inside Wilson's brain as his last hope. When people grieve, they're not going to necessarily think through every action perfectly. I don't think we can say that makes Wilson a bad person, just human. I do expect to see some emotional fall out. It'll be interesting to see how the character dynamics change. I can't imagine House (although he's the one who has the right to) will hold a grudge against Wilson, but I can imagine Cameron, or maybe even Cuddy, defending House in that way. And, unless they pick up the show months ahead of these episodes, I think Wilson's going to have a hard time even looking at House, as we saw earlier in House's hospital room. Gosh, I don't even know if it's Amber's death that's hurting my heart anymore, it's Wilson and House! :(

I can't imagine House (although he's the one who has the right to) will hold a grudge against Wilson I agree, I think House thinks so little of himself that, while I'm sure it stings to have had Wilson ask, he won't hold it against him and he'll be the one feeling guilty and like he deserves to have Wilson hate him. It's sad, the whole thing is sad. but I can imagine Cameron, or maybe even Cuddy, defending House in that way. That's what I'm afraid of. I'm hoping not Cuddy because she didn't even mention House in Wilson's office, she was just offering comfort, and even if she didn't approve the DBS, she had to have known about it by that time. Besides, if not House, she's the only one Wilson can talk to and assuming House and Wilson aren't speaking for a while, if he's not talking to Cuddy either, he won't really have a purpose. I'm hoping that Cameron's emotionally distanced herself enough from House that she won't feel the need to tear into Wilson as she apparently thought was her place to do so in MLC.

I can't see anyone tearing into Wilson. He's just lost the love of his life. But I can't see him getting past this easily or quickly. Actually, I can't imagine he'll be able to face going back to PPTH anytime soon. I expect him to be gone, at least for a while. Whether they have that happen offscreen during the summer or whether they come back and he's still gone, I don't know, but he needs to process all this: healing from something this difficult takes time and sometimes distance as well.

To me, putting some of the blame on House because he got drunk and called for a ride is a lot colder. Yes, House asks a lot of Wilson, but calling for a sober ride from someone you love and need to talk to at that moment is pretty reasonable. Yeah, this is the thing people are saying that I just really don't get. Isn't calling for a ride when you're drunk and companionship when you're lonely exactly what friends are supposed to be for? Their friendship is so deep and loving that Wilson can ask him to risk his life for Amber's, but House is wrong to ask for a ride and some reassurance because it might be an inconvenience? It seems that people are saying House needs to be less of a burden to Wilson and other people, because of the way his self-destructiveness "drags" other people into his life. I can see House believing this after Amber's death, but I can't see it being a healthy way for him to react. If anything, he needs to learn to rely on and trust other people more, not less. This is the guy who apologized to Cate for getting personally involved with her case; he already thinks his only worth to other people is what he can do for them medically. Even if he tried to redefine himself to be more helpful and useful and socially acceptable in other ways, I don't see how that could be a good thing if he's simultaneously trying to hide and repress his own needs and feelings even more so that he doesn't inconvenience or burden anyone, doesn't let his existence mar their lives. What if there HAD been some treatment that could have saved Amber? Then, if they had not done the DBS, Amber would have died. Maybe, and maybe not. They would have figured out the RMSF diagnosis was wrong when the treatment didn't work, and we weren't given a timeline on how quickly Amber was dying. The PrinceGen doc seemed to think she was stable except for her heart, and the implication was that she could have been kept on bypass for quite a while. The "if we don't do the DBS, Amber's going to die" theory only works if we assume that the team were going to give her the treatment for the RMSF, see it fail, then shrug, go "oh well", and just twiddle their thumbs until she died. to the fact that any other information about her and himself and the whole night was only going to be accessed thru the DBS Or by going back to Sharrie's, throwing a few twenties on the bar, and letting the bartender know there were issues of amnesia and a dying woman on the table. Bedawyn I think you hit the nail on the head there

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